Hi everyone. Just a short note to say I have been very interested when people reply to the list as well as privately, because on more than one occasion the information has helped me also. This has saved me asking the same question. Beryl Renton in Brisbane

Description of series: For each prisoner of war or internee captured by the Australian Military Forces and/or held in camps in Australia [sometimes on behalf of an ally] the Prisoners of War Information Bureau maintained a set of "basic documents" stapled together. These forms contain identification and property assessment information on the prisoners of war and internees, and comprise: "Report on Prisoner of War/Internee" (Form A111) and "Property Statement - Prisoner of War/Internee" (Form A114) forwarded to the Bureau by captors or Camp Commandants; and "Geneva Report" (Form A111A) filled in by the Bureau upon receipt of Forms A111 and A114. Several copies of Form A111A were also made for dissemination to: International Red Cross at Geneva, International Red Cross Delegate in Australia, and the Protecting Power Representative. This form contains all basic details required by Article 77 of the 1929 International Convention. MP1103/2 and MP1103/1 share the same Prisoners of War Information Bureau system of control and can cross reference. The forms are mostly green, some with more recent entries are white. History Prior/Subsequent to Transfer: Prior to transfer: The Prisoners of War Information Bureau was established in 1939 in accordance with Article 77 of the "International Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War" signed at Geneva on 27 July 1929. This required each belligerent power at the commencement of war to institute an official bureau to give information about prisoners of war in its territory. Early in the war the Australian Government declared that the International Convention provisions applied to internees. The Prisoners of War information Bureau had an Army Officer at its head with a civilian staff and maintained its own registry. Its functions were: to collect, record, and disseminate information of war and internees captured by and compiling of statistics. The Bureau was responsible for the welfare of enemy prisoner of war and internees in Australia: disposal of their mail, safe-keeping of their personal effects, maintenance of their medical records, etc. In May 1948 under the direction of the Adjutant - General, the Bureau was absorbed by the Central Army Records Office although retaining its own identity The Bureau underwent many changes of address, as its importance and size fluctuated during the war: October 1941 - Kinnear House, 114 King Street, Melbourne; November 1941 - Craig's Buildings, Elizabeth Street; April 1942 - 8 Marlton Crescent, St Kilda (19 Marlton Crescent later in April); June 1943 - Cnr Broadway and Glenhuntly Roads, Elwood; January 1944 - St George's Hall, Chapel Street, St Kilda; November 1946 - Drill Hall, Chapel Street, St Kilda; May 1948 - Central Army Records Office, Albert Park Barracks. The dossiers transferred to CAO Brighton by the Department of the Army, Central Army Records Office, "E" Division, Albert Park Barracks, Melbourne. Subsequent to transfer: This series was re-accessioned in December 1972 after more information on the Prisoners of War Information Bureau was obtained as a result of a visit to the Archives Section of CARO. Administrative information The following data was keyed from the paper documentation: Form number: CA 17 Creating department: Army AHQ, "A" Branch, Directorate of Prisoners of War and Internees Prisoners Transferring department: Army, Army Headquarters, Directorate of Army Records, Central Army REcords, Office Date of transfer: 13/04/1970 Archives file number: RWM30/8/19 These are part of the series CRS B3783, Dossiers containing reports on internees and prisoners of war held in Australian camps, single number series with alphabetical prefix, but have not been physically converted to CRS B3783. See the Full Note for that series for a description of the records. The records in this series should be called for by the MP1103/2 number. There are numerous entries at the National archives including a POW entry for your person TOMIDA Do a record search for TOMIDa brought up some NAA office in Melbourne is co shared with State Archives in North Melbourne - most helpful people there Alan Melbourne ex NAA site Description of series: For each prisoner of war or internee captured by the Australian Military Forces and/or held in camps in Australia [sometimes on behalf of an ally] the Prisoners of War Information Bureau maintained a set of "basic documents" stapled together. These forms contain identification and property assessment information on the prisoners of war and internees, and comprise: "Report on Prisoner of War/Internee" (Form A111) and "Property State* ...... * ===== From: "Judith" <judith.bn@bigpond.com> Hi Listers, Could some kind soul look up death of an ` internee' of Japanese extraction in SA in 1943 please. The surname is TOMIDA and he would have been about 64. I presume that his death would be listed with the rest of the deaths for that period? Regards Judith

Hi all, I truly believe that all this has been caused by the reply defaulting to the sender not the mailing list, however that having been said, whilst the mailing list has this little variation to others, I do try to send the details to the list as well and hope everyone is okay with the results posted. Have a good day everyone...........Cj - QLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Coates" <jnnyb@aol.com> To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 2:08:17 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / Sydney Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. Oh, I so agree Michael! The list can be set to automatically send replies to the list. It should then be up to the poster to paraphrase any copyrighted info as you have indicated. Jenny

Dear All Although new to this list, I'd like to add some thoughts on the issue of queries and answers. I've been a member of the Cornish-GEN and VIC-Goldfields lists for some years. Replies to queries are sent to the list and also privately. Folk generally send to the list as the reply can prompt further additional research by another lister, rich discussion which allows very experienced researchers and genealogists to offer information, and importantly, the material goes into the archives, for future researchers. I understand that there are issues with the use of direct SAGHS material, and this seems to be the main issue. That the SAGHS material must be respected, so certainly a short note would stop duplication. It would perhaps be useful if the person helped, could reply to the list when the query is answered and perhaps briefly note the results if out of the ordinary, ie, like a mix-up of names, miss-spelling or an issue with transcription. Just a few thoughts. Kind regards to all, Rowena

George Plimmer Gardner/Gardiner and Hannah Cooper are listed as having 2 children in mid 1850's. I have found George Plimmer Gardner murdered in Victoria in 1860. It states he has a wife and children in SA. I am wondering if there is any reference to his marriage or how he came to SA. Did Hannah remarry? Regards Lyn Baker

Will be going past in the next little while, and will look, not sure, might be week or so, so if anyone else is going earlier... Steph.

I wonder is any-one heading out to West Terrace Cemetery in the near future, and could do a look-up for me, please I am looking for a burial for WILLIAM NEWTON, died at Fullerton 6 September 1922, age 79 His residence was recorded as Glencoe Thanks Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA

The fact that people don't tell others that they have sent a reply direct to a person has caused me to stop spending time chasing things up and I now only reply when a simple quick answer is needed, as the time delay from when a person posts to when the answer is researched and formulated can also allow others to think nothing has been replied to and also do research. Thus I would suggest if anyone is going to do an answer then they immediately post that they will follow this up, as some do. I personally have always tried to follow the philosophy that if a question is asked on the list, then it should generally be answered on the list, unless it breaches copyright etc. or contains photos or attachments etc. eg SAGHS BDM extracted data in their format, which they get touchy about. Others don't agree with this, SO nowadays I just sit in the background and don't answer most of the asks. If most answers to POSTED LIST QUERIES (they are not private queries but public posting queries) were POSTED TO THE LIST instead of privately it gives a full archive for later, and it allows others to see what was found, and those others may sometimes have other resources and are able to find different or additional data and post in answer to the original posters query, But as answers are being done off list then who knows what was found!! or not found!! Likewise I often see where an other person requests that answer be posted to list so they can gain something from it, as they may also be related to that family etc. This request would be unneccesary if answers were always posted. Hence my decision to nowadays only answer occasionally. I can spend my time productively elsewhere instead of spending time only to find others have answered it off list, (often by a reply from the poster, no one else) which is very frustrating and wastes the other researchers time. Thus I can appreciate the "dummy spit " by Steph. who (as do many others), spends quite considerable time answering peoples queries. So a little thought on part of those answering postings could assist all to make the list a valuable resource within itself to everyone. regards Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Cocks" <steph-ken@bigpond.com> To: "Aus-sagen" <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > Dear List, > > My intent was not to 'trash' or abuse' anyone. I am sorry if you feel > that > way. > > I was simply making the point that, particularly in the case of the > BREAKELL > query, that 3 listers that we know of replied to that query. > > Terrific, there are people who are willing and happy to freely give their > time, I know I certainly am. Family history would get nowhere if people > had > to pay professional researchers. > > Time is the operative word. > > There is we all know, less and less time to go around. It is frustrating > in > the extreme to spend time and effort doing something, and ten minutes > later > find that it has already been done, and twice over in the BREAKELL > instance. > Hence my 'dummy spit'! > > All that I am asking is quite simple. > > After replying to the person that posted the query, a brief posting, 1 > line, > to the list, 'I have sent.....'. > > The way the list is at the moment, very quiet, I doubt this is going to > cause problems for the archives?? > > Then anyone else who has the same 'source' does not have to look it up, > and > send. They can maybe then look for other information, perhaps the first > person to respond didn't have a Marriage disc and was only able to provide > a > Birth.... Different people have different resources. To quote an old > adage > 'Many hands make light work.' > > Also, for people referring to the archives in the future, there is some > information to advise that an 'event' has been found, or not, and that > they > can, assuming email addresses don't change, contact the person that > provided > the information or the person that made the initial query. > > I sincerely, hope that we can with ListMum Ros's permission discuss this > on > list. > > That's all, I wish you all a good day and happy hunting! > Steph. :-))) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> > To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > I havent bothered answering anyone since the last blow up and I wont > anymore. > Anyone is welcome to email me privately and I will gladly help. > So those who are inferring I have can go twist. > I was just thinking how quiet the trashing of others had been > recently..maybe I should have kept that thought to myself. > You dont even have to do anything to be abused on this list. > Genie > > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 > > > > http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Posting on behalf of another lister whose emails are bouncing from this email address.

Have sent Birth and Death as requested. Steph. :-))

According an article in the Borderwatch Newspaper, an Inquest lead by H Chambers J.P. was held at Suttontown (Mount Gambier) on 9 May 1904, into the death of Mary Harriet NEWTON Taking into account this was over 100 years ago, please can some-one point me in the right direction to finding the original Inquest report Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA

I Judith, I looked up Tomida but zero matches came up, is there any other name that I could try? Tracey -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2010 9:32 PM To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] SA Death Look up Please? Hi Listers, Could some kind soul look up death of an ` internee' of Japanese extraction in SA in 1943 please. The surname is TOMIDA and he would have been about 64. I presume that his death would be listed with the rest of the deaths for that period? Regards Judith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5360 (20100812) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob, I would imagine maybe hit the local paper if there was one. There is a great website called TROVE, give that a whirl. Fantastic website, also a huge timewaster lolol Steph. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob May" <tpibob44@bigpond.com> To: "Aus-sagen" <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Carrieton SA - SPRIGGS > Hi all > Still pounding at that wall > I am looking for any information on a running event c 1890s. I believe it > could have been called the Carrieton Gift. The actual year could have been > 1893. > Any information, suggestions where to look etc would be appreciated > regards > bob > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 4469 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3065 - Release Date: 08/12/10 04:04:00

The Home for Incurables was founded on the 23rd September 1878 and it was incorporated on 23 October 1879. Changed to Julia Farr Centre I n 1981 the Home was re-named Julia Farr Centre after Mrs Julia Farr, one of the founders of the Home. In 1995 the name of the Centre was changed to Julia Farr Services to reflect the changing focus and range of services. Fisher St Fullarton http://history.dircsa.org.au/1800-1899/home-for-incurables/ Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Sat, 14/8/10, Christene Pycroft <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> wrote: From: Christene Pycroft <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Hospital/s Fullerton 1920 To: "AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 14 August, 2010, 2:07 Does anyone know what Hospital/s would have been in the Fullerton area in 1920. Would appreciate any help or direction of where to look. Many thanks        Chris Pycroft  (nee GWYNNE)    Port Augusta Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, My intent was not to 'trash' or abuse' anyone. I am sorry if you feel that way. I was simply making the point that, particularly in the case of the BREAKELL query, that 3 listers that we know of replied to that query. Terrific, there are people who are willing and happy to freely give their time, I know I certainly am. Family history would get nowhere if people had to pay professional researchers. Time is the operative word. There is we all know, less and less time to go around. It is frustrating in the extreme to spend time and effort doing something, and ten minutes later find that it has already been done, and twice over in the BREAKELL instance. Hence my 'dummy spit'! All that I am asking is quite simple. After replying to the person that posted the query, a brief posting, 1 line, to the list, 'I have sent.....'. The way the list is at the moment, very quiet, I doubt this is going to cause problems for the archives?? Then anyone else who has the same 'source' does not have to look it up, and send. They can maybe then look for other information, perhaps the first person to respond didn't have a Marriage disc and was only able to provide a Birth.... Different people have different resources. To quote an old adage 'Many hands make light work.' Also, for people referring to the archives in the future, there is some information to advise that an 'event' has been found, or not, and that they can, assuming email addresses don't change, contact the person that provided the information or the person that made the initial query. I sincerely, hope that we can with ListMum Ros's permission discuss this on list. That's all, I wish you all a good day and happy hunting! Steph. :-))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. I havent bothered answering anyone since the last blow up and I wont anymore. Anyone is welcome to email me privately and I will gladly help. So those who are inferring I have can go twist. I was just thinking how quiet the trashing of others had been recently..maybe I should have kept that thought to myself. You dont even have to do anything to be abused on this list. Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/

Hi, As Steph mentioned TROVE is a great place to find information and waste time. I have just found another relative that had not surfaced when searching the registers. According to the newspaper of 24 November 1883 William James Sydney MAYNE second son of Rebecca and Henry MAYNE. Had died. Could SKS please look up the birth and deaths of William. I have previously found 10 births to Rebecca and Henry. Regards Graham

Amazing isnt it.. I have only answered one person since the last blow up and still I get abused by people who cant even continue the open discussion we were all having about the subject without personally attacking those who help Its because of the personal attacks way back,(probably before Steph and Mikes time) that stops me AND MANY OTHERS  from wanting to contribute directly to the list. Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Fri, 13/8/10, jan royal <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> wrote: From: jan royal <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. To: mjphoenix@bigpond.com, steph-ken@bigpond.com, c_tillett@yahoo.com.au, "aus sagen" <aus-sagen-l@rootsweb.com>, judyfh@bigpond.com Date: Friday, 13 August, 2010, 22:13 must be Friday the 13th   > From: mjphoenix@bigpond.com > To: steph-ken@bigpond.com; c_tillett@yahoo.com.au; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; judyfh@bigpond.com > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:42:19 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > So full of Shit that I find it hard to believe it. > I doubt they can even spell "courtesy". > Is Genie a "protected species" as far at your List Fuhrer is concerned?? > No need to launch another diatribe ....sorry, shitstorm - Genie, I know what > you feel & how "well" you can express it. > > Get off the List, my friends!! It is owned by these "people" wholly & > solely. And where is Heather Hobbis in all this?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephanie Cocks [mailto:steph-ken@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 6:53 PM > To: Genie; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Judy Holding > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > > I'd like to make some further comments, and for ease will reply under > Genie's comments, marked thus **** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> > To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the > list. > > Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for > > our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal > > action if people copy directly from "their" CD's > > Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" > which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the > > info from the cd to suit SAGHS. > THE WAY I WORK IS TO COPY/PASTE THE CD INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO AN EMAIL > WHICH GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE QUERY. THUS NOT PUTTING > COPYRIGHTED INFORMATION ONTO THE LIST. THEREBY NOT RISKING THE IRE OF > SAGHS. > THEN A QUICK POST TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, TO THE LIST. > > > Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to > waste doing that. > COULD NOT AGREE MORE CHRIS. > > In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear > instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... > person 2 would answer and post a reply to the list.. which again would > instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers > thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is > answered. > > Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving > > before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have > > not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more > GENERALLY THE POSTS ARE FAIRLY QUICK, WOULD BE A FAIRLY RARE THAT POSTS TOOK > > THAT LONG TO APPEAR. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT NOT OFTEN. > > Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can > claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. > that is not the way reality works. > SHOULD WORK FAIRLY WELL UNLESS PERSON 3 IS WAITING WITH THEIR DISC READY TO > FIRE UP. > > Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone > else they must post to the list.. > TOO TRUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST AND FAIREST WAY TO GET AROUND > > THIS PROBLEM. NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. > > 1. THAT GETS THE 'REPLY' TO THE QUERY POSTER ASAP, SO THAT THEY MOVE ON WITH > > THEIR RESEARCH. > 2. THAT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE COPYRIGHT > 3. THAT DOESN'T WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. > 4. THAT MAKES CLEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CHOOSES TO > FOLLOW IT UP FURTHER THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. > > SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAS GOT TO BE GOOD. > > Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are > some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker > nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how > much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up > IF RESEARCH IS KEPT PRIVATE, AND YES THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, I FEEL WE AREN'T > SHARING AND FURTHERING OUR 'CAUSE'. > QUICK ANSWER TO THAT, SEND THE INFORMATION OFF LIST. AND BRIEF POST TO THE > LIST ONLY. > > CHRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10% OF COPYRIGHT FREE USAGE. FAR AS I CAN > > RECALL I HAVN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WORKS. THANKS. > > > Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it > will sell more cd;s > WELL, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THEY'D SELL MORE IF THE PRICE WAS MORE > REASONABLE. 50c RAFFLE TICKETS ALWAYS SELL QUICKER THAN THE $ ONES. > > In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with > baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was > received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what > was answered and not waste time looking > The reality is some have a life beside the list > MY THOUGHTS PRECISELY, SO TRYING TO GET AROUND DUPLICATION OF REPLIES TO > PERSON 1. > > I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS > threat of legal action > I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT YES IT DOES SOUND BETTER. > > Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making > them feel their contribution is not needed > WOULD NOT THINK SO. > > We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. > I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a > birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the > same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had > the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. > IF PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE TO LOOK FURTHER AFTER PERSON 2 HAS REPLIED > THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. OR IF PERSON 1 THINKS THEIR QUERY HAS BEEN > FULLY ANSWERED, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO POST AGAIN AND SAY SO. > > I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others > may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact > > person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the > question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 > doesnt then look > MANY TIMES A SINGLE EVENT IS ASKED FOR, A B D OR M, IF IT IS FOUND CASE > CLOSED. IF IT S A BUNCH OF BIRTHS THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT > THE LIKES OF MYSELF AND OTHE RPEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCS AND > RESEARCH WOULD ALSO CHECK FOR VARIATIONS IN NAMES AND CHECK EITHER SIDE OF > DATES GIVEN. AND NOT FORGETTING TO LOOK THOROUGHLY, SIDEWAYS AND AROUND > CORNERS. SOMETHING WHICH I TRY MY BEST TO DO, MAY NOT ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT, > ONLY HUMAN AND SO MUCH TIME, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY. > > CAN I ALSO SAY THAT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME TO AND FRO AND DISCUSSION ON THE > > LIST, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE NOT OFTEN SEEN ON THE LIST. > STEPH. > > Genie > > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 > > > > http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ > > --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: > > From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 > > Dear List Owner and Listers, > > I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run > the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! > > I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query > has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another > Lister > checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off > list' ? > > Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of > Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and > then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know > that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT > WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. > > This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if > one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the > Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info. > > I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the > gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for > others > on this List and in Life in general. > > Judy. > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 > 04:04:00 > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, I so agree Michael! The list can be set to automatically send replies to the list. It should then be up to the poster to paraphrase any copyrighted info as you have indicated. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lightfoot <michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au> To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Aug 13, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. This is the only FH list I subscribe to (and I am on about 20 lists) where there is this fetish about not posting answers to the list. Frankly I find it annoying. I keep opening messages that contain no information.

Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the list. Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal action if people copy directly from "their" CD's Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the info from the cd to suit SAGHS. Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to waste doing that. In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... person 2 would answer and post  a reply to the list.. which again would instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is answered. Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. that is not the way reality works. Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone else they must post to the list.. Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it will sell more cd;s In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what was answered and not waste time looking The reality is some have a life beside the list I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS threat of legal action Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making them feel their contribution is not needed We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 doesnt then look Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 Dear List Owner and Listers, I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another Lister checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off list' ?  Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and then there are others that send the Info  without even letting the list know that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info.    I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for others on this List and in Life in general. Judy. Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Could some kind soul look up death of an ` internee' of Japanese extraction in SA in 1943 please. The surname is TOMIDA and he would have been about 64. I presume that his death would be listed with the rest of the deaths for that period? Regards Judith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5360 (20100812) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com