Please don't get me wrong I love WDYTYA and have though hubby isn't really interested much if any ( I think at times LOL) in genealogy he enjoys watching it too. And I love everything that is connected to genealogy, as well as I have the genealogists's disease and proud of it. Kind Regards, Judy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robyn Coates Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 9:19 AM To: 'Stephanie Cocks'; 'Morley'; 'AUS - SAGEN' Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Another peie of Family History FWIW I must admit that I like WDYTYA and have bought all the DVDs so I can re-watch them. Though I found the US series a bit over the top but never-the-less interesting as my knowledge of US history is not as good as it should be. We see these 'celebrities' on the TV or big screen and quite often we know very little of them and I have found it enlightening to learn more of their lives. Okay some may not want to learn any more, but I find the study of humans a fascinating topic. I also enjoy learning of all the resources that the researchers use. I would agree the participants are handed it all on a silver platter, but none-the-less it has given me some hints as to where to look for those elusive relatives. I enjoy using Ancestry and Find my Past and I the British WDYTYA monthly magazine which has given me hours of reading - so I endure the Ancestry ads as I know they need to make money to be able to provide the services we enjoy. Robyn AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have watched a sprinkling of both the UK and Aussie WDYTYA's, particularly enjoyed some of the Australian series. Cynical, no I don't think so Jill. I see the programmes as a brilliant advertising campaign (they make it look SO easy, and of course fly off to wherever for their research) for Ancestry. Steph. -----Original Message----- From: Morley Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:30 AM To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Another peie of Family Hisptry Example of rubbish in Family History ‘Who do you think you are’ Last week- on Fox TV Rob LOWE the actor – his 5 X grandfather was a German soldier who was paid by England to fight George Washington's soldiers He was captured and imprisoned and eventually asked to sign a paper saying he wanted to stay in America - so he then became a shop owner or draper? this was unclear Rob LOWE had gone to the Daughters of the Revolution research centre and found this out – so his 5X Grandfather fought against Washington and his lot. Note this is the part that put doubt some researchers At the end of the show he goes back to his room in the hotel and there is, by miracle, is a letter from the Sons or Daughters of the Revolution Saying - that because his 5X grandfathers sold 'CLOTH' to the Revolution he was now on their files files – and he, Rob LOWE was now a son of the revolution and the letter congratulated him – Bollocks I think I an getting syndical in my old age Jill AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Wondering if there is a Lister that is connected to the Above Family at all? Years ago a man who has deceased since, and was Samuel Holding's descendant and I were in touch and met up. He was going to give the Family Tree of His Holding to me, but as he was in a suburb of Adelaide and I,myself living in country S.A. it never happened. He didn't trust Australia Post to post it to me by snail mail. He died before it transpired and I never had his family / children's address so guess all of the Info went by the way. Unfortunate, we had been trying till he got Ill, to work out if his Holding was related to my Husband's Holding, seemed as if they came from different parts of England , BUT the shires were very close to each other, so who knows ??. Samuel and Jane HOLDING lived at Mt Gambier my husband's Holding's in Pt Pass, Eudunda, Sliding Rock. S.A. Geranium Plains ( near Robertstown S.A.) and two sons of William and Emma HOLDING nee THOMPSON in about 1890 went overland to Swan Hill district in Victoria And had more children and died over there. They were , Samuel and John Holding both married two sisters the WARNER girls. Hoping I can find a Lister out there that may be connected to the Mt Gambier Holding's, I believe quite a few of that family of Samuel and Jane nee BELL went over to W.A. to live. Many thanks in advance, Kind regards, Judy.

Rhonda on the 1884 death registration of Mary IRVING you will get no more info than what you have now it wasn't till 1908 that deaths in South Australia mentioned where born and how long in colony and number of children alive and deceased already If they were Catholic then I strongly suggest you have someone look at Catholic Church registers that we hold at Genealogy SA too as they sometimes have tip bits of extra info but this is not a rule I see they married in the Wesleyan mission (Methodist) but one or other may have been a Catholic - long shot of course a look for the church record might be more helpful if its available still probably at Genealogy SA too Shipping records would be a good place to look also held at Genealogy SA If they married here in SA and were ex-convicts then they would have come overland or by boat at that time. Many ex-convicts drifted over to South Australia in the early days when their terms expired some even changing their surnames the web site TROVE wasn't fruitful for a Obituary or clue either you have two Thomas IRVING one in Naracoorte and one in Robe in the directory 1890 - One is Thomas Halliday IRVING (the middle name is your big clue - its usually a surname taken from the Maternal side of the family mother or grandmother but not always Who is this Thomas Halliday IRVING?) died 6 October 1898 age 71 Farmer (born circa 1827) Hundred of Robertson , Robe District 1890 Sands and McDougall directory = Thomas H IRVING Farmer near Naracoorte 1890 Thomas IRVING sheep farmer near Lucindale (thats near Robe to) 1899 Thomas IRVING sheep farmer near Lucindale Surname: IRVING Given Names: Isabella Date: 1859-12-26 Sex: F Father: Thomas IRVING Mother: Mary Elizabeth MADDEN Birth Place/Residence: Mount Pleasant ( there is a reference to a "Thomas IRVING" his wife dying in Trove with a Alias of "CALIFORNIA TOM" but seems to be a generation older District Code: Tal Symbol: Book: 18 Page: 295 Cross Reference: Surname: IRVING Given Names: Jessie Core Date: 1877-01-22 Sex: F Father: Hinnas IRVING Mother: Mary Elizabeth MADDEN Birth Place/Residence: Blanchetown District Code: Ang Symbol: V Book: 177 Page: 373 Cross Reference: Surname: IRVING Given Names: Isabella Ethel Mazral Date: 1881-03-16 Sex: F Father: Joseph Anthony MAZRAL Mother: Mary Elizabeth IRVING @ (nee) MADDEN Birth Place/Residence: Morgan District Code: Bur Symbol: X Book: 257 Page: 164 Cross Reference: See also: MAZRAL Isabella Ethel John Day Volunteer at Genealogy SA also known as South Australian Genealogy & Heraldry Society Inc DEATH DETAILS: DATE: 1884 NO: 137/207 SURNAME: IRVING FIRST NAME: Mary HUSBAND: Thomas IRVING (H) DIED DISTRICT: Robe (SOUTH AUSTRALIA) The marriage details for Mary MADDEN and Thomas IRVING: Year Date Surname Given Names Age Mar. Status Father Spouse Surname Spouse Gvn Names Spouse Age Spouse Mar. Status Spouse Father Place of Marriage Reg District Reg No 1858 Oct 16 IRVING Thomas 35 N Thomas IRVING MADDEN Mary Elizabeth 19 S Thomas MADDEN Wesleyan Mission Adelaide 36/ 156 By 1877 they are reordered in Blanch Town South Aust Child Jesse Core' IRVING 26 Jan 1877 Father was abt 58 Mother was abt 39 Mary Elizabeth b abt 1838 Ireland. I am wishing to check if there are more details on this death entry for a Mary IRVING. I can order the document but would like to try without extra cost first. Thank you sincerely, Rhonda Ferntorp

Hello listers Can sks please do a look up for me? I have a Mary Elizabeth MADDEN (born circa 1838 possibly Ireland) who married a Thomas IRVING in 10/5/1858 Wesleyan Mission, Adelaide, South Australia. Mary's father was Thomas MADDEN (according to the marriage details) and Thomas IRVING'S father was Thomas IRVING. Mary could be one of two convicts who were convicted 1854 OR she may be an immigrant to Australia. I'm not sure. Thomas IRVING, her husband could be a convict from Cumberland, UK sent out here in 1840 on the Eden OR he could be a different Thomas IRVING. I do have a record for Thomas IRVING from Cumberland with his conviction etc. As you can see my greatest problem is to see if the death or marriage details have a place of birth on them for both of them. DEATH DETAILS: DATE: 1884 NO: 137/207 SURNAME: IRVING FIRST NAME: Mary HUSBAND: Thomas IRVING (H) DIED DISTRICT: Robe (SOUTH AUSTRALIA) The marriage details for Mary MADDEN and Thomas IRVING: Year Date Surname Given Names Age Mar. Status Father Spouse Surname Spouse Gvn Names Spouse Age Spouse Mar. Status Spouse Father Place of Marriage Reg District Reg No 1858 Oct 16 IRVING Thomas 35 N Thomas IRVING MADDEN Mary Elizabeth 19 S Thomas MADDEN Wesleyan Mission Adelaide 36/ 156 By 1877 they are reordered in Blanch Town South Aust Child Jesse Core' IRVING 26 Jan 1877 Father was abt 58 Mother was abt 39 Mary Elizabeth b abt 1838 Ireland. I am wishing to check if there are more details on this death entry for a Mary IRVING. I can order the document but would like to try without extra cost first. Thank you sincerely, Rhonda Ferntorp

Hi All, With Many Thanks to Fayette the Mystery of Ella Josephine Mary DOWIE Nee WILLIS has been solved. So happy to at last know what happened to her. Kind regards, Judy.

Hi Listers, I have marrying into the SEIBOTH family tree a Ella Josephine Mary WILLIS The daughter of Peter WILLIS and Isobel./ Isabella nee HAWKES She was born at Wallaroo S A on 15-3-1905 she married Alexander DOWIE the son of David Dowie and Anna Marie Elisabeth nee SEIBOTH. Marriage Date for Alexander ' Alex' DOWIE and Ella WILLIS was 25-7-1931. They had Six Children and in about early 1940's Ella Left Alex and from then on I can't find any trace of her. The Children were adopted out I found this info from A daughter of Alex and Ella thanks to the wonderful Sunday Mail Can You Help Page a few years ago and the daughter rang me. I have found a Death for a Ella Josephine RYLES but she I think was actually Nee Mundy. Can't find her at all in Victoria as well as S.A. Hoping there maybe a Lister out there that may be connected to this family or Could help me. I am really frustrated with this ' Mystery' But that is how it is with this hobby. With many thanks in advance, Kind regards, Judy.

Sent Merilyn the Info she was wanting. Kind regards, Judy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014 1:49 PM To: AUS-SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] George White married Eliza Baxter Hi All I wonder if someone could clarify when George White and his wife Elizabeth nee Baxter came to Australia. I think he is the one who was Christened in Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England 1 Nov 1813. Does anyone have a marriage date for them, and when they came to Australia please? Best wishes Merilyn Pedrick Aldgate AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All I wonder if someone could clarify when George White and his wife Elizabeth nee Baxter came to Australia. I think he is the one who was Christened in Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England 1 Nov 1813. Does anyone have a marriage date for them, and when they came to Australia please? Best wishes Merilyn Pedrick Aldgate

Thanks to everyone for their input into trying to locate the whereabouts of the house which was supposedly the home of Governor Gawler, occupied by RM Williams at one time. We did find the location of the house featured in the ABC programme about the Williams family, featured on tv recently. It is 125 Strangways Terrace North Adelaide, which was owned by the McGregor family. Still to locate the Governor's home, which RM Williams speaks of in his autobiography, as being near the home in Strangways Terrace. Thanks everyone, Amanda.

We don't have FOXTEL but the Who Do You Think You are on SBS have watched it. They make it all look too easy ( I wish it was !!! ) on that show as they Do. Naturally for the show, researchers working behind the scenes and do it all for the person and not like a hard slog and frustration us genealogists experience in the real world of genealogy. Well Jill I must be the same as you and don't think either of us are cynical and agree with all you say below. It gets me some things ACTUALLY mostly all of it how it is all handed to the Guest star on Who Do You Think You are how they have all the Info handed on a golden platter. BUT I guess as the show only goes for an hour they have to do it.LOL. Kind regards to All, Judy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Morley Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014 6:31 AM To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Another peie of Family Hisptry Example of rubbish in Family History 'Who do you think you are' Last week- on Fox TV Rob LOWE the actor - his 5 X grandfather was a German soldier who was paid by England to fight George Washington's soldiers He was captured and imprisoned and eventually asked to sign a paper saying he wanted to stay in America - so he then became a shop owner or draper? this was unclear Rob LOWE had gone to the Daughters of the Revolution research centre and found this out - so his 5X Grandfather fought against Washington and his lot. Note this is the part that put doubt some researchers At the end of the show he goes back to his room in the hotel and there is, by miracle, is a letter from the Sons or Daughters of the Revolution Saying - that because his 5X grandfathers sold 'CLOTH' to the Revolution he was now on their files files - and he, Rob LOWE was now a son of the revolution and the letter congratulated him - Bollocks I think I an getting syndical in my old age Jill AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Example of rubbish in Family History ‘Who do you think you are’ Last week- on Fox TV Rob LOWE the actor – his 5 X grandfather was a German soldier who was paid by England to fight George Washington's soldiers He was captured and imprisoned and eventually asked to sign a paper saying he wanted to stay in America - so he then became a shop owner or draper? this was unclear Rob LOWE had gone to the Daughters of the Revolution research centre and found this out – so his 5X Grandfather fought against Washington and his lot. Note this is the part that put doubt some researchers At the end of the show he goes back to his room in the hotel and there is, by miracle, is a letter from the Sons or Daughters of the Revolution Saying - that because his 5X grandfathers sold 'CLOTH' to the Revolution he was now on their files files – and he, Rob LOWE was now a son of the revolution and the letter congratulated him – Bollocks I think I an getting syndical in my old age Jill

This unappreciative man moves me to remark : '*Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em'* *Good for you* *Ray* On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Morley <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently did a bit of work for a man on his family Surname and his > females > lines > When I sent it to him, he said > "I did not want all that, just my dads side and my Surname name"? > I had done what I could find on his surname, and then a bit on his mum, > his grandmother his great grandmother and his Great Great grandmother > all connected to that male surname. > He was not impressed, he was not interested in female lines at all > I wondered who gave birth to all these people with his surname? > What a shame that his male line was more important than the female line > It is was FREE no cost > > Just an observation > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > [email protected] > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good one Ray. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Rob Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014 10:52 AM To: Morley Cc: AUS - SAGEN Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] An Observation This unappreciative man moves me to remark : '*Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em'* *Good for you* *Ray* On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Morley <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently did a bit of work for a man on his family Surname and his > females > lines > When I sent it to him, he said > "I did not want all that, just my dads side and my Surname name"? > I had done what I could find on his surname, and then a bit on his mum, > his grandmother his great grandmother and his Great Great grandmother > all connected to that male surname. > He was not impressed, he was not interested in female lines at all > I wondered who gave birth to all these people with his surname? > What a shame that his male line was more important than the female line > It is was FREE no cost > > Just an observation > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > [email protected] > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I bet you didn't even get a THANK YOU either Jill, only writing he didn't want any of it. Some people! Kind regards to you Jill and All. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Morley Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014 7:49 AM To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] An Observation I recently did a bit of work for a man on his family Surname and his females lines When I sent it to him, he said "I did not want all that, just my dads side and my Surname name"? I had done what I could find on his surname, and then a bit on his mum, his grandmother his great grandmother and his Great Great grandmother all connected to that male surname. He was not impressed, he was not interested in female lines at all I wondered who gave birth to all these people with his surname? What a shame that his male line was more important than the female line It is was FREE no cost Just an observation Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY [email protected] AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recently did a bit of work for a man on his family Surname and his females lines When I sent it to him, he said "I did not want all that, just my dads side and my Surname name"? I had done what I could find on his surname, and then a bit on his mum, his grandmother his great grandmother and his Great Great grandmother all connected to that male surname. He was not impressed, he was not interested in female lines at all I wondered who gave birth to all these people with his surname? What a shame that his male line was more important than the female line It is was FREE no cost Just an observation Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY [email protected]

Yes, it is all over Australia. I think the 'privacy' concerns are a concern! There are people who are not on the electoral roll the same way they have unlisted phone numbers for very specific reasons. That should be sufficient 'privacy'. I understand this and agree wholeheartedly with it but I do not understand why the rest of the population has to be protected. Electoral rolls - in the past - had occupations and the date when the person went on that roll. The same people are on facebook and post the most intimate details. regards to all Suzy

Christine, I used to use this facility a lot myself. I have heard that this is now the policy Australia-wide. All you are now allowed to do it look for yourself to check that your enrolment details are correct. It is a shame that it has come to this. Cheers Chris > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:25:24 +0800 > Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] electoral rolls > > Hello, I live in W.A. I have or should I say had been using current electoral rolls in order to locate members of the families I am researching so I can contact them by letter to add and ask for their stories, this has worked very well. This last week I went to the local electoral office to find that I cannot do this now, despite the fact that the computer is in the entry to the office and provided with a chair. All you are allowed to do is look for your self on Rolls, well I know where I am!! This Information was Australia wide and very useful, has this happened Australia wide,? > While I can understand the reason for this, I did notice on the note on the computer also forbade searches for Lawyers and for the reason of other things. > I had been in there before when the staff was all busy way behind the counter talking about their activities on the weekend and family problems, perhaps I should just go in there on a Monday morning! Would be happy to find out if this restriction is Aust. Wide. Chris in W.A. > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine I haven't had that problem but during the week I haven't been able to copy anything using the 'text' section so have been downloading pdfs and copying from there. Such a nuisance but forever grateful for the benefits that TROVE offers. Robyn

Hi Christine I had a look in the Contact Us section of Trove and this is what I found; http://trove.nla.gov.au/forum/showthread.php?1631-Important-difficulties-accessing-newspaper-articles-with-particular-searches Hope this helps, Kylie [image: Exclamation] Important - 400 or Bad Request error when accessing newspaper articles from searches When using Trove newspapers you may find that you are unable to access search results when doing particular searches. Specifically, when selecting all Victorian or all New South Wales newspapers, or a combination that includes either of these options, from the Advanced Search form or by selecting 'limit to all XXX papers' you may receive a 400 - Bad Request error when trying to access an article from your search results. The reason that you receive this error is due to the way that the advanced search currently handles selections of multiple newspapers, and the number of newspapers for Victoria and New South Wales means that when everything is selected for either of these states we end up with a situation where web browsers are unable to handle the request. We are working on a solution for this error, however we do not currently have a timeframe for when these fixes will appear in Trove. In the meantime, you will need to take a different approach when searching within Victorian or New South Wales newspapers. A few suggestions: - Try searching across all newspapers in Trove first - If you have a known date range, only select newspapers that are available within this date range - If you have a known area, only select newspapers from this area - Systematically go through the list of newspapers for the state searching a subset at a time (you can select about 200 titles before getting the error) - If using *Chrome*, try refreshing the page after receiving the error message We apologise for the inconvenience that this causes, and hope to be able to provide some more information about the matter being fixed soon. Regards Trove Support Team On 2 March 2014 19:14, Christine Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > Has any one else had this problem and knows what it is? > I have been locating some death notices for Victoria, the more recent > searches have been 1935 and 1938, the items have been located but when I > try to read them without all the digital garble I am receiving in large > bold letters .. 400 Bad Request and under this in smaller letters, your > browser sent an invalid request. I don't think I have experienced this for > other states and the entries are not overlaid in grey and saying "coming > soon" > Any input appreciated, Chris in W.A. > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message