lolol ----- Original Message ----- From: jan royal To: mjphoenix@bigpond.com ; steph-ken@bigpond.com ; c_tillett@yahoo.com.au ; aus sagen ; judyfh@bigpond.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. must be Friday the 13th > From: mjphoenix@bigpond.com > To: steph-ken@bigpond.com; c_tillett@yahoo.com.au; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; judyfh@bigpond.com > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:42:19 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > So full of Shit that I find it hard to believe it. > I doubt they can even spell "courtesy". > Is Genie a "protected species" as far at your List Fuhrer is concerned?? > No need to launch another diatribe ....sorry, shitstorm - Genie, I know what > you feel & how "well" you can express it. > > Get off the List, my friends!! It is owned by these "people" wholly & > solely. And where is Heather Hobbis in all this?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephanie Cocks [mailto:steph-ken@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 6:53 PM > To: Genie; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Judy Holding > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > > I'd like to make some further comments, and for ease will reply under > Genie's comments, marked thus **** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> > To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the > list. > > Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for > > our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal > > action if people copy directly from "their" CD's > > Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" > which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the > > info from the cd to suit SAGHS. > THE WAY I WORK IS TO COPY/PASTE THE CD INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO AN EMAIL > WHICH GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE QUERY. THUS NOT PUTTING > COPYRIGHTED INFORMATION ONTO THE LIST. THEREBY NOT RISKING THE IRE OF > SAGHS. > THEN A QUICK POST TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, TO THE LIST. > > > Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to > waste doing that. > COULD NOT AGREE MORE CHRIS. > > In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear > instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... > person 2 would answer and post a reply to the list.. which again would > instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers > thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is > answered. > > Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving > > before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have > > not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more > GENERALLY THE POSTS ARE FAIRLY QUICK, WOULD BE A FAIRLY RARE THAT POSTS TOOK > > THAT LONG TO APPEAR. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT NOT OFTEN. > > Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can > claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. > that is not the way reality works. > SHOULD WORK FAIRLY WELL UNLESS PERSON 3 IS WAITING WITH THEIR DISC READY TO > FIRE UP. > > Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone > else they must post to the list.. > TOO TRUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST AND FAIREST WAY TO GET AROUND > > THIS PROBLEM. NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. > > 1. THAT GETS THE 'REPLY' TO THE QUERY POSTER ASAP, SO THAT THEY MOVE ON WITH > > THEIR RESEARCH. > 2. THAT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE COPYRIGHT > 3. THAT DOESN'T WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. > 4. THAT MAKES CLEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CHOOSES TO > FOLLOW IT UP FURTHER THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. > > SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAS GOT TO BE GOOD. > > Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are > some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker > nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how > much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up > IF RESEARCH IS KEPT PRIVATE, AND YES THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, I FEEL WE AREN'T > SHARING AND FURTHERING OUR 'CAUSE'. > QUICK ANSWER TO THAT, SEND THE INFORMATION OFF LIST. AND BRIEF POST TO THE > LIST ONLY. > > CHRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10% OF COPYRIGHT FREE USAGE. FAR AS I CAN > > RECALL I HAVN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WORKS. THANKS. > > > Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it > will sell more cd;s > WELL, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THEY'D SELL MORE IF THE PRICE WAS MORE > REASONABLE. 50c RAFFLE TICKETS ALWAYS SELL QUICKER THAN THE $ ONES. > > In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with > baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was > received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what > was answered and not waste time looking > The reality is some have a life beside the list > MY THOUGHTS PRECISELY, SO TRYING TO GET AROUND DUPLICATION OF REPLIES TO > PERSON 1. > > I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS > threat of legal action > I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT YES IT DOES SOUND BETTER. > > Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making > them feel their contribution is not needed > WOULD NOT THINK SO. > > We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. > I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a > birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the > same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had > the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. > IF PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE TO LOOK FURTHER AFTER PERSON 2 HAS REPLIED > THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. OR IF PERSON 1 THINKS THEIR QUERY HAS BEEN > FULLY ANSWERED, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO POST AGAIN AND SAY SO. > > I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others > may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact > > person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the > question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 > doesnt then look > MANY TIMES A SINGLE EVENT IS ASKED FOR, A B D OR M, IF IT IS FOUND CASE > CLOSED. IF IT S A BUNCH OF BIRTHS THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT > THE LIKES OF MYSELF AND OTHE RPEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCS AND > RESEARCH WOULD ALSO CHECK FOR VARIATIONS IN NAMES AND CHECK EITHER SIDE OF > DATES GIVEN. AND NOT FORGETTING TO LOOK THOROUGHLY, SIDEWAYS AND AROUND > CORNERS. SOMETHING WHICH I TRY MY BEST TO DO, MAY NOT ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT, > ONLY HUMAN AND SO MUCH TIME, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY. > > CAN I ALSO SAY THAT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME TO AND FRO AND DISCUSSION ON THE > > LIST, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE NOT OFTEN SEEN ON THE LIST. > STEPH. > > Genie > > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 > > > > http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ > > --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: > > From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 > > Dear List Owner and Listers, > > I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run > the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! > > I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query > has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another > Lister > checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off > list' ? > > Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of > Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and > then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know > that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT > WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. > > This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if > one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the > Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info. > > I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the > gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for > others > on this List and in Life in general. > > Judy. > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 > 04:04:00 > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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must be Friday the 13th > From: mjphoenix@bigpond.com > To: steph-ken@bigpond.com; c_tillett@yahoo.com.au; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; judyfh@bigpond.com > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:42:19 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > So full of Shit that I find it hard to believe it. > I doubt they can even spell "courtesy". > Is Genie a "protected species" as far at your List Fuhrer is concerned?? > No need to launch another diatribe ....sorry, shitstorm - Genie, I know what > you feel & how "well" you can express it. > > Get off the List, my friends!! It is owned by these "people" wholly & > solely. And where is Heather Hobbis in all this?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephanie Cocks [mailto:steph-ken@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 6:53 PM > To: Genie; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Judy Holding > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > > I'd like to make some further comments, and for ease will reply under > Genie's comments, marked thus **** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> > To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the > list. > > Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for > > our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal > > action if people copy directly from "their" CD's > > Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" > which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the > > info from the cd to suit SAGHS. > THE WAY I WORK IS TO COPY/PASTE THE CD INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO AN EMAIL > WHICH GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE QUERY. THUS NOT PUTTING > COPYRIGHTED INFORMATION ONTO THE LIST. THEREBY NOT RISKING THE IRE OF > SAGHS. > THEN A QUICK POST TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, TO THE LIST. > > > Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to > waste doing that. > COULD NOT AGREE MORE CHRIS. > > In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear > instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... > person 2 would answer and post a reply to the list.. which again would > instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers > thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is > answered. > > Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving > > before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have > > not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more > GENERALLY THE POSTS ARE FAIRLY QUICK, WOULD BE A FAIRLY RARE THAT POSTS TOOK > > THAT LONG TO APPEAR. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT NOT OFTEN. > > Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can > claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. > that is not the way reality works. > SHOULD WORK FAIRLY WELL UNLESS PERSON 3 IS WAITING WITH THEIR DISC READY TO > FIRE UP. > > Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone > else they must post to the list.. > TOO TRUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST AND FAIREST WAY TO GET AROUND > > THIS PROBLEM. NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. > > 1. THAT GETS THE 'REPLY' TO THE QUERY POSTER ASAP, SO THAT THEY MOVE ON WITH > > THEIR RESEARCH. > 2. THAT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE COPYRIGHT > 3. THAT DOESN'T WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. > 4. THAT MAKES CLEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CHOOSES TO > FOLLOW IT UP FURTHER THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. > > SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAS GOT TO BE GOOD. > > Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are > some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker > nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how > much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up > IF RESEARCH IS KEPT PRIVATE, AND YES THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, I FEEL WE AREN'T > SHARING AND FURTHERING OUR 'CAUSE'. > QUICK ANSWER TO THAT, SEND THE INFORMATION OFF LIST. AND BRIEF POST TO THE > LIST ONLY. > > CHRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10% OF COPYRIGHT FREE USAGE. FAR AS I CAN > > RECALL I HAVN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WORKS. THANKS. > > > Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it > will sell more cd;s > WELL, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THEY'D SELL MORE IF THE PRICE WAS MORE > REASONABLE. 50c RAFFLE TICKETS ALWAYS SELL QUICKER THAN THE $ ONES. > > In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with > baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was > received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what > was answered and not waste time looking > The reality is some have a life beside the list > MY THOUGHTS PRECISELY, SO TRYING TO GET AROUND DUPLICATION OF REPLIES TO > PERSON 1. > > I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS > threat of legal action > I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT YES IT DOES SOUND BETTER. > > Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making > them feel their contribution is not needed > WOULD NOT THINK SO. > > We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. > I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a > birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the > same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had > the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. > IF PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE TO LOOK FURTHER AFTER PERSON 2 HAS REPLIED > THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. OR IF PERSON 1 THINKS THEIR QUERY HAS BEEN > FULLY ANSWERED, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO POST AGAIN AND SAY SO. > > I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others > may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact > > person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the > question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 > doesnt then look > MANY TIMES A SINGLE EVENT IS ASKED FOR, A B D OR M, IF IT IS FOUND CASE > CLOSED. IF IT S A BUNCH OF BIRTHS THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT > THE LIKES OF MYSELF AND OTHE RPEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCS AND > RESEARCH WOULD ALSO CHECK FOR VARIATIONS IN NAMES AND CHECK EITHER SIDE OF > DATES GIVEN. AND NOT FORGETTING TO LOOK THOROUGHLY, SIDEWAYS AND AROUND > CORNERS. SOMETHING WHICH I TRY MY BEST TO DO, MAY NOT ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT, > ONLY HUMAN AND SO MUCH TIME, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY. > > CAN I ALSO SAY THAT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME TO AND FRO AND DISCUSSION ON THE > > LIST, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE NOT OFTEN SEEN ON THE LIST. > STEPH. > > Genie > > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 > > > > http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ > > --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: > > From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 > > Dear List Owner and Listers, > > I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run > the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! > > I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query > has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another > Lister > checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off > list' ? > > Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of > Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and > then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know > that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT > WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. > > This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if > one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the > Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info. > > I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the > gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for > others > on this List and in Life in general. > > Judy. > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 > 04:04:00 > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List Members There are 13 responses to this thread....all of which we have gone thru time and time again, search the archives to see this. To all who have written, the reason that SOME answers are not posted to the list has been told before; when any of our great band of helpers uses the SA BDM CD's which are purchased from SA Genealogy office to help with an answer we have an agreement with SAGHS that the information will not be posted to the list in the format on those CD's. Now if a responder wishes to reformat the reply that is okay, eg: here is a birth record for my dear late Mum: Digger - South Australian Births Registrations 1907 to 1928 Query ----- Surname : clement (26 matches) Given Names : d* (26140 matches) Total matching records: 3 -------------------- Surname: CLEMENT Given Names: Daisy May Date: 1917-01-27 Sex: F Father: Norman Henry CLEMENT Mother: Lucy May MACKLIN Birth Place/Residence: Murat Bay District Code: Fli Symbol: Book: 993 Page: 324 Cross Reference: Technically, I am not supposed to forward this format to the list. I could do this : Digger - South Australian Births Registrations 1907 to 1928 Clement, Daisy May was born 27.1.1917 at Murat Bay in the dist of Flinders. Her parents were Norman Henry Clement and Lucy May Macklin. The ref for this birth registration is book 993 and Page 324 But because we also like to help further, many of the helpers will look for other info, other siblings, etc and so this becomes time consuming. Now I know that this seems like a small thing, but to help others this was what we agreed to. If helpers wish to reformat their replies, then the answers can come to the list, but if they choose not to then the "Replied to the LIst" was the answer we came up with. Please lets not keep asking about this on list, there are archives to check for such things. If any one has further comment pls email me direct. I will answer asap. Please also note that Julie has had to fly back to NZ on some personal business and I amm currently in Kununurra on a 'round half of Aust' grey nomad journey. Many days I am not on line and for this I apologise and answer as quickly as I can. Cheers all, Ros On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Doug <doug@praas.com.au> wrote: > I wish all responses went to the list. I don't find it ard to rapidly sort > through uninteresting postings. So list mum, let's encourage all answers > to > go to the whole list as I am used to on other rootsweb lists. Let's get > back to the default "reply" for rootsweb. > > > Regards > Doug > > > > Regards > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Bob May > Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 7:01 PM > To: Aus-sagen > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > woops nearly did it again > Your right Fay however the outo responsponce when replying to a mail is > click reply. There are not that many occasions you would answer on a list > with reply all When you are on several lists it makes it easy for a woops > to > happen bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fay McAliece" <yaf4@bigpond.com> > To: <loracj@westnet.com.au>; "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > > Pardon my ignorance but isn't it just a matter of pressing Reply all > > instead of Reply. > > I'd be interested to learn as I am always nervous about replying to > > the list for just this reason. > > Fay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <loracj@westnet.com.au> > > To: "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > > > >> Hi all, I truly believe that all this has been caused by the reply > >> defaulting to the sender not the mailing list, however that having > >> been said, whilst the mailing list has this little variation to > >> others, I do try to send the details to the list as well and hope > >> everyone is okay with the results posted. > >> Have a good day everyone...........Cj - QLD > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jenny Coates" <jnnyb@aol.com> > >> To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 2:08:17 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / > >> Melbourne / Sydney > >> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > >> > >> Oh, I so agree Michael! > >> The list can be set to automatically send replies to the list. It > >> should then be up to the poster to paraphrase any copyrighted info as > >> you have indicated. > >> > >> Jenny > >> > >> > >> Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob May" <tpibob44@bigpond.com> To: "Bob May" <tpibob44@bigpond.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Carrieton SA - SPRIGGS > Update on date. It is later than I thought. Before the race he had an > accident when he cut his foot with an axe. I found an article on that so > it has to be after that date. > The Advertiser (Adelaide SA 1889-1931, Tuesday 22 August 1899 page 9 > TWO ACCIDENTS > Cockburn August 20 > On Friday morning a woodcarter named A. Spriggs met with a painful > accident while cutting wood. The axe, glancing of the wood glancingly > cutting his foot Mr H H Tayler at the Border Gate Hotel bandaged the wound > and the p[atient was taken to Broken Hill for medical attendance. > then goes on to the second accident > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob May" <tpibob44@bigpond.com> > To: "Aus-sagen" <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Carrieton SA - SPRIGGS > > >> Thanks Steph, Rob, Joan and Tracey >> Yes Rob thats the family and no not a horse race, a foot race >> Bob >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Thanks to Steph, who checked West Terrace Cemetery Touch Screen this afternoon, Dennis from Dromana (in Victoria) has had his 10 year old brick wall crumbled. Regards Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christene Pycroft" <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] WILLIAM NEWTON died 6 September 1922 >I wonder is any-one heading out to West Terrace Cemetery in the near >future, and could do a look-up for me, please > > I am looking for a burial for WILLIAM NEWTON, died at Fullerton 6 > September 1922, age 79 His residence was recorded as Glencoe > > > Thanks Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 04:04:00

Hi Listers, I am looking for a James BEESLEY, son of James BEESLEY and Elizabeth CONSIDINE, of Drayton, Berkshire. He migrated to Sydney 22 June 1874 on the ship Jerusalem. at which time his age was 20. So, this is definitely a nephew of my g-grandfather, the convict John BEESLEY/BEASLEY ... the puzzle being, what happened to James after his arrival? A possible clue is these two entries in the Beta newspapers: *** The Advertiser_, Monday 11 December 1905, p10 LOST, from Park Lands, Sunday morning, Straw- berry Cow, near calving.—James Beesley, Maud-st., near Unley-rd. *** *** _The Advertiser, 10 August 1906, p.4 SANDERS- BEESLEY.—On the 27th June, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. T.J. Gore, M.A., Harold Alfred, eldest son of Henry John Sanders, to Louie, second daughter of Jamestown, both of New Parkside. *** Can anyone tell me who this James BEESLEY is - whether he might be the Baker from Berkshire? I would be interested to know, either way ... I had no idea until recently that another member of my BEESLEY line had turned up in Australia :-) Cheers, Lesley (Now living in cold, *soggy* Nundle, NSW)

I wish all responses went to the list. I don't find it hard to rapidly sort through uninteresting postings. So list mum, let's encourage all answers to go to the whole list as I am used to on other rootsweb lists. Let's get back to the default "reply" for rootsweb. Regards Doug Regards Doug -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob May Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 7:01 PM To: Aus-sagen Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. woops nearly did it again Your right Fay however the outo responsponce when replying to a mail is click reply. There are not that many occasions you would answer on a list with reply all When you are on several lists it makes it easy for a woops to happen bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay McAliece" <yaf4@bigpond.com> To: <loracj@westnet.com.au>; "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > Pardon my ignorance but isn't it just a matter of pressing Reply all > instead of Reply. > I'd be interested to learn as I am always nervous about replying to > the list for just this reason. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <loracj@westnet.com.au> > To: "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > >> Hi all, I truly believe that all this has been caused by the reply >> defaulting to the sender not the mailing list, however that having >> been said, whilst the mailing list has this little variation to >> others, I do try to send the details to the list as well and hope >> everyone is okay with the results posted. >> Have a good day everyone...........Cj - QLD >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jenny Coates" <jnnyb@aol.com> >> To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 2:08:17 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / >> Melbourne / Sydney >> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. >> >> Oh, I so agree Michael! >> The list can be set to automatically send replies to the list. It >> should then be up to the poster to paraphrase any copyrighted info as >> you have indicated. >> >> Jenny >> >> >> Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So full of Shit that I find it hard to believe it. I doubt they can even spell "courtesy". Is Genie a "protected species" as far at your List Fuhrer is concerned?? No need to launch another diatribe ....sorry, shitstorm - Genie, I know what you feel & how "well" you can express it. Get off the List, my friends!! It is owned by these "people" wholly & solely. And where is Heather Hobbis in all this?? -----Original Message----- From: Stephanie Cocks [mailto:steph-ken@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 6:53 PM To: Genie; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Judy Holding Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. I'd like to make some further comments, and for ease will reply under Genie's comments, marked thus **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the list. Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal action if people copy directly from "their" CD's Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the info from the cd to suit SAGHS. THE WAY I WORK IS TO COPY/PASTE THE CD INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO AN EMAIL WHICH GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE QUERY. THUS NOT PUTTING COPYRIGHTED INFORMATION ONTO THE LIST. THEREBY NOT RISKING THE IRE OF SAGHS. THEN A QUICK POST TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, TO THE LIST. Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to waste doing that. COULD NOT AGREE MORE CHRIS. In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... person 2 would answer and post a reply to the list.. which again would instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is answered. Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more GENERALLY THE POSTS ARE FAIRLY QUICK, WOULD BE A FAIRLY RARE THAT POSTS TOOK THAT LONG TO APPEAR. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT NOT OFTEN. Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. that is not the way reality works. SHOULD WORK FAIRLY WELL UNLESS PERSON 3 IS WAITING WITH THEIR DISC READY TO FIRE UP. Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone else they must post to the list.. TOO TRUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST AND FAIREST WAY TO GET AROUND THIS PROBLEM. NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. 1. THAT GETS THE 'REPLY' TO THE QUERY POSTER ASAP, SO THAT THEY MOVE ON WITH THEIR RESEARCH. 2. THAT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE COPYRIGHT 3. THAT DOESN'T WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. 4. THAT MAKES CLEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CHOOSES TO FOLLOW IT UP FURTHER THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAS GOT TO BE GOOD. Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up IF RESEARCH IS KEPT PRIVATE, AND YES THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, I FEEL WE AREN'T SHARING AND FURTHERING OUR 'CAUSE'. QUICK ANSWER TO THAT, SEND THE INFORMATION OFF LIST. AND BRIEF POST TO THE LIST ONLY. CHRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10% OF COPYRIGHT FREE USAGE. FAR AS I CAN RECALL I HAVN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WORKS. THANKS. Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it will sell more cd;s WELL, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THEY'D SELL MORE IF THE PRICE WAS MORE REASONABLE. 50c RAFFLE TICKETS ALWAYS SELL QUICKER THAN THE $ ONES. In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what was answered and not waste time looking The reality is some have a life beside the list MY THOUGHTS PRECISELY, SO TRYING TO GET AROUND DUPLICATION OF REPLIES TO PERSON 1. I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS threat of legal action I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT YES IT DOES SOUND BETTER. Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making them feel their contribution is not needed WOULD NOT THINK SO. We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. IF PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE TO LOOK FURTHER AFTER PERSON 2 HAS REPLIED THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. OR IF PERSON 1 THINKS THEIR QUERY HAS BEEN FULLY ANSWERED, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO POST AGAIN AND SAY SO. I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 doesnt then look MANY TIMES A SINGLE EVENT IS ASKED FOR, A B D OR M, IF IT IS FOUND CASE CLOSED. IF IT S A BUNCH OF BIRTHS THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE LIKES OF MYSELF AND OTHE RPEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCS AND RESEARCH WOULD ALSO CHECK FOR VARIATIONS IN NAMES AND CHECK EITHER SIDE OF DATES GIVEN. AND NOT FORGETTING TO LOOK THOROUGHLY, SIDEWAYS AND AROUND CORNERS. SOMETHING WHICH I TRY MY BEST TO DO, MAY NOT ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT, ONLY HUMAN AND SO MUCH TIME, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY. CAN I ALSO SAY THAT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME TO AND FRO AND DISCUSSION ON THE LIST, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE NOT OFTEN SEEN ON THE LIST. STEPH. Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 Dear List Owner and Listers, I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another Lister checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off list' ? Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info. I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for others on this List and in Life in general. Judy. Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 04:04:00

woops nearly did it again Your right Fay however the outo responsponce when replying to a mail is click reply. There are not that many occasions you would answer on a list with reply all When you are on several lists it makes it easy for a woops to happen bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay McAliece" <yaf4@bigpond.com> To: <loracj@westnet.com.au>; "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > Pardon my ignorance but isn't it just a matter of pressing > Reply all instead of Reply. > I'd be interested to learn as I am always nervous about > replying to the list for just this reason. > Fay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <loracj@westnet.com.au> > To: "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > >> Hi all, I truly believe that all this has been caused by the reply >> defaulting to the sender not the mailing list, however that having been >> said, whilst the mailing list has this little variation to others, I do >> try to send the details to the list as well and hope everyone is okay >> with >> the results posted. >> Have a good day everyone...........Cj - QLD >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jenny Coates" <jnnyb@aol.com> >> To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 2:08:17 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne >> / >> Sydney >> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. >> >> Oh, I so agree Michael! >> The list can be set to automatically send replies to the list. It should >> then be up to the poster to paraphrase any copyrighted info as you have >> indicated. >> >> Jenny >> >> >> Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Sorry forgot the *** and used caps, not meaning to shout... Steph.

I'd like to make some further comments, and for ease will reply under Genie's comments, marked thus **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the list. Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal action if people copy directly from "their" CD's Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the info from the cd to suit SAGHS. THE WAY I WORK IS TO COPY/PASTE THE CD INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO AN EMAIL WHICH GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE QUERY. THUS NOT PUTTING COPYRIGHTED INFORMATION ONTO THE LIST. THEREBY NOT RISKING THE IRE OF SAGHS. THEN A QUICK POST TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, TO THE LIST. Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to waste doing that. COULD NOT AGREE MORE CHRIS. In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... person 2 would answer and post a reply to the list.. which again would instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is answered. Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more GENERALLY THE POSTS ARE FAIRLY QUICK, WOULD BE A FAIRLY RARE THAT POSTS TOOK THAT LONG TO APPEAR. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT NOT OFTEN. Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. that is not the way reality works. SHOULD WORK FAIRLY WELL UNLESS PERSON 3 IS WAITING WITH THEIR DISC READY TO FIRE UP. Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone else they must post to the list.. TOO TRUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST AND FAIREST WAY TO GET AROUND THIS PROBLEM. NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. 1. THAT GETS THE 'REPLY' TO THE QUERY POSTER ASAP, SO THAT THEY MOVE ON WITH THEIR RESEARCH. 2. THAT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE COPYRIGHT 3. THAT DOESN'T WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. 4. THAT MAKES CLEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CHOOSES TO FOLLOW IT UP FURTHER THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAS GOT TO BE GOOD. Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up IF RESEARCH IS KEPT PRIVATE, AND YES THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, I FEEL WE AREN'T SHARING AND FURTHERING OUR 'CAUSE'. QUICK ANSWER TO THAT, SEND THE INFORMATION OFF LIST. AND BRIEF POST TO THE LIST ONLY. CHRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10% OF COPYRIGHT FREE USAGE. FAR AS I CAN RECALL I HAVN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WORKS. THANKS. Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it will sell more cd;s WELL, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THEY'D SELL MORE IF THE PRICE WAS MORE REASONABLE. 50c RAFFLE TICKETS ALWAYS SELL QUICKER THAN THE $ ONES. In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what was answered and not waste time looking The reality is some have a life beside the list MY THOUGHTS PRECISELY, SO TRYING TO GET AROUND DUPLICATION OF REPLIES TO PERSON 1. I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS threat of legal action I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT YES IT DOES SOUND BETTER. Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making them feel their contribution is not needed WOULD NOT THINK SO. We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. IF PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE TO LOOK FURTHER AFTER PERSON 2 HAS REPLIED THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. OR IF PERSON 1 THINKS THEIR QUERY HAS BEEN FULLY ANSWERED, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO POST AGAIN AND SAY SO. I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 doesnt then look MANY TIMES A SINGLE EVENT IS ASKED FOR, A B D OR M, IF IT IS FOUND CASE CLOSED. IF IT S A BUNCH OF BIRTHS THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE LIKES OF MYSELF AND OTHE RPEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCS AND RESEARCH WOULD ALSO CHECK FOR VARIATIONS IN NAMES AND CHECK EITHER SIDE OF DATES GIVEN. AND NOT FORGETTING TO LOOK THOROUGHLY, SIDEWAYS AND AROUND CORNERS. SOMETHING WHICH I TRY MY BEST TO DO, MAY NOT ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT, ONLY HUMAN AND SO MUCH TIME, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY. CAN I ALSO SAY THAT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME TO AND FRO AND DISCUSSION ON THE LIST, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE NOT OFTEN SEEN ON THE LIST. STEPH. Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 Dear List Owner and Listers, I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another Lister checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off list' ? Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info. I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for others on this List and in Life in general. Judy. Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 04:04:00

Hi Chris & All, Checked at WTC this arvo. There is/was a NEWTON William b there, WTC has d date 7/9/1922. The screen is up and running, but not printing. ? out of paper I don't know,no-one to ask. When prints are available there is a tad more information, but not for today. Thought - Chris wondering if this death might have a deathnotice in the Advertiser, not sure off the top of my head if the TROVE site is this far ahead though. Steph. :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christene Pycroft" <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] WILLIAM NEWTON died 6 September 1922 >I wonder is any-one heading out to West Terrace Cemetery in the near >future, and could do a look-up for me, please > > I am looking for a burial for WILLIAM NEWTON, died at Fullerton 6 > September 1922, age 79 His residence was recorded as Glencoe > > > Thanks Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 04:04:00

Excellently expressed Genie, Thank you and well done. Col Paterson (Banana Bender)

Pardon my ignorance but isn't it just a matter of pressing Reply all instead of Reply. I'd be interested to learn as I am always nervous about replying to the list for just this reason. Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: <loracj@westnet.com.au> To: "Aus-sagen" <Aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > Hi all, I truly believe that all this has been caused by the reply > defaulting to the sender not the mailing list, however that having been > said, whilst the mailing list has this little variation to others, I do > try to send the details to the list as well and hope everyone is okay with > the results posted. > Have a good day everyone...........Cj - QLD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny Coates" <jnnyb@aol.com> > To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 13 August, 2010 2:08:17 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / > Sydney > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > Oh, I so agree Michael! > The list can be set to automatically send replies to the list. It should > then be up to the poster to paraphrase any copyrighted info as you have > indicated. > > Jenny > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Steph, Rob, Joan and Tracey Yes Rob thats the family and no not a horse race, a foot race Bob -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4473 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Sorry Graham, Christene Pycroft and Stephanie Cocks plus a couple of others are helping me with their expertise on the 10+ year brickwall of mine, where was my G grandfather buried, which accounts for the messages on this coming from a number of people, and if they help sort this one out will be on my "Christmas card list" forever lol. My William NEWTON was born (Baptised) 16 May 1844 in Bridgetown, County Clare, Ireland and emigrated to Mount Gambier with 3 brothers and 2 sisters, their parents followed later as well to Mount Gambier. He pretty much stayed around Mount Gambier other than a short period in Murtoa VIC, then back to the Mount. I always suspected that the death details that had been posted were his, but could not prove it. Looking through the Border Watch (Mount Gambier newspaper) last night found a reference to a death notice for a William Newton around the same date. I suspected he was visiting Adelaide when he died as his Residence was shown as Glencoe, which is where he was living with his daughter before visiting Adelaide. There are dark skeletons in the closet, so I could get no information out of the older generation. Never ever discount any information, no matter how small, save it away in case it connects later. Dennis Newton. -----Original Message----- From: graham dixon [mailto:grahamdixon@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 2:05 PM To: Christene Pycroft Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] WILLIAM NEWTON died 6 September 1922 Hi, I am clutching at straws, and wondering if you have any reason to think that your William NEWTON may have once been a farm manager near Timaru, in the south island of New Zealand. I have one who goes missing. Don't know parents but was married 1874 so roughly right age. cheers Graham Dixon (Auckland, New Zealand)

Hi i love the queries and answers because it quiet often relates too the questions and answers i have been searching for, for ages.Thank god for this list. Bring them on. Lawrie.

Hi John, There is a very nice gentleman named Peter Swann who is a contact for the Kapunda Catholic Cemetery online at http://www.australiancemeteries.com/sa/light/stjohnrc.htm He may? have access to the Kapunda Newspaper but I'm not sure of the years that the newspaper ran for. May be worth you trying, Good Luck, Sharon -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Bird" <johnkb13@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:01 PM To: <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Albert Bird and Kapunda > > Hi I am trying to find an article about an athletics event held ion > Kapunda on 18 September 1872. I have looked at nla newspapers on-line > which the South Australian Advertiser of 18th September mentions the event > is to occur, but I cannot find any articles after the event. The athletic > program was arranged by Albert Edward Bird, my great grandfather, who was > to run 11 miles in under an hour, as the main attraction of the day. Any > assistance would be appreciated. regards John Bird > >

On Friday 13 August 2010 12:02:19 Freda wrote: > I personally have always tried to follow the philosophy that if a question > is asked on the list, > then it should generally be answered on the list, unless it breaches > copyright etc. > or contains photos or attachments etc. eg SAGHS BDM extracted data in their > format, which they get touchy about. > This is the only FH list I subscribe to (and I am on about 20 lists) where there is this fetish about not posting answers to the list. Frankly I find it annoying. I keep opening messages that contain no information. If there really is some concern about breaching copyright, then paraphrasing the data is enough to get around that, along with an acknowledgment of the source, which should always be done anyway as data without a source is unsatisfactory. I am a member of lists where people do Ancestry lookups for other people and then post to the list. Ancestry doesn't seem to bother too much about it, so why are we being so precious here? -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther, St Breock & Egloshayle, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

Hi Listers, Thanks for all the look ups, he was found in the National Archives Internees were dealt with separately. Regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith" <judith.bn@bigpond.com> To: <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] SA Death Look up Please? > Could some kind soul look up death of an ` internee' of Japanese > extraction in SA in 1943 please. The surname is TOMIDA __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5362 (20100813) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com