in the book THE FORGOTTEN GENERATION i have found pge 58 THOMAS KIDNER settler/landowner under occupations at norfolk island feb 1805 pge 60 he was a stone cutter listed under previous occupations of NORFOLK ISLAND[ as recorded 1794 for 83 people] first embarkation people who boarded LADY NELSON 9/11/1807 for the derwent vdl no 15 thomas kidner no16 child[thomas whiting/kidner] page 117 thomas kidner received land in the Queenborough/sandy bay area page 165 under heading sentences expired off the stores residing in his majesty's settlement at norfolk island feb 1805 I have the book if you need photo copy's regards Helen Newman [email protected] --- -- Original Message ----- From: "Meryl Yost" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] NIDNER/BURBITT CD Look-up > Looks like it may possibly be Thomas KIDNER and Elizabeth BURKETT who > married 07 Jan 1822 Hobart (she is listed as Barker). A search on the > Tasmanian Pioneer Index CD lists the birth of their daughter Ann 20 Jul > 1821, District of Hobart, RGD 32 Reg #1226. > Information on this family can be found in: > Schaffer, Irene & McKay, Thelma, "Exiled Three Times Over, Profiles of > Norfolk Islanders exiled in Van Diemen's Land 1807-13", St David's Park > Publishing 1992, pp9-10. > regards, > Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Administrator: AUS-Tasmania mailing list > http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/home/maillist.htm > E-mail: [email protected] > AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Arnold" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:14 AM > Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] NIDNER/BURBITT CD Look-up > > > > Hi List > > > > Could someone please look-up the VDL convict cd for information on > > Thomas NIDNER and Elizabeth BURBITT who were both in VDL by 1821. The > > birth of a daughter was registered at Glenorchy, Hobart, Port Arthur, > > Wesleyan Methodist. I would appreciate any information at all on this > > couple. > > Regards Jeff > > > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian > Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Margaret Thanks for your response to my enquiry and sorry for neglecting to respond earlier - Xmas and all that.. I have no problem with the fact that an ancestor was a convict transported from England to Van Diemen's Land. I do know the transportation information - ship - arrival date etc.. What I am trying to find out is why his wife would have been at Bromborough. They did not come from that area I can only presume she was there to be close to her husband who was on a prison hulk. If so it would have been on the River Mersey or River Dee. I have been unable to establish that this was in fact the case as most references seem to relate to Chatham, Kent for instance. I will take up your suggestion and obtain further background information using the reference you suggest. It may identify the location of the hulk he was on of course. At 06:34 13/12/02 +1100, you wrote: >Hello Alan > >Have you tried the AJCP records at the National Library - Home Office 8 >Criminal. Convict Prisons. This lists by date (from 1824 through 1869) the >prisoners on hulks. Regards Alan Crawford Canberra - Australia

Looks like it may possibly be Thomas KIDNER and Elizabeth BURKETT who married 07 Jan 1822 Hobart (she is listed as Barker). A search on the Tasmanian Pioneer Index CD lists the birth of their daughter Ann 20 Jul 1821, District of Hobart, RGD 32 Reg #1226. Information on this family can be found in: Schaffer, Irene & McKay, Thelma, "Exiled Three Times Over, Profiles of Norfolk Islanders exiled in Van Diemen's Land 1807-13", St David's Park Publishing 1992, pp9-10. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania mailing list http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/home/maillist.htm E-mail: [email protected] AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] NIDNER/BURBITT CD Look-up > Hi List > > Could someone please look-up the VDL convict cd for information on > Thomas NIDNER and Elizabeth BURBITT who were both in VDL by 1821. The > birth of a daughter was registered at Glenorchy, Hobart, Port Arthur, > Wesleyan Methodist. I would appreciate any information at all on this > couple. > Regards Jeff > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 02:29 AM, Wendy wrote: Thank you Wendy for your reply, this probably means they came free into VDL, but may have moved there from the mainland or Norfolk Island. I will continue the search. Regards Jeff > Hi Jeff, > > There are no entries on the VDL Convict CD for either Thomas NIDNER nor > Elizabeth BURBITT. >

Hi List Could someone please look-up the VDL convict cd for information on Thomas NIDNER and Elizabeth BURBITT who were both in VDL by 1821. The birth of a daughter was registered at Glenorchy, Hobart, Port Arthur, Wesleyan Methodist. I would appreciate any information at all on this couple. Regards Jeff

Hi Jeff, There are no entries on the VDL Convict CD for either Thomas NIDNER nor Elizabeth BURBITT. Cheers Wendy Jeff Arnold wrote: > Hi List > > Could someone please look-up the VDL convict cd for information on > Thomas NIDNER and Elizabeth BURBITT who were both in VDL by 1821. The > birth of a daughter was registered at Glenorchy, Hobart, Port Arthur, > Wesleyan Methodist. I would appreciate any information at all on this > couple. > Regards Jeff > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and > Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > -- visit: www.justgen.com for best Genealogy Chat, Links & Support !! See Wendy's Family Tree at: www.geocities.com/wanderer57au

TASMANIA Sawdust, sails and sweat: a history of the River Don settlement,north-westcoast, Tasmania. Gardam, Faye. Contents: Includes biographies of the Archer -Austin - Barker - Brown(e) - Cann - Cole - Cutts - Dally/Daley -Digney -Finlayson - Gibbons - Gibson - Hancock - Hays - Howell - Jones -Keddie -Lapthorne - Lehman - Lodder - Macrow - Madden - Mansfield -Montgomery - Moon - Nickols - Northrop (Nothrop) - Page - Ritchie -Roberts - Shaw - Steward - Templar - Ward - Watt - Webb families.[994.6 DON GAR] Does anyone have access to this book at all ? Bright Blessings Sandie

Forwarding message to the list... Please DO NOT reply to my address but to the author of the message. Sandie List Administrator __________________________________________________ > > > >From: Zorro <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: "[email protected]" > ><[email protected]> > >Subject: Mortimer/Minchin > >Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:37:06 -0700 > > >X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent > >X-Envelope-To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request > >Return-Path: [email protected] > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 22:37:18.0421 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[DC936050:01C2A165] > > > >Hi - Looking for information on Henry William Mortimer who married > >Catherine Minchin about 1822. Have details of Henry's trial in UK but > >would like to know more about his time in Hobart and about his wifes > >family - she I believe was born in Dublin. Any help greatly > >appreciated. Regards Jenny > >

Ian Brand's book "The Convict Probation System VDL 1839-1854 " has information on the Dover Probation station. Irene Schaffer Hobart > Does anyone have any information about Port Esperance (Dover) Probation > Station. My convict, James O'Neill was there in 1845 > > Best wishes Valerie in Auckland > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It is from "The History of Tasmania" by John West first published 1852. Re-issued in 1971 edited and annotated by A.G.L. Shaw. Angus and Robertson -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Arnold [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 1 January 1970 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Counties of VDL Les Thank you for the Oatlands information, my ancestor, Charles Ledgerwood, was assigned to Anstey in 1830. Could you let me know the publication and/or date when this was written. Thanks Jeff On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 08:44 PM, Les Pitt wrote: > Oatlands: > -a considerable town in the parish of Oatlands and county of Monmouth, > 51 > miles from Hobart and 70 from Launceston. It contains an Episcopal (St > Matthews) and Roman catholic church, a Wesleyan chapel, several > schools, a > gaol, police and post offices, a military station, several inns, and > other > large buildings. It has a resident police magistrate, and courts of > request > and quarter sessions are held in the town. The population of the town > and > police district is 1,873 and the number of houses 279. Oatlands is also > an > electoral district for which H.F.Anstey, Esq, is the first member. > > > Sorry Jeff, no reference to Lemon Springs. > > Regards > Les Pitt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Arnold [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2002 3:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Counties of VDL > > > Hi Les > Could you look up Oatlands and Lemon Springs for me please. > Regards Jeff Arnold > On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:55 PM, Les Pitt wrote: > >> Fingal:- a township in the parish of Fingal and south of Cornwall, on >> the > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and > Tasmanian > Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and > Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks very much Sue. That is exactly what I needed. Best Wishes Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Wyatt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: RE: [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Esperance > Hi Valerie, > the following is a summary of info from Ian Brand's book, "The Convict > Probation System 1839-1854". It is from Charles La Trobe's report sent to > UK about 1847. Would be worthwhile to buy own copy as it gives description > of all stations as when visited by La Trobe as well as telling about the > convict system in VDL between 1839 and 1854. > > Dover - Probation Station > few miles from entrance of Port Esperance, about 7 miles below mouth of Huon > River. > Buildings are of temporary and indifferent description. > Sleeping huts intended to sleep 32 men each - much too crowded if filled to > that extent. > Officers quarters good. Two mess rooms tolerable, are of wood, third under > repair - first class room used as chapel and school. Good cook house and > bakehouse with 2 ovens. Good store for meat, one for flour and general > stores, third for bedding and potatoes. > Three yards separated by good paling - areas are sanded - one belonging to > First class prisoners is too close to Superintendents quarters. > 100 separate apartments have commenced - few nearly finished, not many men > at station so work nearly at standstill. > Solitary cells old and built of wood, small and low, 6 additional being > erected. > Hospital detached brick building not ceiled, no cooking place attached so > food prepared in room used by the sick. > 28 acres of land at station and 40 acres at Hope Island near entrance of > Port, all under cultivation and good land. Potatoes good, large ample for > men's rations, 78 tons sent to other stations. > Suggested 200 acres good land mile and half from Dover should be cleared and > cultivated, even though heavily timbered, instead of using poorer land near > station. > Timber is good and variety, shell for lime, good clay for bricks - but no > good stone. Water is good from springs and creek. > Medical Officer from Southport attends station - no road by land so visit by > sea. If station to continue need to appoint a Resident Surgeon. > Prisoners when station visited were only 89 in number, divided into 3 > classes, 18 men on Hope Island under Assistant Superintendent charge. > Similar advantages to Southport - absence of settlers in area. Retain for > present, found to be tolerable and many books. > Considerable number of passholders, probation having expired waiting to > proceed to Hiring Depots and complained of hardship of detention. > Direct line of land communications with Hobart Town is broken by heavy > timbered country and Huon River across which no regular means of transport. > Must forward prisoners by sea when opportunity arises. > > Hope this is what you wanted Valerie. > > Sue Wyatt > [email protected] > > Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com > Please feel free to come and join us. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jandvmartin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 6:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Esperance > > > Does anyone have any information about Port Esperance (Dover) Probation > Station. My convict, James O'Neill was there in 1845 > > Best wishes Valerie in Auckland > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian > Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Valerie, the following is a summary of info from Ian Brand's book, "The Convict Probation System 1839-1854". It is from Charles La Trobe's report sent to UK about 1847. Would be worthwhile to buy own copy as it gives description of all stations as when visited by La Trobe as well as telling about the convict system in VDL between 1839 and 1854. Dover - Probation Station few miles from entrance of Port Esperance, about 7 miles below mouth of Huon River. Buildings are of temporary and indifferent description. Sleeping huts intended to sleep 32 men each - much too crowded if filled to that extent. Officers quarters good. Two mess rooms tolerable, are of wood, third under repair - first class room used as chapel and school. Good cook house and bakehouse with 2 ovens. Good store for meat, one for flour and general stores, third for bedding and potatoes. Three yards separated by good paling - areas are sanded - one belonging to First class prisoners is too close to Superintendents quarters. 100 separate apartments have commenced - few nearly finished, not many men at station so work nearly at standstill. Solitary cells old and built of wood, small and low, 6 additional being erected. Hospital detached brick building not ceiled, no cooking place attached so food prepared in room used by the sick. 28 acres of land at station and 40 acres at Hope Island near entrance of Port, all under cultivation and good land. Potatoes good, large ample for men's rations, 78 tons sent to other stations. Suggested 200 acres good land mile and half from Dover should be cleared and cultivated, even though heavily timbered, instead of using poorer land near station. Timber is good and variety, shell for lime, good clay for bricks - but no good stone. Water is good from springs and creek. Medical Officer from Southport attends station - no road by land so visit by sea. If station to continue need to appoint a Resident Surgeon. Prisoners when station visited were only 89 in number, divided into 3 classes, 18 men on Hope Island under Assistant Superintendent charge. Similar advantages to Southport - absence of settlers in area. Retain for present, found to be tolerable and many books. Considerable number of passholders, probation having expired waiting to proceed to Hiring Depots and complained of hardship of detention. Direct line of land communications with Hobart Town is broken by heavy timbered country and Huon River across which no regular means of transport. Must forward prisoners by sea when opportunity arises. Hope this is what you wanted Valerie. Sue Wyatt [email protected] Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com Please feel free to come and join us. -----Original Message----- From: jandvmartin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 6:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Esperance Does anyone have any information about Port Esperance (Dover) Probation Station. My convict, James O'Neill was there in 1845 Best wishes Valerie in Auckland ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone have any information about Port Esperance (Dover) Probation Station. My convict, James O'Neill was there in 1845 Best wishes Valerie in Auckland

Oatlands: -a considerable town in the parish of Oatlands and county of Monmouth, 51 miles from Hobart and 70 from Launceston. It contains an Episcopal (St Matthews) and Roman catholic church, a Wesleyan chapel, several schools, a gaol, police and post offices, a military station, several inns, and other large buildings. It has a resident police magistrate, and courts of request and quarter sessions are held in the town. The population of the town and police district is 1,873 and the number of houses 279. Oatlands is also an electoral district for which H.F.Anstey, Esq, is the first member. Sorry Jeff, no reference to Lemon Springs. Regards Les Pitt -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Arnold [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2002 3:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Counties of VDL Hi Les Could you look up Oatlands and Lemon Springs for me please. Regards Jeff Arnold On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:55 PM, Les Pitt wrote: > Fingal:- a township in the parish of Fingal and south of Cornwall, on > the ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Les Thank you very much for the information on Fingal. Margaret

Hi Les Could you look up Oatlands and Lemon Springs for me please. Regards Jeff Arnold On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:55 PM, Les Pitt wrote: > Fingal:- a township in the parish of Fingal and south of Cornwall, on > the

While carrying out some family research I found mention of a property in High Street, which intersected Elizabeth Street, North Hobart about 1922. On present day maps I can find no mention of a High Street in this part of Hobart. Can anyone please tell me what the present name of High Street, North Hobart is? I have a faint suspicion it may be the present Burnett Street. Also, is there a website which lists former names of present-day streets where they have been altered? Alan, Lindisfarne, Tas

Fingal:- a township in the parish of Fingal and south of Cornwall, on the southern side of the South Esk. It is 100 miles from Hobart and 70 from Launceston. The road from Campbell Town to the east coast passes through it. On the banks of the Esk in this district are many fine farms, as well as tracts of pasture land. There is a resident police magistrate and a post station at Fingal , and two inns. There are 877 persons in the township and district, and 134 houses. About 15 miles beyond Fingal the road has been carried with immense labour, to a distance of 3 miles round the face of high, rocky, and almost perpendicular hills, called St Mary's pass. On one side the hill towers above the traveller, and on the other he sees a precipice of many hundred feet. Gold has been discovered at a place called Tower Hill between Fingal and Ben Lomond. Sorry no records of number of convicts there. Great Swan Port==Swansea, on the east coast. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Burns [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Counties of VDL Hi Les I would like the description of Fingal, Tasmania and the number of convicts transported there. Regards, Margaret ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Les I would like the description of Fingal, Tasmania and the number of convicts transported there. Regards, Margaret

Pursuant to recent emails regarding the counties of VDL.. >From History of Tasmania..John West 1852, re-issued 1971 Angus and Robertson... " The settled part of the island is divided into 11 counties,- three northern, Devon, Dorset and Cornwall; 4 midland-Westmoreland, Somerset,Glamorgan, and Cumberland; and 4 southern-Kent, Buckingham,Pembroke, and Monmouth; each having an area of 1600 square miles. These areas are divided into hundreds and parishes, the former containing 100 and the latter 25 square miles". I have this book on loan, if anyone wants a brief description of any part of the convict system please ask. Only notable people are mentioned in the book but it has lots of general information on transportation. For instance descriptions of the main towns and what they contained, number of convicts transported.. 1788-1840 26,741 males 4,052 females 1841-1853 24,758 males 8,743 females although the early records were not accurate an estimate has been made that a total of 73,500 which includes those sent to VDL from other places such as Norfolk Island. Great Swan Port also Port of Swans, now Cygnet. Regards to all, Les Pitt