Yes please Anne Malabar arrived 1821 Thanks for the offer, Peter Gibbs, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <annehanson@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] Look ups 1 month only > Hi All, > > I've borrowed a book from my library called 'The Convict Ships 1787 - > 1868' > by Charles Bateson. One of the appendices lists all the convict ships > which > arrived in Van Diemen's Land between 1812 & 1853. Each listing details > amongst other things the name of the master and the surgeon, where it > sailed > from, what route it took and the number of days sailing together with the > date of arrival in Van Diemen's Land. > > Please contact me if you would like a look up. I have the book for a month > only. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > annehanson@hotkey.net.au > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at > http://www.portarthur.org.au/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Peter, I have a copy of the surgeons log for the Malabar that arrived in VDL November 1821. I am yet to create an index of people mentioned, but I could check for your person if interested? Regards Lee-ann The Gardens Family History Bailey and Treloggen Families of St Helens, Tasmania http://www.thegardensfamily.com See my surname interest at: http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9139.htm

Dear Anne, I would appreciate very much if you could look up Thomas Prosser arrived VDL 21st April 1838 on Moffatt 2 also his later wife Sarah Jones arrived VDL 25th Dec 1843 on Woodbridge. Best wishes Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <annehanson@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [TAS-CON] Look ups 1 month only > Hi All, > > I've borrowed a book from my library called 'The Convict Ships 1787 - > 1868' > by Charles Bateson. One of the appendices lists all the convict ships > which > arrived in Van Diemen's Land between 1812 & 1853. Each listing details > amongst other things the name of the master and the surgeon, where it > sailed > from, what route it took and the number of days sailing together with the > date of arrival in Van Diemen's Land. > > Please contact me if you would like a look up. I have the book for a month > only. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > annehanson@hotkey.net.au > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at > http://www.portarthur.org.au/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi All, I've borrowed a book from my library called 'The Convict Ships 1787 - 1868' by Charles Bateson. One of the appendices lists all the convict ships which arrived in Van Diemen's Land between 1812 & 1853. Each listing details amongst other things the name of the master and the surgeon, where it sailed from, what route it took and the number of days sailing together with the date of arrival in Van Diemen's Land. Please contact me if you would like a look up. I have the book for a month only. Cheers Anne Hanson annehanson@hotkey.net.au

Hi All, Does anyone know if Tasmanian early marriage certificates such as 1834 and 1837 list the parents names of both the bride and groom or are they like early Victorian marriage certificates where the parents are not listed. Hope someone can help me. Anne Hanson annehanson@hotkey.net.au

G'day folks! The first book I read on transportation was Don Chapman's '1788: The people of the First Fleet', Sydney, 1981. No Tasmanian content, but a good introduction to the whole subject I thought at the time, and I still dip into it occasionally. George Bell >Meryl has kindly posted our list of books useful for convict research >on the AUS-TAS website – see >http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/con_books.html. > >If you have any more to add, please let us know. Thank you for all the >contributions so far – “many heads make light work” ?. > >Regards >Trudy -- 113 East View, Wideopen, Tyne & Wear NE13 6EF, UK

Hi Anne, It wasn't normal practice to list parents of either party to a marriage. But I have found one case where the parents were named. Sometimes family relationships can be gleaned from the witnesses to the ceremony or the location of the ceremony if not conducted in a church. Pre 1900 certificates are freely available on film at most State libraries. Regards Lee-ann The Gardens Family History Bailey and Treloggen Families of St Helens, Tasmania http://www.thegardensfamily.com See my surname interest at: http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9139.htm

This looks really useful - thanks for letting us know about it, Lee-ann. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Lee-ann Atkinson [mailto:thegardens@westnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 23 May 2005 12:24 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Macquarie Harbour For anyone with an interest in convicts and those that spent time at Macquarie Harbour Ian Brands work has special significance and some of his work has been placed on this web site. http://www.dpiwe.tas.gov.au/dbtw-wpd/library/Brand/Front%20page.html Regards Lee-ann The Gardens Family History Bailey and Treloggen Families of St Helens, Tasmania http://www.thegardensfamily.com See my surname interest at: http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9139.htm ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

For anyone with an interest in convicts and those that spent time at Macquarie Harbour Ian Brands work has special significance and some of his work has been placed on this web site. http://www.dpiwe.tas.gov.au/dbtw-wpd/library/Brand/Front%20page.html Regards Lee-ann The Gardens Family History Bailey and Treloggen Families of St Helens, Tasmania http://www.thegardensfamily.com See my surname interest at: http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9139.htm

Hello Alison You can search the Tasmanian Pioneers Index by first name. There is only the one occurrence of LIDEY, but there are several for Lidia, Lidietta and Lida. None that seem to match your Lidey BRIGGS though. As she was born c1806, it is likely she arrived free, either as an adult or child, or as a convict (or convict's child). Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Alison Briggs [mailto:avbriggs@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 9:31 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Charles Briggs Hi Trudy Could be, but won't know until I find out who she is! There's no marriage record that I can find. Is it possible to search the BDM's by first name? I'm not even sure that he had been married before, but his brother was acting as creditor not long after his death against his next of kin (his wife had died by this point) and we don't know of any other family as they were brothers who were transported together. Cheers Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] Charles Briggs > Hello Alison > > There is a Lidey BRIGGS who died in the Brighton district on 8 November > 1842 > aged 36 (RGD 35/18 1842/35 Brighton) - could this be Charles' previous > wife? > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alison Briggs [mailto:avbriggs@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2005 9:07 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] Charles Briggs > > Hi Listers > I'm still searching for my Charles BRIGGS (born Y'shire 1795) who married > Susannah Meek in 1848 at Green Ponds. I have details of this marriage, > but > I think he may have had a previous marriage sometime after 1833. I've > checked the BDM's but no trace of him. > Anyone have Charles on file? > Cheers > > Alison Briggs > Sydney > Australia > *************************************************** > Researching Briggs & Devine in Tasmania > and the Briggs' of Yorkshire > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/i/Alison-Briggs-NSW/ > *************************************************** > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at http://www.portarthur.org.au/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Trudy Could be, but won't know until I find out who she is! There's no marriage record that I can find. Is it possible to search the BDM's by first name? I'm not even sure that he had been married before, but his brother was acting as creditor not long after his death against his next of kin (his wife had died by this point) and we don't know of any other family as they were brothers who were transported together. Cheers Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] Charles Briggs > Hello Alison > > There is a Lidey BRIGGS who died in the Brighton district on 8 November > 1842 > aged 36 (RGD 35/18 1842/35 Brighton) - could this be Charles' previous > wife? > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alison Briggs [mailto:avbriggs@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2005 9:07 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] Charles Briggs > > Hi Listers > I'm still searching for my Charles BRIGGS (born Y'shire 1795) who married > Susannah Meek in 1848 at Green Ponds. I have details of this marriage, > but > I think he may have had a previous marriage sometime after 1833. I've > checked the BDM's but no trace of him. > Anyone have Charles on file? > Cheers > > Alison Briggs > Sydney > Australia > *************************************************** > Researching Briggs & Devine in Tasmania > and the Briggs' of Yorkshire > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/i/Alison-Briggs-NSW/ > *************************************************** > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello All Some of you may have seen this link previously, but for those who haven't, it gives an account of the law as it applied to convict transportation in the British Empire from 1700-1850. http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/lhr/21.3/forum_kercher.html#F Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List <mailto:tcowley@bigpond.net.au> tcowley@bigpond.net.au <mailto:AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Try asking the Archives and Local Studies people to search local newspapers for report of the Trial If you provide the date they might do that for you. I had success in Warwick . Cheers Shirley in East Gippsland -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16-05-2005

Hi Coralie, My great-great-grandmother, Elizabeth Armstrong, also came out on the Angelina in 1844. I can't help you with your query but write in case you come across anything in your Angelina research that might include Elizabeth Armstrong. I would love to learn more about her life and would be very grateful for any extra information. Elizabeth was tried at the Liverpool Lancaster Quarter Sessions and when I applied for access to her trial records was told that the repository housing those records was destroyed during the German bombing of Liverpool in World War II. Best wishes, Marg Watson. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve and Coralie Sallans <sallans@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] Trial Records - can listers help? > Dear List > I contacted the Manchester Archives and Local Studies to find out how I might access the trial records for Ann Levy who was transported to Tasmania on the "Angelina" with her two children in 1844 and received the following reply:- > > "We hold the session papers for 27 Dec 1843 for Manchester Quarter Sessions (ref: M116/2/4/11). The papers are not indexed so it is difficult to search through them. We are unable to photocopy them for preservations reasons. I would suggest you contact a record agent who may be able to search the records and transcribe them for you (see http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/agents.htm)." > > As yet I have not contacted any of the record agents and wondered if any listers have had any experience with these services? > > Thanks > Coralie Sallans >

Hello Alison There is a Lidey BRIGGS who died in the Brighton district on 8 November 1842 aged 36 (RGD 35/18 1842/35 Brighton) - could this be Charles' previous wife? Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Alison Briggs [mailto:avbriggs@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2005 9:07 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Charles Briggs Hi Listers I'm still searching for my Charles BRIGGS (born Y'shire 1795) who married Susannah Meek in 1848 at Green Ponds. I have details of this marriage, but I think he may have had a previous marriage sometime after 1833. I've checked the BDM's but no trace of him. Anyone have Charles on file? Cheers Alison Briggs Sydney Australia *************************************************** Researching Briggs & Devine in Tasmania and the Briggs' of Yorkshire http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/i/Alison-Briggs-NSW/ *************************************************** ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Listers I'm still searching for my Charles BRIGGS (born Y'shire 1795) who married Susannah Meek in 1848 at Green Ponds. I have details of this marriage, but I think he may have had a previous marriage sometime after 1833. I've checked the BDM's but no trace of him. Anyone have Charles on file? Cheers Alison Briggs Sydney Australia *************************************************** Researching Briggs & Devine in Tasmania and the Briggs' of Yorkshire http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/i/Alison-Briggs-NSW/ ***************************************************

Dear All, What about the basics.... Guide to the Public Records of Tasmania - The Convict Department which can be downloaded as a pdf file (88 pages!!) http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/publications/guides.htm and then to appropriate guide. Transcribing Tasmanian Convict Records by Susan Hood and published by the Port Arthur Historic Site Management Authority (2003) Cheers, Maree At 09:50 AM 13/05/2005, you wrote: >Hello Everyone > >I propose, that as a list, we come up with a list of resources useful for >researching Tasmanian Convicts - starting with BOOKS. As we compile >resources, Meryl Yost has kindly agreed to list them on the AUS-Tasmanian >Genealogy Mailing List website - http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/. > >Books which I have recently read and found useful include: > >"female factory, female convicts" by Tony Rayner - published 2005 > >"Convict Women" by Kay Daniels - published 1998 > >"The Convict Settlers of Australia" by LL Robson - published 1965 > >"The Last Ladies: Female convicts on the 'Duchess of Northumberland', 1853" >- by Christine Woods (a list member) - published 2004 > >There are many more ... can you add to the list? > >(Please do not provide costs or outlets.) > >Regards >Trudy > >Dr Trudy Cowley >List Administrator >TAS Convicts Rootsweb List >tcowley@bigpond.net.au >AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'L mode' send an empty email with ONLY the word >UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Margaret is listed in the Tasmanian Convict CD as arriving from Dublin in 1842, per "Hope". Margaret was delivered of a daughter in Hobart on 14 June 1844. Margaret's status was convict. Father not recorded. Daughter's name not recorded, but I have a suspect, below. Margaret was described as a 23 y.o. spinster when she married James COSTON, a 31 y.o. carpenter, in Hobart on 17 March 1846. Witnesses were John & Sarah MURPHY. James drops out of view after this. Margaret is delivered of a son, Michael, at Hobart on 18 Nov 1850. Margaret's status is again "convict"; and the father is shown as a blank. The informant was Isaac LIVERMORE, the overseer of the Cascades Factory. Whatever happened to Margaret's husband, I surmise that she wasn't living him with him. I don't know any more about Michael, yet. Margaret COSTON, age 39, b.Ireland, maiden name McCLOUGHLIN, is recorded as having died in Victoria in 1860. Regarding the unnamed daughter, born 14 June 1844: I'm wondering if this may be the Annie McLOUGHLIN who married Samuel MANNING in Hobart on 08 March 1859. The Register describes Annie as a 17 y.o. spinster, but if I'm on the right track, then she was a tad shy of 15 y.o. at the time of the wedding. The Register doesn't give details of her birthplace or parentage, so I can't be certain that Annie is related to Margaret. Samuel was a soldier with the 12th Regiment. They had two children in Hobart before moving to New Zealand. I think this is unrelated, but I see from the TPI that one Margaret COSTON, 26 y.o. spinster, married John WILLIAMS, 45 y.o. carpenter, in Hobart on 20 Dec 1852. This Margaret may be the one who arrived as a convict per "Lord Auckland" in 1849. Just to confuse the issue, one Margaret McLOCHLIN arrived per "Cadet" in 1848. I'm hoping that a Lister will recognize one of these names. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com>

Hello All Today I came across a female convict's conduct record (from the assignment period) which listed a "Surgeon's Special Report". The "Surgeon's Report" listed the convict, Alice Nankeville per "Hydery" 1832 as "good", and the "Special Surgeon's Report" listed her as "(well behaved) - manners respectable". Has anyone else come across a "Special Surgeon's Report"? Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Jim, I think this is sound advice and will definitely to down the "list" path. I have received an enormous amount of help from other lists. Have no one in mind who is in England at present BUT I certainly want to go there one day :) Regards Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Halsey" <jehalsey@gmail.com> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Trial Records - can listers help? > Hello Coralie, > Before you approach a member of AGRA and spend perhaps large amounts > of money why don't you sign up with one or two lists covering > Mancheste, Lancashire and or Cheshire. You may well find that there > are helpful listers who will search for you for nothing other than for > your sincere thanks or, as in several cases, the listers concerned > have offered recprocal help in Australia or Canada . My research has > been at the National Archives and local archives in Kent and Surrey > where I live, but I am afraid that Manchester is just too far away for > me to be able to help you there. > > One further thought - I have often wondered why all our colonial > friends and relatives don't organise a "help-ourselves" service > through the good offices of the thousands of young Australian visitors > to this country, at least a few of whom might very well find a visit > to a records centre or archives office a surpisingly interesting and > enjoyable experience. If you want to pay them for their efforts then > perhaps some Aussie dollars into their account at home would be a > welcome thankyou.