https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/ Trove <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/?fref=nf> June 17 at 6:00pm <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/photos/a.204175713084978.1073741827.204155389753677/599022813600264/?type=3>· Good afternoon Troveites From 9pm today until Monday 20 June, Trove will be undergoing an update which will affect comments, tags, lists and corrections. You will still be able to add and edit all of your changes during this time but any changes you make will not be searchable until the update is complete. This work will allow Trove to more easily process all of the records that you have edited, tagged, commented on or added to a list. So please bear with us while this import... See More <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/posts/599022813600264:0> On 20/06/2016 4:17 PM, Judy Holding via wrote: > Hi Listers, > > Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? > > I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there > and didn't go anywhere. > > > > Kind regards, > > Judy. > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

/Temporarily unavailable/ Trove is temporarily unavailable. We are currently experiencing technical difficulties. We are sorry that it is taking longer than expected to restore services; Trove will be back online as soon as possible. We invite you to use the National Library of Australia catalogue <http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/> to explore the Library’s collections, or to contact the Ask A Librarian <https://www.nla.gov.au/askalibrarian> service with your reference questions. Please see our outage <http://dr.nla.gov.au/> blog for information about IT support and the Trove Twitter <https://twitter.com/TroveAustralia> and Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/> pages for updates. We apologise for any inconvenience. On 20/06/2016 4:17 PM, Judy Holding via wrote: > Hi Listers, > > Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? > > I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there > and didn't go anywhere. > > > > Kind regards, > > Judy. > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Jan, Judy -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Squire via Sent: Monday, 20 June 2016 4:02 PM To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] TROVE Trove has been in maintenance mode all weekend, and it has been sometimes on and sometimes off. Obviously still working on it. Jan Squire PLCGS CPA JP Morphett Road, Dover Gardens SA 5048. Australia. Phone 0427 387 009 jan@jansquire.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Holding via Sent: Monday, 20 June 2016 3:48 PM To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] TROVE Hi Listers, Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there and didn't go anywhere. Kind regards, Judy. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trove has been in maintenance mode all weekend, and it has been sometimes on and sometimes off. Obviously still working on it. Jan Squire PLCGS CPA JP Morphett Road, Dover Gardens SA 5048. Australia. Phone 0427 387 009 jan@jansquire.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Holding via Sent: Monday, 20 June 2016 3:48 PM To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] TROVE Hi Listers, Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there and didn't go anywhere. Kind regards, Judy. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again, Ray. Judy _____ From: Ray Hayes [mailto:rayhayes@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Monday, 20 June 2016 3:54 PM To: Judy Holding; aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] TROVE https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/ Trove <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/?fref=nf> <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/photos/a.204175713084978.1073741827 .204155389753677/599022813600264/?type=3> June 17 at 6:00pm . Good afternoon Troveites >From 9pm today until Monday 20 June, Trove will be undergoing an update which will affect comments, tags, lists and corrections. You will still be able to add and edit all of your changes during this time but any changes you make will not be searchable until the update is complete. This work will allow Trove to more easily process all of the records that you have edited, tagged, commented on or added to a list. So please bear with us while this import... <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/posts/599022813600264:0> See More On 20/06/2016 4:17 PM, Judy Holding via wrote: Hi Listers, Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there and didn't go anywhere. Kind regards, Judy. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Andrew, I just got the same message when I tried again. Kind regards, Judy _____ From: Andrew Peake [mailto:agpeake@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 20 June 2016 3:54 PM To: Judy Holding; aus-sagen Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] TROVE No its not only you. It has spat the dummy and isn't working. Andrew Peake On 20 June 2016 at 15:47, Judy Holding via <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi Listers, Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there and didn't go anywhere. Kind regards, Judy. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Andrew G Peake

No its not only you. It has spat the dummy and isn't working. Andrew Peake On 20 June 2016 at 15:47, Judy Holding via <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Listers, > > Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? > > I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there > and didn't go anywhere. > > > > Kind regards, > > Judy. > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Andrew G Peake

Thanks Ray. Judy _____ From: Ray Hayes [mailto:rayhayes@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Monday, 20 June 2016 3:53 PM To: Judy Holding; aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] TROVE Temporarily unavailable Trove is temporarily unavailable. We are currently experiencing technical difficulties. We are sorry that it is taking longer than expected to restore services; Trove will be back online as soon as possible. We invite you to use the National Library of Australia catalogue <http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/> to explore the Library's collections, or to contact the Ask <https://www.nla.gov.au/askalibrarian> A Librarian service with your reference questions. Please see our outage <http://dr.nla.gov.au/> blog for information about IT support and the Trove Twitter <https://twitter.com/TroveAustralia> and Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/TroveAustralia/> pages for updates. We apologise for any inconvenience. On 20/06/2016 4:17 PM, Judy Holding via wrote: Hi Listers, Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there and didn't go anywhere. Kind regards, Judy. AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Following on from my previous email, I just tried TROVE again and got a message this time that it is temp out of order. Judy

Hi Listers, Is it just me or has any other Listers had trouble going to TROVE website? I had a few tries just then and typed in Trove and then it just sat there and didn't go anywhere. Kind regards, Judy.

My Mary Gertrude CONLON m John Owen NUGENT at Streaky Bay. Dec 21. 1918 Cheers, Sheelagh Wiles > On 19 Jun 2016, at 5:48 PM, Jenny Cooper via <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a Lucinda BRENNAN who married Samuel TAYLOR in Tipperary before > emigrating in 1839. Her father was a Luke BRENNAN. > > I also have a William James CONLON who was born 22 Jan 1898 at Sturt, > son of Thomas Joseph CONLON and Annie Maria HOMDEN. William married > Margaret Deborah ANGUS on 1 dec 1928 in Catholic Presbytery at Glenelg. > They did not have any family but I have no idea when either William or > Margaret died and where they may have been buried. Margaret was my > husband's aunt. > > Jenny C in NSW > > >> On 18/06/2016 5:43 PM, Sheelagh Wiles via wrote: >> Is there anyone on AUS-SAGEN researching any of these family names >> >> The main research I am doing is on NUGENT but the other names have married into my >> Family >> >> Can anyone help, the NUGENT family came from Wicklow, Ireland. >> Cheers, >> >> Sheelagh Wiles >> >> >> >> AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ >> >> Websites of Interest on our Blog: >> http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have a Lucinda BRENNAN who married Samuel TAYLOR in Tipperary before emigrating in 1839. Her father was a Luke BRENNAN. I also have a William James CONLON who was born 22 Jan 1898 at Sturt, son of Thomas Joseph CONLON and Annie Maria HOMDEN. William married Margaret Deborah ANGUS on 1 dec 1928 in Catholic Presbytery at Glenelg. They did not have any family but I have no idea when either William or Margaret died and where they may have been buried. Margaret was my husband's aunt. Jenny C in NSW On 18/06/2016 5:43 PM, Sheelagh Wiles via wrote: > Is there anyone on AUS-SAGEN researching any of these family names > > The main research I am doing is on NUGENT but the other names have married into my > Family > > Can anyone help, the NUGENT family came from Wicklow, Ireland. > Cheers, > > Sheelagh Wiles > > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Beryl, I got the "wrong end of the stick" I checked for DYNES just then in the S A Bio Graph Index and no entries. Kind regards. Judy. -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beryl via Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2016 5:01 PM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Researching Johann Ohlson, builder of sewing machine My son in law is great grandson of Johann Ohlson, inventer of Husquvarna sewing machine. Trying to discover first Dynes family into South Australia. Can anyone help. Beryl AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Beryl, Here is three OHLSON entries from the S A Biographical Index, may be of some help to you. OHLSON. Chas John Peter. b 1842 Oland Sweden. Died 8-7-1925 arrived 1865. Occ Tailor. Residence College Park, Grange S.A. married Unknown.Children: Olaf, Chas, daughter. Gustavas OHLSON b.c 1831 arrived 1863 RODERICK DHU from Christina, Sweden. John Ludwig b 1852 Husgaard, Sweden Arrived 1879 JASON. Have you tried TROVE for OHLSON at all? Kind regards, Judy. -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beryl via Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2016 5:01 PM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Researching Johann Ohlson, builder of sewing machine My son in law is great grandson of Johann Ohlson, inventer of Husquvarna sewing machine. Trying to discover first Dynes family into South Australia. Can anyone help. Beryl AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine Try this email address to request a deceased search. preston@gmct.com.au or jbrooks@gmct.com.au Susan On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Christine Anderson via < aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Lyn, Had already tried your suggestions but none for Preston are coming > up.I tried with the surname on the greater met cem trust but no records for > Preston, not even listed on the names of cemeteries to try from.. Aust > cemetery site had the same problem listed as having on line data but > nothing. Thank you though for your input, Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lyn Carruthers via > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:12 PM > To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Preston Cemetery records, Victoria. > > Preston comes under the Greater Metropolitan Cemeteries Trust which I > believe is managed by Fawkner cemetery. > Cheers > Lyn > > From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ros Saunders via > Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 8:05 PM > To: Christine Anderson <famhist@iinet.net.au>; SA Mailing List > <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Preston Cemetery records, Victoria. > > http://www.australiancemeteries.com/vic/vic4.htm#anchor504406 > > Try this link and scroll down to Preston > > Ros > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Christine Anderson via < > aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Can anyone help me please to locate the above records, I have searched > > without results. > > Many thanks, Chris > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Thomas NUGENT came to Port Adelaide in 1851 with his uncle Robert McLean on the vessel the Jenny Lind He was only 10 years old. Apparently his uncle left him with friends ( don't know who but north of Adelaide I believe) They met up again about 8-9 years later for a short time in Victoria goldfields I have marriage of Robert McLean to Susan Day. Then I loss him again till Thomas is back in SA getting married for the first time to Mary Connaughty. She died in 1875 and he married their Governess in 1875 and at some time in the next 25 years went to live on the Nullabor Plains at Madura Stn for approx 10-12 years. They then moved back to Scales Bay and Streaky Bay Area for the rest of their lives Between the two wives there were 13 children but 5 were not register Cheers, Sheelagh Wiles > On 18 Jun 2016, at 8:08 PM, Pat Wade via <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Sheelagh, > > I am researching a NUGENT family - but I don't believe they were ever in > South Australia. > > What I have is George NUGENT (of the 99th Regiment) married Ellen Casey in > 1845 in NSW and with the army he travelled to Tas and Vic where he finally > settled. > > Regards > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sheelagh Wiles via > Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2016 5:43 PM > To: Aus-Sagen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] NUGENT, BRENNAN, GAVAN, CONLON, BLANDFORD > > > Is there anyone on AUS-SAGEN researching any of these family names > > The main research I am doing is on NUGENT but the other names have married > into my Family > > Can anyone help, the NUGENT family came from Wicklow, Ireland. > Cheers, > > Sheelagh Wiles > > > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ > > Websites of Interest on our Blog: > http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sheelagh, I am researching a NUGENT family - but I don't believe they were ever in South Australia. What I have is George NUGENT (of the 99th Regiment) married Ellen Casey in 1845 in NSW and with the army he travelled to Tas and Vic where he finally settled. Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheelagh Wiles via Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2016 5:43 PM To: Aus-Sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] NUGENT, BRENNAN, GAVAN, CONLON, BLANDFORD Is there anyone on AUS-SAGEN researching any of these family names The main research I am doing is on NUGENT but the other names have married into my Family Can anyone help, the NUGENT family came from Wicklow, Ireland. Cheers, Sheelagh Wiles AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My son in law is great grandson of Johann Ohlson, inventer of Husquvarna sewing machine. Trying to discover first Dynes family into South Australia. Can anyone help. Beryl

Is there anyone on AUS-SAGEN researching any of these family names The main research I am doing is on NUGENT but the other names have married into my Family Can anyone help, the NUGENT family came from Wicklow, Ireland. Cheers, Sheelagh Wiles

Thank you so much Elaine, I will sort them out this weekend and send to you, have spent the day with my Mum who is 95 and pretty deaf, lovely soul and I see her frustration with her age and the problems it brings, all emotionally drained now so will have an early night. Kindest regards Chris , in West. Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Jefferson via Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:04 PM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Preston Cemetery VIC Have been following the thoughts for this cemetery and I maybe able to help. I need names, dates etc Elaine AUS-SAGEN Archives are here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/AUS-SAGEN/ Websites of Interest on our Blog: http://aus-sagen-genealogy-websites.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message