Dear Sheelagh How long ago is this? Here in Victoria, still births had to be notified but didn't have to be registered until the 1950s I think. I would check with the local cemetery. Browsing cemetery record registers, one often comes across a stillborn burial, often in a communal grave. My mother-in-law had a still born child, many years ago and whilst there is a record of it at the cemetery, there is UKLOC - unknown location - recorded. Doesn't help the grief of the people you are dealing with, but just a suggestion Robyn Sent from my iPad > On 12 Oct 2014, at 6:21 pm, Sheelagh Wiles via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have been asked to look for a grave of a still born baby. > The mother never saw the baby after it was born but she remembers seeing the police man, leaving the hospital not long after the birth with a parcel under his arm. > She does not know if the parcel was the baby or not but they were not given the baby to bury. > Strange story I know. I do have more details but I have to be careful also. > The baby was not name but they have the name they wanted to use. > They also know the police mans name and the hospital the baby born and date the the baby was born. > > Is there anyway I can help these people pleas > > > Sheelagh > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Probably buried at West Terrace Cemetery, with simply the surname as the identifier in the burial register. Andrew Peake On 12 October 2014 19:26, Tom Perrett via <[email protected]> wrote: > It was quite common an undertaker to take such scraps and slip them in > with another burial that they > happened to be doing. > > Tom > > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:51:53 +1100, Robyn Coates via wrote: > > >Dear Sheelagh > >How long ago is this? > >Here in Victoria, still births had to be notified but didn't have to be > registered until the 1950s I think. > >I would check with the local cemetery. > >Browsing cemetery record registers, one often comes across a stillborn > burial, often in a communal grave. > >My mother-in-law had a still born child, many years ago and whilst there > is a record of it at the cemetery, > there is UKLOC - unknown location - recorded. > >Doesn't help the grief of the people you are dealing with, but just a > suggestion > >Robyn > > > > > > > >Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 12 Oct 2014, at 6:21 pm, Sheelagh Wiles via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> I have been asked to look for a grave of a still born baby. > >> The mother never saw the baby after it was born but she remembers > seeing the police man, leaving the > hospital not long after the birth with a parcel under his arm. > >> She does not know if the parcel was the baby or not but they were not > given the baby to bury. > >> Strange story I know. I do have more details but I have to be careful > also. > >> The baby was not name but they have the name they wanted to use. > >> They also know the police mans name and the hospital the baby born and > date the the baby was born. > >> > >> Is there anyway I can help these people pleas > >> > >> > >> Sheelagh > >> > >> > >> AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > >> > >> Websites of Interest on our Blog: > >> http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > > >Websites of Interest on our Blog: > >http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Andrew G Peake

What an extremely sad story. Sheelagh, surely she has the right to know what happened to the baby via the hospital records. The baby should have had a proper burial even if it was stillborn. There should also have been a birth or at least a burial record.. If they cant get this from the hospital, funeral people, or the police then possibly she should consult a legal person. I would have thought there would be a cost for burial, so some one must have paid somewhere along the line. If a small town the council burial register may prove helpful too. Even the minister of the local church may be able to help. Ros On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Sheelagh Wiles via <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been asked to look for a grave of a still born baby. > The mother never saw the baby after it was born but she remembers seeing > the police man, leaving the hospital not long after the birth with a > parcel under his arm. > She does not know if the parcel was the baby or not but they were not > given the baby to bury. > Strange story I know. I do have more details but I have to be careful also. > The baby was not name but they have the name they wanted to use. > They also know the police mans name and the hospital the baby born and > date the the baby was born. > > Is there anyway I can help these people pleas > > > Sheelagh > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been asked to look for a grave of a still born baby. The mother never saw the baby after it was born but she remembers seeing the police man, leaving the hospital not long after the birth with a parcel under his arm. She does not know if the parcel was the baby or not but they were not given the baby to bury. Strange story I know. I do have more details but I have to be careful also. The baby was not name but they have the name they wanted to use. They also know the police mans name and the hospital the baby born and date the the baby was born. Is there anyway I can help these people pleas Sheelagh

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my enquiry. I think I they have been found under different surnames. Thanks again. Paula

Checked for Paula, But sorry no Hits, Paula. Judy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paula Maslin via Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2014 10:14 AM To: South Australian Gen Group Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Penny deaths 1855/1856 Hi listers Just wondering if sks could please search the CDs for the following deaths, the burials of which have been passed onto me from Hindmarsh Cemetery. PENNY, Charles Henry, Oct 1856, Bowden PENNY, William, 13.1.1855, Hindmarsh I have looked on GenealogySA, but nothing is coming up for these two people. Thanking you in anticipation Paula AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers Just wondering if sks could please search the CDs for the following deaths, the burials of which have been passed onto me from Hindmarsh Cemetery. PENNY, Charles Henry, Oct 1856, Bowden PENNY, William, 13.1.1855, Hindmarsh I have looked on GenealogySA, but nothing is coming up for these two people. Thanking you in anticipation Paula

I have sent Paula the Elizabeth PENNEY ( spelling ) death in 1860. Showed Upper Light her Residence and Death Place. Regards, Judy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paula Maslin via Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2014 5:57 PM To: South Australian Gen Group Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Thomas & Elizabeth Penny/Penney Hi Listers I am trying to find information about a Thomas Penny & Elizabeth nee Goble. They appeared to come to Sth Aust in 1838 aboard the Eden with their 3 or 4 Children. They were married 9 Oct 1824 in Sussex, England. >From searching the online database of GenealogySA, I have come across what Looks to be two Thomas & Elizabeth Pennys living in the Gilbert District. The Elizabeth death of 1915 I know isn't my lady as trove articles point to Her being a Bradshaw, & there is a marriage for Thomas Penny & Elizabeth Bradshaw in 1858. There is another Elizabeth death for 1860 with husband Thomas - I am Thinking this might be her, but there doesn't seem to be anything on Trove To point to where they might be in Gilbert. Could sks please look up on the CDs to see if there is anything about Possible town of death. Any information would be most appreciated. Regards Paula AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers I am trying to find information about a Thomas Penny & Elizabeth nee Goble. They appeared to come to Sth Aust in 1838 aboard the Eden with their 3 or 4 Children. They were married 9 Oct 1824 in Sussex, England. >From searching the online database of GenealogySA, I have come across what Looks to be two Thomas & Elizabeth Pennys living in the Gilbert District. The Elizabeth death of 1915 I know isn't my lady as trove articles point to Her being a Bradshaw, & there is a marriage for Thomas Penny & Elizabeth Bradshaw in 1858. There is another Elizabeth death for 1860 with husband Thomas - I am Thinking this might be her, but there doesn't seem to be anything on Trove To point to where they might be in Gilbert. Could sks please look up on the CDs to see if there is anything about Possible town of death. Any information would be most appreciated. Regards Paula

Hi All, Wondering if any Lister is researching the following Family at all? William GIBSON b abt 1856 the son of John GIBSON , William Married Janet THOMSON on 7-11-1882 at the Wesleyan Parsonage , Maitland S A. She was aged 17 and he was aged 26 yrs. They lived the rest of their lives at Port Victoria S A.and both buried there. Their Children all born at Port Victoria S A. were: Robert Gibson b 1882 Married " Died Buried ? William GIBSON b 1885 Married maybe Daisy E maiden name unknown. Both Buried next to each other at Pt Victoria Cemetery. Hugh Allan GIBSON may have married 13-3-1920 at Wallaroo. S.A. to Florence May SANDERS She died 1945 buried Wallaroo and He died 1973 buried Centennial Park. S.A. He was in WW2. John ' JACK' GIBSON b 1888 never married fought WW1 and died of wounds in France buried France. Died 18-8-1916. George GIBSON b 1893 Married Jane Nathalia GORDON in 1922. James GIBSON b 1895 Died 1919 never married. Janet Gibson b 1898 Married Herbert HOLDING in 1918 one child Marjorie Jean. Herb died of T B in 1923 and Marjorie Jean died 1934 also of T B. Janet Holding Nee Gibson remarried Winham Ernest STEHBENS b 1891 Edithburgh S A they married at St Alban's C of E Church ( now called Anglican ) Pt Victoria on 18-4-1928. Both are buried at Pt Victoria. Jessie Victoria GIBSON b 1903 Married Arthur ' Johnny JOHNSON Children ? Both Buried Port Victoria. Ronald GIBSON b 1907 Married Alison R EDWARDES in 1939. Though my husband and I ( by marriage) are only connected to Janet through her marriage to Herb HOLDING I am interested in the rest of Janets' siblings I have researched as far as I could through B's D's and M's and Trove and also at the Pt Victoria Cemetery, which I visited on 20 Sept this year and took photos of the Headstones. Hoping a Lister is connected to the above GIBSON family and will be able to help me further. Many thanks in advance, Kind regards, Judy

Listers, Can someone please tell me if there is a favoured paper that covers Kapunda. The Kapunda Herald seems to have been the 'local' but closed and 4 papers show as covering the area namely "The Angaston Leader", "Barossa and Light Herald", "Northern Argus" and "Plains Producer" David Central Coast NSW

It would be worth getting a copy of the death notice? Surname Given Names Notice Type Date Type Age Other Details Publication Published STEWART Ethel Kate Death notice 26JUN2004 Death 110 at Wisteria Nursing Home, Aldersgate Adelaide Advertiser 28JUN2004 On 05/10/2014 11:44 AM, D & J MORLEY via wrote: > Good morning I was hoping someone can help me with this > First I will give you all I have so nobody wastes their time > > I have > > Alfred STEWART > Born: 1887 or 1889 ? > Died: 30 December 1968 Age: 81 Years Last Abode: FLINDERS PARK, SA > Service Type: Burial Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park > Married: 24 December 1923 St Michael All Saints, Henley Beach SA > he was 34 and she was 30 > Ethel Kate or Katherine JUDGE > Born: 1893 - 94 Shotteswell, Surrey, England > Died: 26 June 2004 Age: 110 Years, Last Abode: ALDGATE, SA, Service Type: > Burial > Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park, Section: Anglican, Row: Z, Site Number: 21 > > > What I am looking for is what ship and when did they arrive in South > Australia > > I found two possible but unfortunately Ancestry.com cannot help me with this > > Ship - Jervis Bay > E K JUDGE age 28 years was on the ship Jervis Bay in 1922 it said this > person was bound for South Australia > Alfred STEWART age 30 years was on the same ship - Jervis Bay in 1922 and > this one for Melbourne? > > Although these are just possibles? > can anyone bring any more light to this passenger ship. > > Or direct me to a online site where I can see the passenger lists for 1922 > or after 1900 from the UK? > > Thank you for anything at all? > > PS: since Ethel Kate STEWARD was 110 years old one would have though she > would have had a mention somewhere on line but there is nothing > There are lists of people over 110 but she is not on them? how sad > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > .....,'~._|\, > ,/Australia\ > \_,-----\*,_,/ > .............*... > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jill, According to the passenger list, E K Judge was 28, a Domestic, last address in the UK Halcombe, Graysholl, Hindhead A Stewart was 30, a Farm Worker, last address in the UK 13 Featherstone Road, Southall Many passenger lists only show initials, not given names. Ray On 05/10/2014 11:44 AM, D & J MORLEY via wrote: > Good morning I was hoping someone can help me with this > First I will give you all I have so nobody wastes their time > > I have > > Alfred STEWART > Born: 1887 or 1889 ? > Died: 30 December 1968 Age: 81 Years Last Abode: FLINDERS PARK, SA > Service Type: Burial Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park > Married: 24 December 1923 St Michael All Saints, Henley Beach SA > he was 34 and she was 30 > Ethel Kate or Katherine JUDGE > Born: 1893 - 94 Shotteswell, Surrey, England > Died: 26 June 2004 Age: 110 Years, Last Abode: ALDGATE, SA, Service Type: > Burial > Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park, Section: Anglican, Row: Z, Site Number: 21 > > > What I am looking for is what ship and when did they arrive in South > Australia > > I found two possible but unfortunately Ancestry.com cannot help me with this > > Ship - Jervis Bay > E K JUDGE age 28 years was on the ship Jervis Bay in 1922 it said this > person was bound for South Australia > Alfred STEWART age 30 years was on the same ship - Jervis Bay in 1922 and > this one for Melbourne? > > Although these are just possibles? > can anyone bring any more light to this passenger ship. > > Or direct me to a online site where I can see the passenger lists for 1922 > or after 1900 from the UK? > > Thank you for anything at all? > > PS: since Ethel Kate STEWARD was 110 years old one would have though she > would have had a mention somewhere on line but there is nothing > There are lists of people over 110 but she is not on them? how sad > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > .....,'~._|\, > ,/Australia\ > \_,-----\*,_,/ > .............*... > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Good morning I was hoping someone can help me with this First I will give you all I have so nobody wastes their time I have Alfred STEWART Born: 1887 or 1889 ? Died: 30 December 1968 Age: 81 Years Last Abode: FLINDERS PARK, SA Service Type: Burial Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park Married: 24 December 1923 St Michael All Saints, Henley Beach SA he was 34 and she was 30 Ethel Kate or Katherine JUDGE Born: 1893 - 94 Shotteswell, Surrey, England Died: 26 June 2004 Age: 110 Years, Last Abode: ALDGATE, SA, Service Type: Burial Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park, Section: Anglican, Row: Z, Site Number: 21 What I am looking for is what ship and when did they arrive in South Australia I found two possible but unfortunately Ancestry.com cannot help me with this Ship - Jervis Bay E K JUDGE age 28 years was on the ship Jervis Bay in 1922 it said this person was bound for South Australia Alfred STEWART age 30 years was on the same ship - Jervis Bay in 1922 and this one for Melbourne? Although these are just possibles? can anyone bring any more light to this passenger ship. Or direct me to a online site where I can see the passenger lists for 1922 or after 1900 from the UK? Thank you for anything at all? PS: since Ethel Kate STEWARD was 110 years old one would have though she would have had a mention somewhere on line but there is nothing There are lists of people over 110 but she is not on them? how sad Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY .....,'~._|\, ,/Australia\ \_,-----\*,_,/ .............*...

Thank you to those people who have sent me information regarding Chaplain Moore. Christine, Ros, Robert and Steph - I greatly appreciate your help and offers of help. I have found numerous references to him on TROVE and an interesting read in a book by John Hamilton - haven't read them all the TROVE notices as yet - I now have birth, death, marriage and births of chn information, his wife's info and BISA entries. This list is amazing - thank you all Robyn

Have sent, BISA entry for DENNIS, and also marriage for MOORE/DENNIS. -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Coates via Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:10 PM To: South Australian Gen Group Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] William Archibald Moore (Chaplain Captain) Dear list members I am still plodding away at my 39th Battalion research and I find that one of the Chaplains to this Battalion was William Archibald Moore - he had served previously with several Light Horse Brigades. When he enlisted his NOK was a cousin in NSW but whilst he is ill, his NOK appears to be a wife with the initial 'M' living at Crystal Brook SA - ie Mrs M Moore. I know that he was born on 3rd April 1875 from his enlistment paper but would be interested to know who his parents were and who his wife was and when they married. Any other information would be a bonus. Thank you in anticipation of any help received Robyn AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list members I am still plodding away at my 39th Battalion research and I find that one of the Chaplains to this Battalion was William Archibald Moore - he had served previously with several Light Horse Brigades. When he enlisted his NOK was a cousin in NSW but whilst he is ill, his NOK appears to be a wife with the initial 'M' living at Crystal Brook SA - ie Mrs M Moore. I know that he was born on 3rd April 1875 from his enlistment paper but would be interested to know who his parents were and who his wife was and when they married. Any other information would be a bonus. Thank you in anticipation of any help received Robyn

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Judy recently asked about third class certificates etc re insolvency Managed to tag the start point as being Insolvency Act (No 16 of 23 and 24 Vic, 1860) - a SA Act of Parliament 1860 being an Act to consolidate laws re insolvent debtors Act revoked The Insolvent Act 1857-8 The Imprisoned Debtors Enlargement Act Section 125 provided "If any insolvent shall have committed any of the offences hereinafter enumerated, the Court may, at the time of awarding the certificate of the Court . . . . . . . wording extensive but essentially....... First (destroying books, papers and writings relating to estate) Second (making fraudulent entries in, or falsifying any books relating to estate) Third (essentially contacting debts by means of fraud) Fourth (contracting debts without probable expectation of payment) Fifth (fraudulent preference ie undue preference to one creditor over another and similar acts) Sixth (concealing debts or property) Seventh (accounting for property by fictitious losses) Eight (vexatiously defending any action) Ninth (withholding any books) Tenth (omitting to keep books or keeping them imperfectly) Eleventh (Losing in one day by gaming £20, or in one year £200; losing in making time bargains for sale of stock or shares Note Bankruptcy legislated in Constitution to the Commonwealth in 1901 (not taken over straight away) Alan Melbourne

Hi Judith, SA birth registrations that are available only go up to 1928. There is a K.J. Sachse living at Monash in SA on www.whitepages.com.au > http://www.whitepages.com.au/searchRes.action?name=sachse&location=Monash%2c+SA+5342&initial=K < Click on above link for their telphone number. Perhaps, worth takingh time to make a phone call and see if it is the Kevin you refer too! If it is, you have a win! If it isnt, they may know your Kevin OR at the very least you are no worse off in your inquiries than you are at present. Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:48 PM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Birth or Marriage lookup for Sachse > Hi Listers, > > I am looking for parents for Murray Gordon Sachse > born about 1939. He had a brother Kevin. > > Regards > Judith > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message