On the CDs what would be the name of this district please. Clare ???? Birth Place/Residence: Georgetown District Code: Cla cheers Lyn

Hi List Is anyone out there related to or have this person in their tree? Name: George Thomson Death Date: 18 Aug 1955 Death Place: South Australia Registration Year: 1951-1955 Registration Place: South Australia Marcelle Western Australia

OK. The censuses say USA or Foreign Parts, but there is that one spurious reference to Alderney in 1851. Did the enumerator mishear, what else could that be, or could he be a naturalized American born in Alderney? One of those removals orders dated 1858 also says that he came from America (so I suspect that is right) and gave the right date for his marriage. The witnesses to their marriage in 1810 were Mary Ann Payton, John Bugg & Sarah Bugg -it might be worth looking to see if they appear with any of the family in the censuses, in case they were related. There is yet another removals order related to them, dated 1860. One daughter, their 6th child, was baptized later that the other children, Elizabeth Keziah Nelson bapt 16 May 1819 Hackney St John (their address then was address West Street). She may be the Elizabeth Nelson buried 11 Feb 1820 Gibralter cemetery, Bethnal Green aged 9 months. So if Jonathan Frederick Nelson did come from USA, it must have been in the window of time 1781 to 1810 - either alone, or with his parents. I haven't found any travel records for that name at that time. I had a cursory look in Ancestry USA, I couldn't find any birth records, nor naturalization documents that would immediately fit. Good luck with your ongoing search. rgds, Barry

Thankyou everyone who tried to help me But it is New York where he was born Alderney is in New York above one entry in a censes it say in one census it says of 'Foreign Part's' and another 'Alderney - New York - British Subject' I Googled- Alderney and it is part of New York State in the USA Steph on the list - says if it has British subject then he may be the son of an English couple - born there and brought back to the UK I agree with her I never thought of that - I just thought how strange? good one Steph I took at look at the UK Archives to see if there was any clues and the only Nelson mentioned was Horatio Nelson and I known it is not him The man in question was an Artist? or painter possible a house painter - but what kind is anyone's guess he died in 1863 born 1781 As the records are like hens teeth for the 1780s I think I might just have to settle for this Thankyou everyone for your input Please do not look at the UK Ancestry.com - I have scowled this for days and days But I do not have access to the USA records Sincerely Jill

If you look at names associated with the Channel Islands you will see NELSON is there in the 1780's so why not look there for a starter - I am sure you could order films for that village from LDS

Maybe his father was a soldier? Lynne -------Original Message------- From: Sharon Anchors Date: 7/06/2014 5:07:05 PM To: 'Morley'; 'AUS - SAGEN' Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed please Hello Jill, On the original 1851 Census it has Jonathan's birth place as Alderney New York & written above it say's British Subject; could the birth place be Albany New York? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Morley Sent: 07 June 2014 05:20 To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed please Good afternoon I have a puzzle and wonder if any one has the mean to help me solve it Jonathan Frederick NELSON - AKA Frederick NELSON - said he was an artist in 1851 census and born in New York or Alderney Channel Islands? [Why he says both New York and Alderney has got me beat] In 1861 - say he is a 'house painter born' in New York [nothings else] He married 26 August 1810 Hackney, London Ann CLIFFORD Born: 1784 Hackney, London Fortunately they baptised all his 5 children on the same day 16 July 1817 Hackney St John All say fathers occupation 'Painter' His Daughter Emma Elizabeth Nelson said he was an Artist on her marriage cert in 1842 He died in 1863 still living at 2 Sheep Lane Hackney A removal order for his son Frederick and his wife Maria said he [Jonathan Frederick] lived at number 2 sheep lane for 35 years so that made it easier to find him in Hackney BUT Where was he born Jonathan Frederick NELSON UK Census - says 1841 census born 1781 Foreign parts - Occupation Painter 1851 census born: 1782 New York or Alderney Channel Islands - Occupation Artist 1861 census born: 1781 New York Occupation House Painter 1863 Died Hackney, London Be grateful if any one can help Thankyou In anticipation Jill AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This suggests he came from America, perhaps Alderney in New Jersey (near New York)? Name: Jonathan Fredk Nelson Age: 77 Birth Year: abt 1781 Record Type: Orders of Removal Event Date: 7 Oct 1858 Poor Law Union or Parish: Bethnal Green Reference Number: BEBG/267/015 rgds, Barry

Good afternoon I have a puzzle and wonder if any one has the mean to help me solve it Jonathan Frederick NELSON - AKA Frederick NELSON - said he was an artist in 1851 census and born in New York or Alderney Channel Islands? [Why he says both New York and Alderney has got me beat] In 1861 - say he is a 'house painter born' in New York [nothings else] He married 26 August 1810 Hackney, London Ann CLIFFORD Born: 1784 Hackney, London Fortunately they baptised all his 5 children on the same day 16 July 1817 Hackney St John All say fathers occupation 'Painter' His Daughter Emma Elizabeth Nelson said he was an Artist on her marriage cert in 1842 He died in 1863 still living at 2 Sheep Lane Hackney A removal order for his son Frederick and his wife Maria said he [Jonathan Frederick] lived at number 2 sheep lane for 35 years so that made it easier to find him in Hackney BUT Where was he born Jonathan Frederick NELSON UK Census - says 1841 census born 1781 Foreign parts - Occupation Painter 1851 census born: 1782 New York or Alderney Channel Islands - Occupation Artist 1861 census born: 1781 New York Occupation House Painter 1863 Died Hackney, London Be grateful if any one can help Thankyou In anticipation Jill

Many thanks to all those who have helped with this query , some have even sent more than one email. I now have a good basis to continue with this line. Thankyou to Sharron,Lyn, Ian, John, Janelle, Robyn and Stephanie. Chris Anderson in W.A.

Hello Jill, On the original 1851 Census it has Jonathan's birth place as Alderney New York & written above it say's British Subject; could the birth place be Albany New York? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Morley Sent: 07 June 2014 05:20 To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed please Good afternoon I have a puzzle and wonder if any one has the mean to help me solve it Jonathan Frederick NELSON - AKA Frederick NELSON - said he was an artist in 1851 census and born in New York or Alderney Channel Islands? [Why he says both New York and Alderney has got me beat] In 1861 - say he is a 'house painter born' in New York [nothings else] He married 26 August 1810 Hackney, London Ann CLIFFORD Born: 1784 Hackney, London Fortunately they baptised all his 5 children on the same day 16 July 1817 Hackney St John All say fathers occupation 'Painter' His Daughter Emma Elizabeth Nelson said he was an Artist on her marriage cert in 1842 He died in 1863 still living at 2 Sheep Lane Hackney A removal order for his son Frederick and his wife Maria said he [Jonathan Frederick] lived at number 2 sheep lane for 35 years so that made it easier to find him in Hackney BUT Where was he born Jonathan Frederick NELSON UK Census - says 1841 census born 1781 Foreign parts - Occupation Painter 1851 census born: 1782 New York or Alderney Channel Islands - Occupation Artist 1861 census born: 1781 New York Occupation House Painter 1863 Died Hackney, London Be grateful if any one can help Thankyou In anticipation Jill AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris On Ancestry there is:- MarriageWilfred Gordon WEBB to Dorothy Jane WILLIAMS in 1918 Tasmania Page # 0353 There is also electoral rolls for Wilfred in Tasmania stating he was a salesman living at 70 Albert Road, E., Moonah.  There is a Dorothy Jane WEBB, home duties, living at the same address.  This was for the year 1954. There is plenty more electoral rolls given for Wilfred. Regards Sharron McKay

Hi Yes it may mean he never saw overseas duties and stayed in Australia as a trainer or clerical staff soldier - these soldiers were sometimes ex Militia men who were already drilled in army style life so if he didn't actually join the Australian Military forces then he would have received no medals either nor would he be in the current lists until you approach the Archives to dig out his WWI records be they Militia or Army. Militia records are sadly lacking in South Australia but you may have better luck if that is the case Or they may just be lost or misfiled there are particular reference numbers for those records of men not going over seas I think. John H Day South Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Anderson Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2014 7:30 PM To: aus-sagen Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Wilfred Gordon WEBB, Help! Hoping some one can help out with this. Wilfred Gordon WEBB was born 7 Jan 1891, Redruth, Sth. Aust. to Samuel Houlton WEBB and Elizabeth nee PRATER, Samuel and Elizabeth moved to West. Aust.with their children, Two Brothers of Wilfred joined up WW1 they were Arthur Samuel WEBB b 1883 ,Clare Sth Aust. and Hurtle John WEBB b 1886 , Willow Plains Sth Aust. Hurtle joined up in W.A. but Arthur joined up in Tasmania lived Garben Rd Moonah, joined in 1915, occupation Clergyman, religion Baptist. Both Hurtle and Arthur survived the war and were returned to W.A. In 1917 Wilfred wrote a letter to the Melbourne Army Records enquiring about his two brothers, he wrote from the Hobart Military Pay Office and signed the letter Corp. Wilfred G WEBB. I have been unable to locate Wilfred on the WW1 National Archives (There was a Wilfred Peter WEBB, not him , I checked ) Does anyone have any theories on this? I have searched "Trove" Tasmania and in 1947 Wilfred Gordon WEBB was listed as what seems some sort of payroll, maybe union, as a hospital attendant of 70 Alberts Rd. Moonah. Australian Cemeteries site lists.. Wilfred Gordon WEBB cremated Derwent Gardens Cemetery Tasmania 26 Feb 1973 aged 82 yrs This must be him. I have searched all mainland marriages for Wilfred but have not located one. I do not have access to Tasmanian records but I am hoping has and maybe able to help. So In short I am hoping to locate a possible marriage for Wilfred and any children. Sorry this has been a little( a lot) long winded but I have looked for people on this list who have made enquiries and wished they had given more details. I also acknowledge that this is out of area for a Sth. Aust list but some one may have some Tasmanian records. Only other option is to see if our State library hold newspaper records for when Wilfred died and look for any death notices. Fellow Genie, Chris in West. Aust. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hoping some one can help out with this. Wilfred Gordon WEBB was born 7 Jan 1891, Redruth, Sth. Aust. to Samuel Houlton WEBB and Elizabeth nee PRATER, Samuel and Elizabeth moved to West. Aust.with their children, Two Brothers of Wilfred joined up WW1 they were Arthur Samuel WEBB b 1883 ,Clare Sth Aust. and Hurtle John WEBB b 1886 , Willow Plains Sth Aust. Hurtle joined up in W.A. but Arthur joined up in Tasmania lived Garben Rd Moonah, joined in 1915, occupation Clergyman, religion Baptist. Both Hurtle and Arthur survived the war and were returned to W.A. In 1917 Wilfred wrote a letter to the Melbourne Army Records enquiring about his two brothers, he wrote from the Hobart Military Pay Office and signed the letter Corp. Wilfred G WEBB. I have been unable to locate Wilfred on the WW1 National Archives (There was a Wilfred Peter WEBB, not him , I checked ) Does anyone have any theories on this? I have searched “Trove” Tasmania and in 1947 Wilfred Gordon WEBB was listed as what seems some sort of payroll, maybe union, as a hospital attendant of 70 Alberts Rd. Moonah. Australian Cemeteries site lists.. Wilfred Gordon WEBB cremated Derwent Gardens Cemetery Tasmania 26 Feb 1973 aged 82 yrs This must be him. I have searched all mainland marriages for Wilfred but have not located one. I do not have access to Tasmanian records but I am hoping has and maybe able to help. So In short I am hoping to locate a possible marriage for Wilfred and any children. Sorry this has been a little( a lot) long winded but I have looked for people on this list who have made enquiries and wished they had given more details. I also acknowledge that this is out of area for a Sth. Aust list but some one may have some Tasmanian records. Only other option is to see if our State library hold newspaper records for when Wilfred died and look for any death notices. Fellow Genie, Chris in West. Aust.

Hi Helen, Vic Deaths George Wingrove MORRIS died 1934 at NCOTE. Aged 78 years. Father Peter MORRIS. Mother. Esther Adelaide SAVAGE. Vic Death Reg No. 9793. Kind regards, Judy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of frank and gail garreffa Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2014 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] AUS-SAGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 91 Hello Helen There is a George Wingrove Morris buried on 31/10/1934 at Fawkner Cemetery in Victoria.  http://www.gmct.com.au/ Also if you google that name there is a reference on ancientfaces.com to this name born 1856 died 1934 with parents names.  Might be your man. Hope this helps. Kind regards Gail. From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2014 5:00 PM >Subject: AUS-SAGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 91 > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- > > >Today's Topics: > >  1. George Wingrrove MORRIS (Helen Carter) >George Wingrove MORRIS m.1887 at Broken Hill, Mary Johanna Cassimar LACEY >1892 he is convicted and jailed for 17 months in Adelaide for unlawful conversion of property >he then disappears >1903 wife remarries >1917 sons' newspaper marriage notice says son of the late G W MORRIS,  >no death registration found >he does use the name George Wingrove BRADLEY in 1892 > >If he died in jail in SA would his death be registered as usual and where would he be buried > >Helen   > > >To contact the AUS-SAGEN list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the AUS-SAGEN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Helen There is a George Wingrove Morris buried on 31/10/1934 at Fawkner Cemetery in Victoria.  http://www.gmct.com.au/ Also if you google that name there is a reference on ancientfaces.com to this name born 1856 died 1934 with parents names.  Might be your man. Hope this helps. Kind regards Gail. From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2014 5:00 PM >Subject: AUS-SAGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 91 > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- > > >Today's Topics: > >  1. George Wingrrove MORRIS (Helen Carter) >George Wingrove MORRIS m.1887 at Broken Hill, Mary Johanna Cassimar LACEY >1892 he is convicted and jailed for 17 months in Adelaide for unlawful conversion of property >he then disappears >1903 wife remarries >1917 sons' newspaper marriage notice says son of the late G W MORRIS,  >no death registration found >he does use the name George Wingrove BRADLEY in 1892 > >If he died in jail in SA would his death be registered as usual and where would he be buried > >Helen   > > >To contact the AUS-SAGEN list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the AUS-SAGEN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >

I meant to write I have found her listed in my research but I don't know if she is still alive. "Senior Moment on my behalf" Sheelagh

Can anyone tell me if Bridget Agnes Imelda NUGENT has died she would be about 94 if she is still alive I have found her but I don't know where she would be living if she is still alive Sheelagh

George Wingrove MORRIS m.1887 at Broken Hill, Mary Johanna Cassimar LACEY 1892 he is convicted and jailed for 17 months in Adelaide for unlawful conversion of property he then disappears 1903 wife remarries 1917 sons' newspaper marriage notice says son of the late G W MORRIS,  no death registration found he does use the name George Wingrove BRADLEY in 1892 If he died in jail in SA would his death be registered as usual and where would he be buried Helen  

Sent Elsie's death to Helen, and husband was Leslie.. -----Original Message----- From: Helen Carter Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 6:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] death query I've found 2 people buried together at Waikerie What is there relationship if any MADDIGAN Elsie Maude d.1967 59 yrs ?? 2nd wife of Leslie Edward MADDIGAN ? nee MORGAN or was this a previous married name Joyce MORGAN d.1951 28 yrs ? is this a child of Elsie Maude Leslie Edward MADDIGAN d.1986 & is buried at Dudley Park with his first wife and third or last wife Dorothy named on his headstone (she was alive at the time) Can someone please lookup the deaths of these 2 Helen AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've found 2 people buried together at Waikerie What is there relationship if any MADDIGAN Elsie Maude d.1967 59 yrs ?? 2nd wife of Leslie Edward MADDIGAN ? nee MORGAN or was this a previous married name Joyce MORGAN d.1951 28 yrs ? is this a child of Elsie Maude Leslie Edward MADDIGAN d.1986 & is buried at Dudley Park with his first wife and third or last wife Dorothy named on his headstone (she was alive at the time) Can someone please lookup the deaths of these 2 Helen