hi again Also note following re limitations to access to CW & PR personal records at state records etc > http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE01204b.htm < > http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00511b.htm < also there is a need to pre arrange records for inspection etc ie the day before wanting to see them by ringing State records about list of children in care > http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00511b.htm < about those establishments: > http://salinkup.com.au/media/pdf/4_government.pdf < regards Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] industrial school adelaide > Further to my previous post, > The following links give details of every govt establishment and also how > to > contact state records at Gepps Croos for those interested. > For state records 1800 number etc: > >> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00742b.htm < > > For list of institutions: > >> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00024b.htm < > > Some interesting facts about each place are able to be read there. > The Glandore/Edwardstown Industrial school photos are of the later > buildings, not the original ones. > > regards > Freda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Freda" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] industrial school adelaide > > >> Not sure where this discussion started, but there was a Boys Industrial >> School in >> Adelaide suburb of Glandore in 40's to 70's period. >> I think the Glandore or Edwardstown Industrial School or Glandore Boys >> Home >> as the locals knew it (I lived in Edwardstown when it existed) >> was later called "Wandana" and there is a Wandana Street, Glandore about >> where it was located. >> I understand this was later sold off for residential housing by the >> Government. >> >> The Boys were given normal formal schooling with qualified teachers in >> proper sclassrooms. >> My Father was an early teacher at that place. >> >> Magill Training centre was called over time Magill Industrial School, the >> Boy's Reformatory Magill, >> (known locally as BRM) , Magill Training Centre. >> and Mc Nally Training centre after one of the long serving >> Superintendents >> Mr. McNally. >> Magill also has a very high concrete walled section that was called >> "Maximum >> security" into which the very hardened young offenders were sent >> >> If you google " boys reformatory magill mcnally " Lots of hits come up >> for >> the >> various Govt institutions which tells you some about them >> >> All the then CW & PR establishments went through a large change during >> the >> term >> of the Dunstan Government >> from being hard repressive places to more humane places, >> except that it was about this time when the Maximum security section was >> built to get the "Hard cases" away from all the other offenders. >> Also at that time the original massive two storey bluestone reformatory >> building was demolished >> and single story units as they are today were built . >> I think that was when it became the McNally training centre. >> >> Some other Children's Welfare & Public Relief (C.W. & P.R.) >> establishments >> in SA were: >> (not necessarily all of them though) >> Opposite Magill Reformatory was "Magill Home" which was an old age home >> for >> people with little or no means of support or accommodation. >> This was sold off later and subdivided into housing as it is today. >> Some of the original buildings are still there but have been converted >> into >> homes. >> >> Kumanka, a two story 1800's stone building in middle of North Adelaide. >> Where young offenders lived, but went to school or work daily as any >> other >> young person did. >> Not sure what happened to this place. >> >> Vaughan House (Named after a long serving matron with surname of Vaughan) >> was also an 1800's building >> (previously a private home) in Enfield suburb which was a Girls >> reformatory/establishment. >> Also sold off for development and I think may have aged care homes on it >> nowadays, (Not totally sure of this.) >> >> Bedford Park home...I think Flinders Uni and/or Flinders Hospital is at >> this >> location nowadays (dont rememebr much about this one). >> >> Lochiel Park a 1800's 2 storey building at end of Hill st. Campbelltown, >> Adelaide. >> The building still stands there along with some other later built >> buildings, >> (not sure if still used for same purpose or not though). >> >> Later another junior reformatory called Brookway Park place was built >> alongside Lochiel Park, run independently from Lochiel park >> and which was later still, demolished and is now a residential >> subdivision >> which has 5 star eco houses on it. >> Lochiel Park & Brookway Park were for the younger offenders. >> >> Struan Farm School (11 miles South of Naracoorte) a 1800's former home >> (it >> was a mansion of a place with farmland) of a Robertson family >> which the Govt purchased and was used for young boys who were either >> "the better of the Lot" or who had encountered the Police in Adelaide >> but had been felt to have been "not too bad" and had been led astray >> and were sent to learn farming, or had come from homes where the family >> unit >> had broken down. >> Some of them later worked on farms in the district and are still working >> in >> the district or other farming areas today. >> This building and farm was closed in mid 1970's and became and still is >> the >> South East Headquarters of the S.A. Agriculture Department >> Its an impressive building as you drive down toward Penola from >> Naracoorte. >> I understand the building is under control of the National Trust >> and has had signifcant restoration work done on it in past few years. >> One can go in and look around. It has a very high tower on it. >> >> >> Except for Magill Old Folks Home as it was known, all the people in these >> establishments were under the age of 18yrs, >> and were sent to these places by the juvenile court system, >> >> To see a picture of Struan House have a look at State Library of Victoria >> site at: >>> http://digital.slv.vic.gov.au/view/action/nmets.do?DOCCHOICE=2979998.xml&dvs=1371952970924~255&locale=en_AU&search_terms=&adjacency=&divType=&usePid1=true&usePid2=true < >> >> To see a picture of Magill Reformatory original 2-3 storey building >>> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00057b.htm < >> >> To see a picture of Vaughan House >>> http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/160165059?q=Vaughan+House+%28Enfield%2C+S.+Aust.%29&c=picture&versionId=174612811 < >>> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=vaughan+house+enfield+picture&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bFzGUfqqEIeKkwXC3YCwAg&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=843 < >> >> To see a picture of quite a few of their places >>> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00064b.htm#related < >> >> If looking for details of any person who was in those establishments, it >> might be best to contact "state records" at Gepps Cross and see if they >> have >> anything. >> >> Also The State Library may have some information on some or all of these >> places, but not neccesarily the people.. >> >> regards >> Freda. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Brown" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:31 PM >> Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] industrial school adelaide >> >> >>> Try Googling "Magill industrial Scool" >>> >>> rgds, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ >>> >>> Websites of Interest on our Blog: >>> http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ >> >> Websites of Interest on our Blog: >> http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Freda I would just like to say, what a terrific answer you have given to the Industrial School question My husband has ancestors who were in the Edwardstown Institution in 1903/06, so I can fully understand the answer you have given All I can add, is that Edwardstown housed girls between 1898 and 1906 when one of our girls was turned out at the age of 18 years She promptly got married ! Thanks for a great answer ! Jean -----Original Message----- From: Freda [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2013 1:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] industrial school adelaide hi again Also note following re limitations to access to CW & PR personal records at state records etc > http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE01204b.htm < > http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00511b.htm < also there is a need to pre arrange records for inspection etc ie the day before wanting to see them by ringing State records about list of children in care > http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00511b.htm < about those establishments: > http://salinkup.com.au/media/pdf/4_government.pdf < regards Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] industrial school adelaide > Further to my previous post, > The following links give details of every govt establishment and also how > to > contact state records at Gepps Croos for those interested. > For state records 1800 number etc: > >> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00742b.htm < > > For list of institutions: > >> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00024b.htm < > > Some interesting facts about each place are able to be read there. > The Glandore/Edwardstown Industrial school photos are of the later > buildings, not the original ones. > > regards > Freda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Freda" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] industrial school adelaide > > >> Not sure where this discussion started, but there was a Boys Industrial >> School in >> Adelaide suburb of Glandore in 40's to 70's period. >> I think the Glandore or Edwardstown Industrial School or Glandore Boys >> Home >> as the locals knew it (I lived in Edwardstown when it existed) >> was later called "Wandana" and there is a Wandana Street, Glandore about >> where it was located. >> I understand this was later sold off for residential housing by the >> Government. >> >> The Boys were given normal formal schooling with qualified teachers in >> proper sclassrooms. >> My Father was an early teacher at that place. >> >> Magill Training centre was called over time Magill Industrial School, the >> Boy's Reformatory Magill, >> (known locally as BRM) , Magill Training Centre. >> and Mc Nally Training centre after one of the long serving >> Superintendents >> Mr. McNally. >> Magill also has a very high concrete walled section that was called >> "Maximum >> security" into which the very hardened young offenders were sent >> >> If you google " boys reformatory magill mcnally " Lots of hits come up >> for >> the >> various Govt institutions which tells you some about them >> >> All the then CW & PR establishments went through a large change during >> the >> term >> of the Dunstan Government >> from being hard repressive places to more humane places, >> except that it was about this time when the Maximum security section was >> built to get the "Hard cases" away from all the other offenders. >> Also at that time the original massive two storey bluestone reformatory >> building was demolished >> and single story units as they are today were built . >> I think that was when it became the McNally training centre. >> >> Some other Children's Welfare & Public Relief (C.W. & P.R.) >> establishments >> in SA were: >> (not necessarily all of them though) >> Opposite Magill Reformatory was "Magill Home" which was an old age home >> for >> people with little or no means of support or accommodation. >> This was sold off later and subdivided into housing as it is today. >> Some of the original buildings are still there but have been converted >> into >> homes. >> >> Kumanka, a two story 1800's stone building in middle of North Adelaide. >> Where young offenders lived, but went to school or work daily as any >> other >> young person did. >> Not sure what happened to this place. >> >> Vaughan House (Named after a long serving matron with surname of Vaughan) >> was also an 1800's building >> (previously a private home) in Enfield suburb which was a Girls >> reformatory/establishment. >> Also sold off for development and I think may have aged care homes on it >> nowadays, (Not totally sure of this.) >> >> Bedford Park home...I think Flinders Uni and/or Flinders Hospital is at >> this >> location nowadays (dont rememebr much about this one). >> >> Lochiel Park a 1800's 2 storey building at end of Hill st. Campbelltown, >> Adelaide. >> The building still stands there along with some other later built >> buildings, >> (not sure if still used for same purpose or not though). >> >> Later another junior reformatory called Brookway Park place was built >> alongside Lochiel Park, run independently from Lochiel park >> and which was later still, demolished and is now a residential >> subdivision >> which has 5 star eco houses on it. >> Lochiel Park & Brookway Park were for the younger offenders. >> >> Struan Farm School (11 miles South of Naracoorte) a 1800's former home >> (it >> was a mansion of a place with farmland) of a Robertson family >> which the Govt purchased and was used for young boys who were either >> "the better of the Lot" or who had encountered the Police in Adelaide >> but had been felt to have been "not too bad" and had been led astray >> and were sent to learn farming, or had come from homes where the family >> unit >> had broken down. >> Some of them later worked on farms in the district and are still working >> in >> the district or other farming areas today. >> This building and farm was closed in mid 1970's and became and still is >> the >> South East Headquarters of the S.A. Agriculture Department >> Its an impressive building as you drive down toward Penola from >> Naracoorte. >> I understand the building is under control of the National Trust >> and has had signifcant restoration work done on it in past few years. >> One can go in and look around. It has a very high tower on it. >> >> >> Except for Magill Old Folks Home as it was known, all the people in these >> establishments were under the age of 18yrs, >> and were sent to these places by the juvenile court system, >> >> To see a picture of Struan House have a look at State Library of Victoria >> site at: >>> http://digital.slv.vic.gov.au/view/action/nmets.do?DOCCHOICE=2979998.xml&dvs =1371952970924~255&locale=en_AU&search_terms=&adjacency=&divType=&usePid1=tr ue&usePid2=true < >> >> To see a picture of Magill Reformatory original 2-3 storey building >>> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00057b.htm < >> >> To see a picture of Vaughan House >>> http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/160165059?q=Vaughan+House+%28Enfield%2C+S.+Aust .%29&c=picture&versionId=174612811 < >>> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=vaughan+house+enfield+picture&tbm=isch&tbo =u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bFzGUfqqEIeKkwXC3YCwAg&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=843 < >> >> To see a picture of quite a few of their places >>> http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/sa/biogs/SE00064b.htm#related < >> >> If looking for details of any person who was in those establishments, it >> might be best to contact "state records" at Gepps Cross and see if they >> have >> anything. >> >> Also The State Library may have some information on some or all of these >> places, but not neccesarily the people.. >> >> regards >> Freda. >>

Dear Freda, what can one say but Thankyou for all that effort, you deserve a medal. :) Emm