Hi Kevin It depends on the type of Court case as to the access to the records. If it is in a lower court, eg Local/Police/Magistrates Court the records if they survive (very patchy) are at State Records, if in the Supreme Court, through the Supreme Court at a cost. Bankruptcy Court records are at State Records until 1928, thereafter they are in the National Archives, and the local repository for these records is in Perth. Mining records, try TROVE and the Government Gazette. Pastoral Records, again State Records, though you would probably have to access the reference number via the Land Registry Office in Adelaide. Some may still be Land Registry at Netley. The State Records website is not very user friendly - much better to source information about records through *South Australian History Sources.* Andrew On 24 March 2011 09:39, kevin brewer <brewer@themeda.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where, either online or otherwise, can I check and copy > court records for the 19th C and early 20th C? I am looking for several > court cases reported in the newspapers, one being a bankruptcy. I want > to get copies of the court documents, and from my online searches in > South Australia, think that will be difficult. I would also like to find > some public record material on mining companies in South Australia in > the 1840s, particularly the Mount Remarkable Mining company formed to > mine copper and gold at that place in the mid 1840s. > > And lastly, pastoral records: does anyone know where records of stock > and run assessments from the colonial are kept? I assume it is in the > archives but the SA Archives website was designed, like many such sites > in Australia in particular, so it is impossible to find any thing. > > Kevin Brewer > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Andrew G Peake

Hi Deirdre, Nothing to do with SA Hansom Cab licenses but I thought a description of what I found for Geelong in Victoria might help. Hansom Cab / Hackney Carriage licenses were controlled by the LOCAL COUNCIL but there was no register of licenses etc. There was a set number of licenses and they were renewed annually - December each year. The Market & Hackney Carriage Committee" inspected current licensees and their carriages - they were either passed or rejected. This committee was part of the Geelong Market Committee - made up of councillors. In Geelong the details were in the "Geelong Market Committee Minutes" bound volumes - 5 volumes 1850-1956 I was looking at these minutes while doing research for the Geelong Saleyards [markets] and stumbled across the Hackney Carriage licenses. You can see an example of the pages in the minutes for them. I then tried to match up additional information on the cabmen from the local directories - see ... http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/geelong/people/gdcabs Obviously this is a council in Victoria and they may have handled things very differently in South Australia - but you never know! Hope that helps .............. Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Mooney Sent: 24 Mar 2011 9:18 AM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Hansom Cab licenses This is interesting about the Hansom Cabs in Adelaide, from the Manning Index of South Australian History... "In 1900 there were 377 licensed cabmen & by 1 July 1925 only 39 remained. In late 1800's, in those days cabs stood in the middle of King William Street, & met the old horse cars (trams) which used to come down Hindley Street. North Terrace was mostly paddocks. There were no houses in East Adelaide & only wide open spaces between the Maid & Magpie & Payneham Road. Cabmen were also in demand when the great balls were held. "I would call for parties at 8 o'clock & after driving to the dance would stop until 3 o'clock in the morning. Then would come the drive home through the night & we would get back to the city just as dawn was breaking". Deirdre AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know where, either online or otherwise, can I check and copy court records for the 19th C and early 20th C? I am looking for several court cases reported in the newspapers, one being a bankruptcy. I want to get copies of the court documents, and from my online searches in South Australia, think that will be difficult. I would also like to find some public record material on mining companies in South Australia in the 1840s, particularly the Mount Remarkable Mining company formed to mine copper and gold at that place in the mid 1840s. And lastly, pastoral records: does anyone know where records of stock and run assessments from the colonial are kept? I assume it is in the archives but the SA Archives website was designed, like many such sites in Australia in particular, so it is impossible to find any thing. Kevin Brewer

This is interesting about the Hansom Cabs in Adelaide, from the Manning Index of South Australian History... "In 1900 there were 377 licensed cabmen & by 1 July 1925 only 39 remained. In late 1800's, in those days cabs stood in the middle of King William Street, & met the old horse cars (trams) which used to come down Hindley Street. North Terrace was mostly paddocks. There were no houses in East Adelaide & only wide open spaces between the Maid & Magpie & Payneham Road. Cabmen were also in demand when the great balls were held. "I would call for parties at 8 o'clock & after driving to the dance would stop until 3 o'clock in the morning. Then would come the drive home through the night & we would get back to the city just as dawn was breaking". Deirdre

Have you tried the Police and Government Gazettes. They are probably the only hope of find any record. Andrew Peake. >>> Hello, can anyone tell me which Archives would have the licenses for >>> the >>> Hansom Cab drivers for Adelaide from 1870-1910 please?.....Deirdre

Intersting query... I can not offer any suggestions or help, but can all replies be sent to the List, please Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta, Sth Aust > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deirdre Mooney" <moodee@ihug.com.au> > To: <AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 6:48 PM > Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Hansom Cab licenses DRISCOLL > > >> Hello, can anyone tell me which Archives would have the licenses for the >> Hansom Cab drivers for Adelaide from 1870-1910 please? >> >> I have tried the Archives at Cavan, also Adelaide Archives at Topham >> Mall. >> >> Can anyone tell me if the licenses were police issued? >> >> My great grandfather, James DRISCOLL was a driver of a hansom cab for Mr >> Wetherell in 1875. >> >> By 1879 he was himself a cab driver/owner, cab number 115. He >> continued >> as a cab proprietor until his death in 1916. >> There is a lot of information on Trove about him & his wife Sarah (n >> Sherriff) and their family & the sale of their horse and hansom cab as he >> got older. >> >> I have also been unable to find James Driscolls arrival to SA, he didnt >> marry until he was 42 and I have hit a brick wall with him so the license >> might show something for me to carry on with. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> Kind regards Deirdre >> >> AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ >> >> Websites of Interest on our Blog: >> http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3521 - Release Date: 03/21/11 >> >

Hello, can anyone tell me which Archives would have the licenses for the Hansom Cab drivers for Adelaide from 1870-1910 please? I have tried the Archives at Cavan, also Adelaide Archives at Topham Mall. Can anyone tell me if the licenses were police issued? My great grandfather, James DRISCOLL was a driver of a hansom cab for Mr Wetherell in 1875. By 1879 he was himself a cab driver/owner, cab number 115. He continued as a cab proprietor until his death in 1916. There is a lot of information on Trove about him & his wife Sarah (n Sherriff) and their family & the sale of their horse and hansom cab as he got older. I have also been unable to find James Driscolls arrival to SA, he didnt marry until he was 42 and I have hit a brick wall with him so the license might show something for me to carry on with. Thanks for any help. Kind regards Deirdre

http://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/EN/News/NewsArticles/Pages/AucklandStar.aspx 75 years of the Auckland Star to be available online 21/03/2011 The National Library of New Zealand and Auckland Libraries are teaming up to have historic copies of the Auckland Star newspaper digitised. The Auckland Star, formerly known as the Evening Star (pictured right), was published daily from 1870 to 1991. The paper was relaunched as the Auckland Evening Star approximately nine years later, and renamed the Auckland Star in 1887. Auckland Libraries holds bound volumes of the original newspapers. These were microfilmed in the 1960s to improve ongoing access and to aid preservation but heavy use means both the original papers and microfilms are fragile and deteriorating. The project will take several years to complete with the first papers available later this year. Digitised copies of the Auckland Star will be accessible through the National Library’s Papers Past website which holds close to two million pages of digitised historic New Zealand papers. The Auckland Star items will provide researchers with easy access to information of regional and national significance and covering significant events such as women’s suffrage, the great depression and both world wars. “This heralds a partnership between Auckland Libraries and the National Library of New Zealand to digitise the papers from 1870 to 1945 inclusive,” says Allison Dobbie, Manager of Libraries and Information for Auckland Council. “This includes newspapers still in copyright, which Fairfax have generously allowed us to reproduce. We’re also exploring other collaborative projects with the National Library.” Acting National Librarian, Sue Sutherland, says, “The National Library of New Zealand is thrilled to be collaborating with Auckland Libraries to digitise its collections of the Auckland Star and broaden the newspaper’s reach to all New Zealanders.” Ms Sutherland says the partnership signals the National Library’s ongoing commitment to working with the New Zealand library sector so that more of the nation’s documentary heritage is digitally preserved and accessible to future generations.

Hi Folks, Many thanks to Pam who located the RICHMOND family at Hindmarsh cemetery, not Enfield. Jenny

Hi Folks, If anyone is going to have a look at the touch screen at Enfield cemetery, I would very much appreciate a look up. Looking for William George RICHMOND who died at Northfield 23rd August 1958 and his wife Eva died 23rd October 1945. Jenny

Greetings June, partner of His Nibs [elder of the two robbos], Yes I saw this plea on the list, and a grin began when I saw who you had addresses this query too. ok. 1. The BISA lists AH Sing d: 8.1.1881 Adelaide SA occ: Market Gardener res: Evandale 2. SAust Death Register reveals this chap was aged 18 when he died in 1881 [ie born c.1863]. There are 39 entries for SING, fifteen of which are for AH SING, none of whom appear to be related to your James. 3. Vic Death Register reveals your James was 49 when he died in 1894 [ie born c.1845]. If he came alone, and many did, he ould probably have aged 20 or so, which means maybe he came c.1865., which doesnt seem right. Therefor - since te arrvals into SAust began c.1855, he would have been 10 years old then. 4. BRILLIANT THOUGHT - have you got his death certificate ? The Victorian ones generally say something like "in Victoria xx years", and sometimes they might also say "in SAust xx years]. That's a very good clue regarding arrival. 5. SA Goldseekers CD In the 1850s China was a poverty stricken over-populated place. The Chinese had for some years been lured to the Californian Goldfields. They were diligent, quiet workers, but their looks and habits made them very unpopular. The Chinese could not return home as they would "lose face" (be in disgrace for having failed) so when they heard about the discovery of gold in Australia, they began leaving for this new destination. Thousands of Chinese flocked to the goldfields, mainly from the southern provinces of China proper, and left by ship from Hong Kong under the credit system. The Chinese labour agents or "hongs" paid the passage money, in return for the Chinese goldseeker's earnings until the debt was paid. If the goldseeker could not pay his debt, his family worked for the agents until the debt was paid. Whilst a small number came as gardeners, laundrymen, shearers, furniture makers and merchants to supply the needs of their fellow countrymen, most came for the gold. Of the thousands who came to the goldfields, the majority returned to China when they had amassed an amount sufficient to satisfy their frugal wants. The hope of nearly all Chinese was to retire to China where they could be laid to rest among their amcestors, and those who died in Australia frequently made arrangements for their bones to be shipped to their native land. If the Chinese who chose to stay in Australia wanted to become landowners, they were required to be come naturalised citizens. Many of these remained Chinese in sentiment. Some researchers say that the first Chinese goldseekers arrived in Victoria early in January 1853, all heading straight for the goldfields. HOWEVER we recently discovered a report in the South Australian REGISTER [dated April 28th, 1852] indicating that 237 Chinese emigrants had arrived at Geelong in April 1852 onboard the AMAZON from Sydney. By the time the Official Census was taken in March 1854, 2000 Chinese miners had arrived in Victoria. CHINESE GOLDSEEKERS came to PORT ADELAIDE, SOUTH AUSTRALIA IN 1855-1856, and then to ROBE in 1857. A number of Chinese who arranged to come to the Victorian goldfields between 1855 to 1857, found themselves being landed in Adelaide rather than in Melbourne. Given that they had already paid the £20 - £10 required by the Ship Captains to cover the cost of their passage and another £10 for the CAPITATION TAX demanded by the Victorian Government, naturally they felt cheated. Little did the Chinese know that this was merely another money-making device resorted to by agents and shippers to increase their margin of profit. The first strategy was to land the Chinese at Port Adelaide, where the poor unfortunates undertook a journey of more than 430 miles. These would-be miners were met by local agents and housed in temporary camps in what are now the Adelaide suburbs. These agents guided them overland, using Tolmer's Gold Escort route, via the Adelaide Hills, Wellington, through the middle of arid country to Tatiara, Scott's Woolshed at Bordertown, Little Desert, and then over the border and on to the central goldfields of Victoria - Ararat, Ballarat, Castlemaine and Bendigo. However, they found the tracks confusing and there were long stages where no water was available as there were no waterside wells or watering holes. Many chose to use an alternative route via the Coorong, which took longer, but the track was more frequented by bullockies and other travellers. There were inns and shanties along the way enabling them to purchase sheep for fresh meat. They travelled in stages of about 20 miles each day, and along the way they dug wells to ensure a supply of fresh water for themselves and their countrymen who followed. Most of the Chinese who came to Robe, South Australia in 1856 and 1857 walked north-east to Narracoorte and joined the Gold Escort Route, or south-east to Mount Gambia, Portland and then north-east towards the goldfields. We understand that most of the Chinese who walk overland to the Victorian goldfields, stopped at designated campsites. Often they found they were carrying too much weight, and at the first night's stopping place they discarded everything not absolutely necessary, including their Chinese coins which were of no use to them in the Australian goldfields. These they buried, intending to retrieve them on the return journey, but most Chinese did not return to Robe. CHINESE EXPEDIENTS FOR COMMUNICATING TO CHINESE TRAVELLERS The Chinese often left messages for their fellow countrymen who followed, in the hope of making the journey easier. These messages were to be found on trees which have been neatly stripped of their bark a few feet from the ground, with Chinese characters carefully written in ink on the white surface - one of the many expedients resorted to by Chinamen with the object of communicating information to their countrymen, and saving them from loss and disappointment. Often the messages contained the location of natural water sources or of the well which had been dug previously. Unfortunately we have been unable to access passenger lists for any of these Chinese immigrants. Between 1852 and 1856, the South Australian REGISTER Newspaper reported approx 30 ships had arrived in Port Adelaide with more than 6,800 Chinese passengers It has been almost impossible to identify who came into Adelaide, and who came into Robe. In either case, some died on the trek to the goldfields. Some of their names are recorded in the Vic Death Registers. Ssearch areas along the way from the SA border to Horsham and Castlemaine. AH SING, born c. 1838 died 1883 aged: 45 at ARARAT V.3915 AH SING, Unknown born c. 1831 died 1883 aged: 52 at ARARAT V.7147 AH SING, Unknown [Male] born c. 1825 died 1887 aged: 62 at ARARAT V.48 Place of Death not listed AH SIN born c.1828 - CANTON died 1868 aged 40 V.5747 Parent/s Ah Sin AH SIN Ah SIN born c.1837 - CHINA died 1865 aged 28 V.8579 Parent/s Ah She and Ah Mie AH SIN born c.1825 - CHINA died 1862 aged 37 V.8451 Parent/s We Pung AH Sing born c.1814 - CAN died 1856 aged 42 V.1398 Parent/s U and Cheong This is about all I have. sorry it doesnt help, but we can only use what we have. Hope you found all those words interesting. Feel free to include them in your family story if you wish. cheers from Di Cummings. ============= Hi Di, looking for James AhSing coming into Robe SA from China He would of been born approx 1843// died in Sale Victoria 1894 Have been advised that he may of come in through Robe as they didn't have to pay Taxes Have check Victoria and cannot find anything and nothing on his death certificate. Any help would be appreciated, thanks, June Cheers from Di Cummings of Melbourne http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm =

Hello Listers, Is anyone able to locate where this place is/was please. I have a 2 x great grand Uncle living there [as per the South Australian Advertiser of 14.10.1859 AND the marriage of his son, Harry Henry Wickens EXCELL,on the 13th April 1865 being at the "residence of Mr J.W. EXCELL, Limestone Valley, South Australia" I have been unable to locate this place via 'Google' or elsewhere. Any suggestions please/ Gaye in N.Z.

Mannings SA Place names says : Limestone Valley is on sections 2025 and 3021 about 5 km from Gawler 'near Lyndoch Valley'. regards Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaye Ruru" <rurug@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Where is/was 'Limestone Valley' in South Australia. > Hello Listers, > > Is anyone able to locate where this place is/was please. I have a 2 x > great grand Uncle living there [as per the South Australian Advertiser of > 14.10.1859 AND the marriage of his son, Harry Henry Wickens EXCELL,on the > 13th April 1865 being at the "residence of Mr J.W. EXCELL, Limestone > Valley, South Australia" > > I have been unable to locate this place via 'Google' or elsewhere. Any > suggestions please/ > > Gaye in N.Z. > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Di, looking for James AhSing coming into Robe SA from China He would of been born approx 1843// died in Sale Victoria 1894 Have been advised that he may of come in through Robe as they didn't have to pay Taxes Have check Victoria and cannot find anything and nothing on his death certificate. Any help would be appreciated, thanks, June

Hi Col I forgot to note down that the parents given on Harriet's death registration were: Henry Richard Dodd and Jane Bell Packer. They may have emigrated as a family, as I found mother Jane Bell Dodd's death aged 69 years in 1908, Fitzroy South, Melbourne - Death Reg. no.5872. Her parents were recorded as Robert William John Packer and Jane Rachel Norris. Although I couldn't find a Victorian or NSW death reg for Henry Richard Dodd / Dodds, I did find his marriage in London on FreeBMD. Henry Richard Dodd married Jane Bell Packer, Dec Qtr 1859, Lambeth Reg. District Vol 1d, Page 648. I could not find a birth for Jane Bell Packer, but did find a FreeBMD birth registration for Henry Richard Dodd, March Qtr 1840, Westminster Reg. District, Vol 1, Page 385. I also looked for a shipping record into Victoria for Dodd, but had no luck. I also decided to look for Harriet Emily Eleanor's birth registration on FreeBMD, and this looks like it: DODD, Harriett Emily E. born Dec Qtr, 1881, Lambeth Reg. District, Vol 1d, Page 551. Lambeth is in London. I've checked the scan of the original and the Reg no. number is as above. If you want to order the birth registration from the General Register Office in Britain, here is the website link below. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/#ShortAndFull I have ordered and bought certificates online a number of times, and it takes a few weeks for the hard copy to arrive. Good luck with your searching, Kind regards, Rowena

What a great day for me it has turned out, thank you very much for all the assistance I have received today my missing family is no longer. It has been raining all day so I have developed my love handles a wee bit sitting here typing up all the info you wonderful fellow listers have sent me. My sincerest thankyou's go out to all who contributed, Mark & Kerry, Ruth, Rowena, Patricia, Chris and Mike I reckon I have all I need now please consider the subject closed.

Hi Everyone I'm new to this list and I don't know if anyone will be able to help me but here goes I'm doing research into HMS Anson which was used as a prison hulk in the 1840's in Tasmania. As a part of this research I am now tracking down any remains of the ship as she was scrapped and auctioned off in 1851-1853. From the Critic newspaper which I believe is a South Australian publication I have the following:- "The Critic, Friday 26th of December, 1913, p2 col. 3 states" 'Mr JOHN WHELAN, the clerk of the markets, has a relic of the long forgotten past in his possession. It is a piece of one of the cell fittings of the convict hulk Anson, The piece of wood in Mr. Whelan's possession is studded with immense spikes, which are said to have been driven in the wood etc. etc. I'm trying to find any information on this Mr. Whelan and where did the artifact from the Anson end up. If anyone could help me I know it's a bit unusual I'd be very grateful as my ancestor was a convict on the Anson Kind regards Dianna

Hi Col >From the Victorian Digger Indexes. George Robert Smart married Harriet Emily Dodd in Victoria in 1908 - Marriage reg. no.1758. His place of birth was noted as Adelaide. Her place of birth was noted as England. 4 children born to Geo Robt Smart and Harriet Emily Eleanor Dodd between 1908 to 1912 were: 1). George John Reginald born 1809, Collingwood, Melbourne - Birth reg. no.18499. He died in 1909, Collingwood, Melb - Death reg. no.1135. 2). Leslie Roy born 1909 Collingwoo, Melbourne - -Birth Reg. no.18306. 3). Effie Florence Elelanor born 1910, Collingwood, Melb. - Birht Reg. no. 26542. 4). Eric Robert born 1912 Richmond, Melbourne - Birth Reg. no.34184. 5). Lily Rose born 1915 Hawthorn - Birth reg. no.3118. 6). Dorothy Eveline born 1919, Hawthorn - Birth Reg. no.28043. George Robert died aged 71 years, in 1951, Royal Park, Melbourne - Death reg. no.5437. He parents were not stated. Harriet Emily Eleanor died aged 82 years, in 1964, Elsternick, Melbourne - Death Reg. no.8517. Hope that is helpful to you, Col. Kind regards, Rowena

I have found a family of which I have very little knowledge of and I should have as they my maternal Grandma's. I'm looking for George Robert Smart apparently born in Adelaide probably in the 1880's if he is to be close to his bride's age. He married Harriet Emily Eleanor Dodd possibly about 1908 I don't know where. I know she died 1964 in Elsternwick, Victoria. They had about 6 kids and I have no idea of their names. Thank you for any help Col

Good Morning I would like to know if any one has access to the South Aust 1856 -57 Sand and Mc Directory If there is one? If so can they please do a look up for me Thank you Jill