I am sorry if you people cannot read I am not mad at any person I am mad at the show itself and the so called facts READ My letter Jill

Sorry to disagree with you Jill but I thought it was wonderful and very moving. These things happened in those days when there were so few white settlers here, and although Walter didn't appear on the child's birth certificate he raised the child as his own, since the child's mother was his wife. Do you know that Adam Goods hasn't had a DNA test?  Or any of his many cousins who also descend from Walter Hughes? Merilyn     ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & J MORLEY" To:"AUS - SAGEN" Cc: Sent:Wed, 13 Aug 2014 06:45:06 +0930 Subject:[AUS-SAGEN] What is Family History After last night episode of 'Who do you think you are' I can only say - Poppy cock to the - Walter Watson Hughes - I do not not believe this and if the Adelaide museum wants to try and palm this bit of rubbish as Family History then what the heck do they have in their collection - who can believe the museum now? Have they heard of DNA I have just about had enough of that show and the bull they are pushing to the public History should be the TRUTH Did you see that chart - it began with Walter - and an unknown lady then a baby that later said of his marriage cert his father was Tommy the King I wonder if this poor chap will have a DNA test - There are plenty of Relatives of Walter Watson HUGHES alive today? [His brothers children] Humbug One other thing I saw on Ancestry.com - Rob Lowe The Actor wanted to know about his X 5 grandfather who he thought fought for America in the War of Independence Ancestry.com announced to Rob one day although his decedent was Swiss [or somewhere in Europe] and was employed but England to fight against American in the War of Independence - so he was not in the Sons [or daughters] of the Revolution museum - but alas he later sold cloth to the American Army - so now he is in the Sons of the Revolution - REALLY are we stupid - if Rob believed that he is? - He sold cloth to some soldiers - after he was let out of Jail and he is now a hero? CLOTH- PLEASE let sanity Rule with Family History - the trouble is people believe this? Tommy the King of Aboriginals and at least 5 others were given annuities from the mine for their part in the discovery - not for taking on a child For helping to discover Copper Ore deposits and making the Yorke Pen Copper district, at one time the richest in the world - opps they forgot to say that If you are wondering why I am sending this to the list it is because we are all doing trees and I for one are sick of people making things up - if there is not proof it is not history We are not writing novels we are recording history - our History Jill AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After last night episode of 'Who do you think you are' I can only say - Poppy cock to the - Walter Watson Hughes - I do not not believe this and if the Adelaide museum wants to try and palm this bit of rubbish as Family History then what the heck do they have in their collection - who can believe the museum now? Have they heard of DNA I have just about had enough of that show and the bull they are pushing to the public History should be the TRUTH Did you see that chart - it began with Walter - and an unknown lady then a baby that later said of his marriage cert his father was Tommy the King I wonder if this poor chap will have a DNA test - There are plenty of Relatives of Walter Watson HUGHES alive today? [His brothers children] Humbug One other thing I saw on Ancestry.com - Rob Lowe The Actor wanted to know about his X 5 grandfather who he thought fought for America in the War of Independence Ancestry.com announced to Rob one day although his decedent was Swiss [or somewhere in Europe] and was employed but England to fight against American in the War of Independence - so he was not in the Sons [or daughters] of the Revolution museum - but alas he later sold cloth to the American Army - so now he is in the Sons of the Revolution - REALLY are we stupid - if Rob believed that he is? - He sold cloth to some soldiers - after he was let out of Jail and he is now a hero? CLOTH- PLEASE let sanity Rule with Family History - the trouble is people believe this? Tommy the King of Aboriginals and at least 5 others were given annuities from the mine for their part in the discovery - not for taking on a child For helping to discover Copper Ore deposits and making the Yorke Pen Copper district, at one time the richest in the world - opps they forgot to say that If you are wondering why I am sending this to the list it is because we are all doing trees and I for one are sick of people making things up - if there is not proof it is not history. We are not writing novels we are recording history - our History Jill

Hi Lyn, Oh thank you for taking the time to send through all those, with a surname like Smith especially! I actually just need the deaths of a Thomas Smith though. I'm trying to narrow down the amount of Thomas Smith death certificates I need to order so I can find the right one, at the moment I'm at about 6 certificates from the index on the South Australia genealogy site but they don't give ages so I'm hoping to narrow it down a little more so it's not quite so expensive! He was born around 1825 and I think he died either in 1886 or 1903. He would have been about 61 years of age in 1886 and about 78 in 1903. I think his death would be in the Adelaide or Norwood districts. Thanks, Tam -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lyn" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:09 PM To: "tam smith" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] death look up please 1886 and 1903 > Here are a few more > happy hunting > Lyn > > Digger - South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Roy Sydney Thomas > Date: 1894-07-30 > Sex: M > Father: Charles SMITH > Mother: Agnes VOS > Birth Place/Residence: Port Adelaide > District Code: PtA > Symbol: > Book: 548 > Page: 325 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Francis Rodney Thomas > Date: 1894-09-12 > Sex: M > Father: Francis SMITH > Mother: Elizabeth Susan Jane WHITFIELD > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 550 > Page: 176 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Edward > Date: 1894-10-08 > Sex: M > Father: Ambrose William SMITH > Mother: Catherine CRAWFORD > Birth Place/Residence: Ardrossan > District Code: Dal > Symbol: > Book: 550 > Page: 333 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Telford > Date: 1895-04-24 > Sex: M > Father: James SMITH > Mother: Mary TELFORD > Birth Place/Residence: Glenburnie > District Code: Gre > Symbol: > Book: 563 > Page: 307 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Hayes > Date: 1895-06-09 > Sex: M > Father: Thomas SMITH > Mother: Annie HAYES > Birth Place/Residence: Norwood > District Code: Nor > Symbol: > Book: 564 > Page: 146 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Terence > Date: 1895-07-10 > Sex: M > Father: Thomas SMITH > Mother: Catherine Agnes REID > Birth Place/Residence: Yarrowie > District Code: Fro > Symbol: > Book: 567 > Page: 156 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Nemisis > Date: 1895-12-19 > Sex: M > Father: Phillip SMITH > Mother: Annie RIELLY > Birth Place/Residence: Black Rock > District Code: Fro > Symbol: > Book: 577 > Page: 22 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Muriel Sophia Thomas Cockerill > Date: 1896-03-01 > Sex: F > Father: Frederick Thomas Cockerill SMITH > Mother: Sophia GASMIER > Birth Place/Residence: Saddleworth > District Code: Gil > Symbol: > Book: 580 > Page: 306 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Henry > Date: 1896-06-21 > Sex: M > Father: Thomas Henry SMITH > Mother: Ada SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Clare > District Code: Cla > Symbol: > Book: 584 > Page: 212 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas William > Date: 1897-11-18 > Sex: M > Father: Charles SMITH > Mother: Maria Jane LEADER > Birth Place/Residence: Snowtown > District Code: Dal > Symbol: > Book: 614 > Page: 178 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Gladys Mary Thomas > Date: 1898-01-27 > Sex: F > Father: Robert SMITH > Mother: Elizabeth THOMAS > Birth Place/Residence: Sandwell > District Code: PtA > Symbol: > Book: 616 > Page: 263 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Arthur Thomas > Date: 1899-02-20 > Sex: M > Father: William George SMITH > Mother: Esther Alfreda HUTCHESSON > Birth Place/Residence: Port MacDonnell > District Code: Gre > Symbol: > Book: 636 > Page: 51 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas George > Date: 1900-06-17 > Sex: M > Father: Frederick SMITH > Mother: Harriet WHILMSHURST > Birth Place/Residence: Walkerville > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 660 > Page: 429 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Charles Thomas Vivian > Date: 1901-11-14 > Sex: M > Father: Charles Elijah SMITH > Mother: Olive Blanche SELWYN > Birth Place/Residence: Port Pirie > District Code: Cla > Symbol: > Book: 685 > Page: 437 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Henry Thomas > Date: 1902-01-18 > Sex: M > Father: Alfred SMITH > Mother: Mary Agnes WILLS > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 688 > Page: 335 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Bruce > Date: 1903-06-15 > Sex: M > Father: Thomas SMITH > Mother: Bertha SNOWLING > Birth Place/Residence: Parkside > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 714 > Page: 342 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Edward Thomas > Date: 1904-02-15 > Sex: M > Father: William SMITH > Mother: Rachel MCCONNELL > Birth Place/Residence: Port Pirie > District Code: Cla > Symbol: > Book: 725 > Page: 207 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas George > Date: 1904-05-29 > Sex: M > Father: Thomas Bonnington SMITH > Mother: Laura Ann WICKER > Birth Place/Residence: Firle > District Code: Nor > Symbol: > Book: 729 > Page: 382 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: David Thomas Edward > Date: 1904-06-04 > Sex: M > Father: Joseph SMITH > Mother: Eliza Ann PARSONS > Birth Place/Residence: Lancelot > District Code: Fro > Symbol: > Book: 729 > Page: 329 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas > Date: 1904-06-15 > Sex: M > Father: Thomas Edward SMITH > Mother: Naomi HALL > Birth Place/Residence: Petersburg > District Code: Fro > Symbol: M > Book: 731 > Page: 155 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: William Charles Thomas > Date: 1904-10-08 > Sex: M > Father: Gilbert Charles SMITH > Mother: Grace Kerkland PEARSON > Birth Place/Residence: Island Port Pirie > District Code: Cla > Symbol: > Book: 737 > Page: 394 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas Gilbert > Date: 1904-11-21 > Sex: M > Father: Francis James SMITH > Mother: Fanny Emma SIVIOUR > Birth Place/Residence: Stockport > District Code: Gil > Symbol: > Book: 739 > Page: 350 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Edwin Thomas > Date: 1905-02-16 > Sex: M > Father: William Thomas SMITH > Mother: Mabel Esther PEGLER > Birth Place/Residence: Norwood > District Code: Nor > Symbol: > Book: 742 > Page: 391 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Thomas James > Date: 1906-01-08 > Sex: M > Father: Joseph Henry SMITH > Mother: Mary DOYLE > Birth Place/Residence: Kingston > District Code: Wel > Symbol: > Book: 759 > Page: 98 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: William Thomas Cockerill > Date: 1906-03-28 > Sex: M > Father: Edward John SMITH > Mother: Martha Maud MILTON > Birth Place/Residence: Port Wakefield > District Code: Gil > Symbol: > Book: 763 > Page: 197 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Stanley Thomas > Date: 1906-06-03 > Sex: M > Father: (not recorded) > Mother: Alice SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Melrose > District Code: Fro > Symbol: X > Book: 766 > Page: 435 > Cross Reference: See also: BISHOP Stanley Thomas > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Harold Thomas > Date: 1906-10-20 > Sex: M > Father: (not recorded) > Mother: Florence Pearl SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 772 > Page: 267 > Cross Reference: > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "tam smith via" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:16 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] death look up please 1886 and 1903 > >> Hello, >> I just wanted to try and narrow down my death certificate order in >> looking for a possible ancestor. >> >> His name was Thomas Smith (wife who had died before him was Louisa), he >> was born circa 1825. >> >> There are a few deaths for Thomas Smith in 1886 (2 or 3) and a death in >> 1903. They were living in the Adelaide or Norwood districts I believe. >> >> Are there ages in the index's listers have which might help me narrow it >> down some so it's not too expensive an order? >> >> He would have been about 61 in 1886 and about 78 in 1903. >> >> Thank you so much, >> Tam >> AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ >> >> Websites of Interest on our Blog: >> http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Corrected and resent: In the 1851 census Sarah Hooker, abt 14 y.o. (so born abt. 1837) , appears to be the sister-in-law in Gt. Gaddesden with the family of William & Mary Ann Butterfield; so Mary Ann, b. abt 1828, must have been her sister. There are two children with that family, born abt 1849 & 1850, so one would expect they married abt 1848. In fact Mary Ann Hooker aged abt 20 years married William Butterfield 25 Dec 1847 Gt. Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, her father Henry Hooker (FHL Film number 1537873) In 1861 she appears to be the Sarah Hooker in Caddington, Hertfordshire, b.abt 1837 at Bridens Camp, Hertfordshire (nearby Gt Gaddesden), servant with the Goodyear family. Sarah Hooker, b.abt 1838 appears to be she who married Philip Duncombe 9 Jun 1864 Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire, her father Henry Hooker (FHL Film number 1042387) I found evidence of a just seven children of Sarah & Eliza Hooker born in Gt. Gaddesden, but no sign of Sarah's baptism (?): Amelia bapt 15 Sep 1833; Emma bapt 22 Mar 1840; Ann bapt 8 Nov 1835; Susan bapt 23 Oct 1831; William bapt 13 Feb 1842; Mary Ann bapt 8 Aug 1827 (she who married William Butterfield); Charlotte bapt 27 Dec 1829 Gt. Gaddesden belonged to the Hemel Hempstead registration district, so Sarah's birth is most likely that registered 1Q 1838 Hemel Hempstead 6_453. **You'll need to order that birth certificate to be sure.** (I had a good look to see if I could find Sarah's baptism in Gt Gaddesden or the surrounding parishes, perhaps with her surname mis-transcribed, or perhaps baptized years later, but didn't find anything.) That family, Henry through to Emma, are in Great Gaddesden in the 1841 census, on the first page of District 7, with an interesting address 'Old Kill'. (Bridens Camp is on the next page.) In 1851 it seems Sarah was captured twice by the enumerators, once with her sister (ie. the Butterfields), then again at home with her mother & siblings (and grandmother) at 57 Gaddesden Row: Eliza Hooker widow, straw platter, b. abt 1807; Anne Hooker daughter b. abt 1836; Sarah Hooker, daughter b. abt 1838; Emma Hooker, daughter born abt 1840, Charlott Mitchel, mother, b.abt 1779 (out of county), William Lovett, son-in-law b. abt 1827, Charlotte Lovett, daughter b. abt 1830. Henry Hooker married Eliza Mitchel (sic) 18 Feb 1827 Redbourne, Hertfordshire (FHL File No 991319) Elizar (sic) Mitchel was baptised 15 Jun 1806 Great Gaddisden, daughter of William Mitchel & Charlotta (FHL Film no 1537873) rgds, Barry

A very big thankyou ro Robyn, for all your help...What would we all do without it ... very much appreciated.And also to all the other kind people who give so freely of their time. We are very lucky on the website. Regards Leonie

Good Morning can anyone tell me of there is a web site that may have a picture of a monument in Mount Gambier in 1875 this is what it looks like according to the newspapers? Or indeed if any one has a photo of this monument? ---- The BUCHAN Monument— 'The monument to the memory of Mary Julia Buchan, was was murdered by William Page, has now been erected in the Mount Gambier Cemetery,' reports the Watch of November 20. 'It is a very hand- some and appropriate structure, and in every way a credit to the taste of the Committee who selected it and the sculptor who executed the order (Mr. J. Hanson, Melbourne). It is com- posed of a very pretty grey stone, with marble mountings and panels. There are two basement courses, on which are set the die with the marble panels. Over this is a cap on which is placed the marble base of the shaft, which rises over all to the height of about 14 feet. The shaft is surmounted by a floral finial. The whole thing has a chaste and effective appearance. The front panel bears the following inscription:— 'Erected by the ladies of Mount Gambier to the memory of Mary Julia Buchan, aged 19 years, who fell a victim to the hands of an assassin 11th July, 1875. On the back panel is the following verse: — ' ' Our days are as the grass, Or like the morning flower; If one sharp blast sweep o'er the field It withers in an hour.' The two side panels have the following passages of Scripture: — 'For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil.' ' There is but a step between us and death.' 'Be ye also ready, for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh.' ' Sudden Death.— ---- I would very much like a picture and live in Kadina so it is a little hard to go there? I am not even sure if is still standing?? Thankyou Jill Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY [email protected]

Hello, I just wanted to try and narrow down my death certificate order in looking for a possible ancestor. His name was Thomas Smith (wife who had died before him was Louisa), he was born circa 1825. There are a few deaths for Thomas Smith in 1886 (2 or 3) and a death in 1903. They were living in the Adelaide or Norwood districts I believe. Are there ages in the index's listers have which might help me narrow it down some so it's not too expensive an order? He would have been about 61 in 1886 and about 78 in 1903. Thank you so much, Tam

This list is a fantastic place. Many thanks for all the help and suggestions to track down my McKenzie in NZ from so many listers. I feel much more hopeful! -- *Sue Sifa*

Hi Mary Ann! Thank you! Well that must be why I can't find their birth dates in my notes :( The last one you sent (Mary 1880) is definitely one of the three children (my ancestor) and the others were to another couple by the same names. Its strange that Mary was registered but the other two weren't, I'd REALLY like their birth certificates for information! Was it usual for Catholics to not register births? I wasn't aware of that, Thanks again, Tam -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Ann Minor" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 9:23 PM To: "'tam smith'" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [AUS-SAGEN] birth look up please 1881 and 1885 > Hi Tam, > > Haven't seen any postings from you for ages. I can find a John COLLINS > to > these parents but born 1885 - can't see anything there for 1881 at > all....copying all these parents to you anyway. I suspect that if your > COLLINS children aren't there, they have been missed out on the > transcription, not registered which was quite usual with Catholic births. > You might need to get in contact with the Catholic Archives. Can't see > anything for Catherine. > > Regards > Mary Ann > > Digger - South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS > > > Query > ----- > Surname : collins (935 matches) > Father : john (68507 matches) > Mother : mary (72032 matches) > > Total matching records: 42 > -------------------- > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Alice Eileen > Date: 1894-11-07 > Sex: F > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 552 > Page: 487 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Andrew > Date: 1886-12-15 > Sex: M > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 386 > Page: 202 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Christopher Augustin > Date: 1889-02-02 > Sex: M > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 430 > Page: 394 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Hugh Kevin > Date: 1898-12-06 > Sex: M > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 631 > Page: 388 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: John > Date: 1885-03-31 > Sex: M > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 358 > Page: 55 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Kathleen Gertrude > Date: 1893-02-28 > Sex: F > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 517 > Page: 454 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Mary Elizabeth > Date: 1890-12-06 > Sex: F > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: > Book: 470 > Page: 206 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Veronica > Date: 1900-12-11 > Sex: F > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: M > Book: 667 > Page: 428 > Cross Reference: > > Surname: COLLINS > Given Names: Vincent > Date: 1900-12-11 > Sex: M > Father: John William COLLINS > Mother: Mary Ann SMITH > Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide > District Code: Ade > Symbol: M > Book: 667 > Page: 428 > Cross Reference: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of tam smith via > Sent: Monday, 11 August 2014 8:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] birth look up please 1881 and 1885 > > Hello, > I'm trying to organise all my notes at the moment and I've misplaced a > couple of births for my family. I tried to find them on ancestry and > using > the online SA index but there weren't any matches, very strange. > > I know their birth years as they were christened/baptised in the Catholic > Church (I have also lost one of those dates!) and I had someone look that > up > for me a few years ago, but I'd like to order the birth certificates and > I'm > confused about why I can't find them! > > Their names were: > JOHN COLLINS son of John Collins and Mary Smith born 1881 CATHERINE > COLLINS > daughter of John Collins and Mary Smith born 1885 > > Should be the Adelaide district I imagine for both of them as they were > living in the Mitcham area. > > Thank you, > Tam > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello, I'm trying to organise all my notes at the moment and I've misplaced a couple of births for my family. I tried to find them on ancestry and using the online SA index but there weren't any matches, very strange. I know their birth years as they were christened/baptised in the Catholic Church (I have also lost one of those dates!) and I had someone look that up for me a few years ago, but I'd like to order the birth certificates and I'm confused about why I can't find them! Their names were: JOHN COLLINS son of John Collins and Mary Smith born 1881 CATHERINE COLLINS daughter of John Collins and Mary Smith born 1885 Should be the Adelaide district I imagine for both of them as they were living in the Mitcham area. Thank you, Tam

Hi Sue and Andrew I found this - it may help https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/New_Zealand,_Archives_New_Zealand,_Probate_Records_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records) Robyn

If a person dies estate and the estate is significant enough to require a legal process to wind it up, next of kin or someone else (e.g. Public Trustee) have to apply to the Probate Court for Letters of Administation. The document indicates the name and details of the deceased individual and the name of the Administrator and generally their connection to the deceased and possibly the value of the estate. Whether an inventory is still available will depend upon the Probate Court. In SA this record doesn't exist, but it does for example in Victoria. Andrew Peake On 11/08/2014, Sue Sifa via <[email protected]om> wrote: > Thanks to Robyn for pointing me towards Papers Past. I found the clearing > sail for my William McKenzie. Now I'm wondering if someone dies intestate > would there be a probate or similar document that might tell me more about > him? > thanks > Sue > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Robyn Coates <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Sue >> Try Papers Past: >> http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast >> >> Happy hunting >> >> Robyn >> >> > > > -- > *Sue Sifa* > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Andrew G Peake

Thank you everyone It was my fault I had the page on 125 precent and could not see the bottom? and after all that I could not find a marriage any way? Life goes on Jill Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY [email protected] O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterborne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org FREE RESEARCH - http://jillmorley.wix.com/free-research .....,'~._|\, ,/Australia\ \_,-----\*,_,/ .............*...

----- Original Message ----- From: "[email protected] via" <[email protected]> To: "Morley" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] NSW records > Morning Jill > > I found if you put a question mark ? In the fields you do not > know it seems > to work. Hi Lynne Try a * ............ aka wild card search has been restored Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: D & J MORLEY via > Date: 08/11/14 09:43:12 > To: AUS - SAGEN > Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] NSW records > > Good Morning - can anyone tell me what happened to the NSW Gov > BDM search > engine > where we could at least see if our people were there before we > bought a > cert? > There used to be a way we could search? now it appears they > have changed it > and will not give us anything unless we know all the details? > Do they realise if we knew all the details - they would not be > needed? > Frustrated > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > .....,'~._|\, > ,/Australia\ > \_,-----\*,_,/ > .............*... > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8010 - Release > Date: 08/10/14 >

Jill If you enter "marriage" then scroll down to the box that says "date of event range" click on arrow and change it to "yes" and you can enter a date range. Lynne -------Original Message------- From: D & J MORLEY via Date: 08/11/14 10:22:07 To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Fw: Marriages Though you might like to read this rubbish from the NSW Gov site Still useless you still have to know the exact date to search? I ask you what happened to the search engine where at least you could put a year range to see if they were Born Married or Died there? If anyone is using this and can tell me where else to look that would be great? Jill Good Morning, Apologies for the inconvenience. The Family History Search has moved since 17 July 2014. If you have any bookmarks (favourites) on your browser please update them to the following link: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html Please refer to the new Family History homepage for updates. We will continue to update this page as improvements are made. (Embedded image moved to file: pic11478.gif) Regards, eRegistry Support - LifeLink | NSW Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages | Department of Justice Email: [email protected] | Phone: 02 9035 6336 consent to the monitoring and recording of that correspondence. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Though you might like to read this rubbish from the NSW Gov site Still useless you still have to know the exact date to search? I ask you what happened to the search engine where at least you could put a year range to see if they were Born Married or Died there? If anyone is using this and can tell me where else to look that would be great? Jill Good Morning, Apologies for the inconvenience. The Family History Search has moved since 17 July 2014. If you have any bookmarks (favourites) on your browser please update them to the following link: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html Please refer to the new Family History homepage for updates. We will continue to update this page as improvements are made. (Embedded image moved to file: pic11478.gif) Regards, eRegistry Support - LifeLink | NSW Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages | Department of Justice Email: [email protected] | Phone: 02 9035 6336 consent to the monitoring and recording of that correspondence.

Morning Jill I found if you put a question mark ? In the fields you do not know it seems to work. Lynne -------Original Message------- From: D & J MORLEY via Date: 08/11/14 09:43:12 To: AUS - SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] NSW records Good Morning - can anyone tell me what happened to the NSW Gov BDM search engine where we could at least see if our people were there before we bought a cert? There used to be a way we could search? now it appears they have changed it and will not give us anything unless we know all the details? Do they realise if we knew all the details - they would not be needed? Frustrated Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY .....,'~._|\, ,/Australia\ \_,-----\*,_,/ .............*... AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning - can anyone tell me what happened to the NSW Gov BDM search engine where we could at least see if our people were there before we bought a cert? There used to be a way we could search? now it appears they have changed it and will not give us anything unless we know all the details? Do they realise if we knew all the details - they would not be needed? Frustrated Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY .....,'~._|\, ,/Australia\ \_,-----\*,_,/ .............*...

Thanks to Robyn for pointing me towards Papers Past. I found the clearing sail for my William McKenzie. Now I'm wondering if someone dies intestate would there be a probate or similar document that might tell me more about him? thanks Sue On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Robyn Coates <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sue > Try Papers Past: > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast > > Happy hunting > > Robyn > > -- *Sue Sifa*