Have sent the requested details to Lesley. I too am researching the same Hood family. Cheers, Barb ( in cold wet windy McLaren Vale)

Gday:)Ater reading various comments on this list, i would like to offer thanks to all those on here, steph, chris(genie), Heather(havent seen her for awhile) etc that have helped me with my queries U folks do a marvellous job and greatly appreciated Cheers regards cathy:)

Gday all:) re the posting re Home For Incurables, what early records do they have, and who has these records available please? one of my ancestors was in there, died in 1921 there     Re Constable records, my ggrandfather was a Constable in SA for a very short Period, JOHN HARE , born circa 1816 somewhere???lol cant find any records here in SA which actually says where he was born, or can find a marriage record for him There was apparently another John Hare too who was a Constable Can anyone think of where i can get any records here which might state actually where he was born   He was in Destitute asylum Died in 1904, but doesnt state exactly in england etc where he was born   Also friend asking here have any more Marriage records been released by SAGHS yet, and while im with SAGHS lol will they ever bring out pension discounts as they are a tad expensive regards cathy:)      

Hi Robbie.. thanks very much for this info.. I did that yesterday in SA papers and got a heap of unrelated stuff...lol I will try on this Regards.... Liz fireopal61@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bodey L&R Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 10:30 AM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed on Port Pirie History Liz, perhaps try keywords "Symonds Bros" rather than Symonds Emporium. NLA Australian Newspapers http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ The partnership carried on by the undersigned, under the style of "SYMONDS BROS" at Alexander Street Port Pirie has this day been dissolved by mutual consent. The business will be carried on under the style of "SYMONDS BROS" by Richard Gilbert Symonds, Stanley Symonds and William Symonds who will pay and discharge all the debts and liabilities of the late partnership, and to whom all the outstanding accounts must be paid. Dated September 17, 1904 GEO. SYMONDS R.G. SYMONDS W. SYMONDS S. SYMONDS Witness - P. Hague, Solicitor, Port Pirie http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5007932?searchTerm=%22stanley+s ymonds%22 Cheers ... Robbie WA -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz C Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 7:53 AM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed on Port Pirie History Hi all  I am wondering if anyone has some Books on Port Pirie back in the late 1890’s through to about 1920, about business in the town. In particular I am looking for Symonds Emporium. My grandfather Stanley Symonds was a cabinet maker as far as I know according to family lore and worked and/or owned this in conjunction with his brother or brothers. Any information would be most welcome  Regards.... Liz fireopal61@gmail.com Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz, Confirming what Robbie has posted, the 1903 SA Postal Directory has for Pt Pirie, George, Richard G., William & Stanley SYMONDS (Symonds Bros.). There is an entry above those just mentioned which is a bit hard to decipher but may mean Jno. H. Laury, Manager, Symonds Bros. Store and undertakers. There is a separate entry for S SYMONDS, cabinet maker of Solomontown. (Solomontown more or less same place as Pt Pirie). In the 1924 Sands Directory:- R.G. SYMONDS is mentioned as one of the Resident Justices of Pt Pirie. He is a JP and Storekeeper. He is further mentioned SYMONDS R.G., J.P (Symonds Bros.) Pt Pirie. Stan SYMONDS is a cabinet maker, Pt Pirie Mrs Symonds, bdghskpr (boarding house keeper?) Pt Pirie Geo Symonds, farmer at Wudinna SA W Symonds, salesman, "Hessle", Hargrave St., Semaphore ( the only W Symonds mentioned). Symond Bros. storekeepers is still mentioned in Pt Pirie in the Business Directory section. Regards, Sharon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Liz C" <fireopal61@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 9:22 AM To: <AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com> Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed on Port Pirie History > Hi all > I am wondering if anyone has some Books on Port Pirie back in the late > 1890's through to about 1920, about business in the town. In particular I > am > looking for Symonds Emporium. My grandfather Stanley Symonds was a cabinet > maker as far as I know according to family lore and worked and/or owned > this > in conjunction with his brother or brothers. Any information would be most > welcome > > > Regards.... Liz > fireopal61@gmail.com > > > > > > >

Well said Merlyn.. Regards.... Liz fireopal61@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merilyn Pedrick Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 12:52 PM To: AUS-SAGEN Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Fw: Re: Queries and Answers. As a fairly new list member and the recipient of much help from many people here recently, may I make a comment? One of the Rootsweb mailing lists I belong to the Gen-Medieval list where there are any number of flame wars at any given time. New people to that list are sometimes horrified by the personal insults that are hurled around. However ......... Amongst all that hoohar there are gems of information which open up gates in brick walls and generally move all of us back several generations in time if we share those ancestors. When I joined that list about 15 years ago I thought I must have been the only person on the planet who wasn't descended from Edward III, but with the help and guidance of scholars and ordinary listers I now have over 30,000 people on my database, many of whom are from medieval and beyond, (and including Edward III). If I had left the list because I was shocked by the bad manners of some of the listers, I wouldn't have found all that information. So, let's have everything out in the open and let's not be too precious about our own feelings. I'd love to see other peoples' research here and I m sure others would too. If the replies to queries are sent to the person asking the question, none of the rest of us are going to benefit if we can't see the replies. Perhaps in the case of the copyright on certain information it could be paraphrased? Best wishes Merilyn Pedrick Aldgate Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a fairly new list member and the recipient of much help from many people here recently, may I make a comment? One of the Rootsweb mailing lists I belong to the Gen-Medieval list where there are any number of flame wars at any given time. New people to that list are sometimes horrified by the personal insults that are hurled around. However ......... Amongst all that hoohar there are gems of information which open up gates in brick walls and generally move all of us back several generations in time if we share those ancestors. When I joined that list about 15 years ago I thought I must have been the only person on the planet who wasn't descended from Edward III, but with the help and guidance of scholars and ordinary listers I now have over 30,000 people on my database, many of whom are from medieval and beyond, (and including Edward III). If I had left the list because I was shocked by the bad manners of some of the listers, I wouldn't have found all that information. So, let's have everything out in the open and let's not be too precious about our own feelings. I'd love to see other peoples' research here and I m sure others would too. If the replies to queries are sent to the person asking the question, none of the rest of us are going to benefit if we can't see the replies. Perhaps in the case of the copyright on certain information it could be paraphrased? Best wishes Merilyn Pedrick Aldgate

Ros I think the system was having troubles for a period last night as I got messages bounced and then later it worked. Get Di To try again and see if it works. Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Dunstall" <daisygirl.1212@gmail.com> To: "aus-sagen-l" <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Migrant Records of the 1836 Ship Africaine > Hi List Members, > Here is a message from Di Cumming who is having trouble getting 'the > message > across' :-) > Great detective work Di, it is amazing w > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: <dicummings2003@email.com> > Date: Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: urgent > To: daisygirl.1212@gmail.com > > > Hi Ros. Four times I have tried to send the following to the list. > Each time it has been knocked by by Mail-Dameon ?? > > here it is. please post it on the list for me: > > > aus-sagen@rootsweb.com > Migrant Records of the 1836 Ship Africaine > > Greetings all. Am very pleased to say - the following are TWO very > important > developments regarding the sharing of historical items relating to South > Australia: > > 1. I have just received the following email from someone who seems to be > the > only one who can say yes or no. > > In our recent telephone conversation, I made a commitment to you to find a > resolution regarding the granting of permission for you to publish records > relating to the Africaine. I consider records of this nature are > definitely > in the public's best interest to be widely available and therefore if > permission is still necessary, then consider it granted. I have spent > some > time viewing your website and found it incredibly interesting. I wish you > well in your future endeavours. > ======================== > 2. I have just spent a week at the State Records at Gepps Cross, > researching > shipping documents which are not available at SLSA. > I thought that SLSA had photocopies of them all. It appears not. I am > reminded of the saying "do not presume". > > I believe you will all want to know that my newest CD has been delayed > because of all this extra information [nearly 400 extra names not > previously > recorded]. > I am sure you would rather have it all at the one time, rather than wait > for > any addendums to be provided at some other time. > > Whilst there I mentioned that the Victorian State Library have microfilm > readers that are attached to computers > which enable us researchers to save documents onto our memory sticks, > instead of having to pay [often large amounts] to photocopy same. > > This Tuesday I went the the State Records Office in Leigh Street, to > continue this research. > To my delight, I was advised that one machine at Leigh Street is now > available to save documents onto our memory sticks. > This decision has just happened. I've said my thanks to the wo/man up > stairs > [you know - that someone who looks after us all]. > ================== > These two developments will make an immence difference to us researchers. > It may be that I have made a difference. However I believe that I have > just > contributed to a decision that was almost ready to be made. > > I am smiling. Are you ? > I am happy. Are you ? > I understand that some may think the above might be off topic. > If so, may I suggest you think again - or get your heads read. > > My latest cat scan shows that my brain looks just as it should, > and the cancer cells in my lungs are definitely shrinking. > > If Bob May happens to be reading this - please email me. > I have found some interesting info regarding the Everards. > If anyone else on the list is interested, I am happy to share this > information. > > Remember - a smile uses a whole lot less muscles than a frown > and those two words THANK YOU can mean a whole lot > to anyone who is doing the best they can, in this difficult world. > > Keep smiling and cheers from Di Cummings of Melbourne > > http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings Listers From the amount of bickering in the last few days, people have time on their hands. (And hey, it's a democracy. We should bicker occasionally to prove that.) SO PLEASE can some quiet / under- extended person volunteer to try to find a small part of an answer to this puzzle? My missing Aus lad has proved impossible for years, and it's such a common name that I guess many see it as not worth even attempting. Details: Winifred Callaghan, 14-year-old Irish Famine orphan, was shipped to Australia on the Maria in 1850. (End of the Earl Grey scheme.) She married (Cornishman) Master Mariner Richard Plummer Burgess, who drowned off New Zealand in 1863. I’m missing two of Win’s children, last seen in a NZ orphanage. William Henry Burgess, b 1858, and Thomas Alfred Burgess, b 1862, "went back to Australia and Ireland” (but which did which?) family legend says. The next generation, born about 1890 – 1920, should have family names Richard, Winifred, possibly Gertrude, and the usual Mary- Thomas-William-Henrys. I have partly traced many of the possible people in the on-line NSW BDMs, and hunted the cemeteries lists, but their names are too ordinary to let me make progress. I descend from Win and Richard's oldest son, Richard Henry, who stayed in NZ. A younger daughter Elizabeth married John Hiles in NSW, and I've traced her family. Many thanks for any ideas on where I can find either of my missing lads. (Yes, they fail to show in the Ireland 1901 and 1911 Censuses . . . . ) Please contact me at migseder@clear.net.nz - Migs Eder, Christchurch, New Zealand. Civilisation is a movement and not a condition, a voyage and not a harbour - Arnold Toynbee, English historian, 1889 - 1975

Hi to all listers, I am searching for the birth details of a Robert HOOD born about 1878. His father should be James HOOD. Mother ? I would also like the birth details of his siblings if that is not too much of an inconvenience. Thanks in advance, Lesley In sunny Liverpool, NSW

I would like to wholeheartedly thank those that have helped me in finding my G grandfather, William NEWTON's grave, plus all the other information that has come to light in the search for him. Many thanks to Stephanie, Christene, genie and any others that I have missed. It is the help and time given from people like this that make this list so great! Dennis Newton.

Hi Listers, I will be sending the Info on Albert Edward Bird's run. Kind regards, Judy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bird" <johnkb13@hotmail.com> To: <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Albert Bird and Kapunda > > Hi I am trying to find an article about an athletics event held ion > Kapunda on 18 September 1872. I have looked at nla newspapers on-line > which the South Australian Advertiser of 18th September mentions the event > is to occur, but I cannot find any articles after the event. The athletic > program was arranged by Albert Edward Bird, my great grandfather, who was > to run 11 miles in under an hour, as the main attraction of the day. Any > assistance would be appreciated. regards John Bird > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List Members, Here is a message from Di Cumming who is having trouble getting 'the message across' :-) Great detective work Di, it is amazing w ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <dicummings2003@email.com> Date: Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM Subject: Re: urgent To: daisygirl.1212@gmail.com Hi Ros. Four times I have tried to send the following to the list. Each time it has been knocked by by Mail-Dameon ?? here it is. please post it on the list for me: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com Migrant Records of the 1836 Ship Africaine Greetings all. Am very pleased to say - the following are TWO very important developments regarding the sharing of historical items relating to South Australia: 1. I have just received the following email from someone who seems to be the only one who can say yes or no. In our recent telephone conversation, I made a commitment to you to find a resolution regarding the granting of permission for you to publish records relating to the Africaine. I consider records of this nature are definitely in the public's best interest to be widely available and therefore if permission is still necessary, then consider it granted. I have spent some time viewing your website and found it incredibly interesting. I wish you well in your future endeavours. ======================== 2. I have just spent a week at the State Records at Gepps Cross, researching shipping documents which are not available at SLSA. I thought that SLSA had photocopies of them all. It appears not. I am reminded of the saying "do not presume". I believe you will all want to know that my newest CD has been delayed because of all this extra information [nearly 400 extra names not previously recorded]. I am sure you would rather have it all at the one time, rather than wait for any addendums to be provided at some other time. Whilst there I mentioned that the Victorian State Library have microfilm readers that are attached to computers which enable us researchers to save documents onto our memory sticks, instead of having to pay [often large amounts] to photocopy same. This Tuesday I went the the State Records Office in Leigh Street, to continue this research. To my delight, I was advised that one machine at Leigh Street is now available to save documents onto our memory sticks. This decision has just happened. I've said my thanks to the wo/man up stairs [you know - that someone who looks after us all]. ================== These two developments will make an immence difference to us researchers. It may be that I have made a difference. However I believe that I have just contributed to a decision that was almost ready to be made. I am smiling. Are you ? I am happy. Are you ? I understand that some may think the above might be off topic. If so, may I suggest you think again - or get your heads read. My latest cat scan shows that my brain looks just as it should, and the cancer cells in my lungs are definitely shrinking. If Bob May happens to be reading this - please email me. I have found some interesting info regarding the Everards. If anyone else on the list is interested, I am happy to share this information. Remember - a smile uses a whole lot less muscles than a frown and those two words THANK YOU can mean a whole lot to anyone who is doing the best they can, in this difficult world. Keep smiling and cheers from Di Cummings of Melbourne http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm

Hi all  I am wondering if anyone has some Books on Port Pirie back in the late 1890’s through to about 1920, about business in the town. In particular I am looking for Symonds Emporium. My grandfather Stanley Symonds was a cabinet maker as far as I know according to family lore and worked and/or owned this in conjunction with his brother or brothers. Any information would be most welcome  Regards.... Liz fireopal61@gmail.com

Thanks Judy... Dennis Newton (from Dromana in Victoria) will be so pleased to receive this information. Every bit helps.. Regards Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA -----Original Message----- From: abhcon [mailto:abhcon@senet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 8:55 AM To: Christene Pycroft Subject: RE: [AUS-SAGEN] Inquest Mary Harriet NEWTON Hi Chris, >From the South Australian Police Gazette May 18 1904 pg 84 14th May, 1904." At Mount Gambier, on the 12th instant, on the body of Mary Harriett Newton. Verdict--" Mary Harriett Newton came to her death by falling down the well on her husband's premises, on Monday, May 9th, 1904, and that there is no evidence to show whether it was accidental or intentional." Cheers Judy -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christene Pycroft Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 10:05 AM To: aus-sagen@rootsweb.com; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Inquest Mary Harriet NEWTON According an article in the Borderwatch Newspaper, an Inquest lead by H Chambers J.P. was held at Suttontown (Mount Gambier) on 9 May 1904, into the death of Mary Harriet NEWTON Taking into account this was over 100 years ago, please can some-one point me in the right direction to finding the original Inquest report Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the information Genie... Will follow this up Cheers Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA ________________________________ From: Genie [mailto:c_tillett@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 1:48 AM To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Christene Pycroft Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Hospital/s Fullerton 1920 The Home for Incurables was founded on the 23rd September 1878 and it was incorporated on 23 October 1879. Changed to Julia Farr Centre I n 1981 the Home was re-named Julia Farr Centre after Mrs Julia Farr, one of the founders of the Home. In 1995 the name of the Centre was changed to Julia Farr Services to reflect the changing focus and range of services. Fisher St Fullarton http://history.dircsa.org.au/1800-1899/home-for-incurables/ Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Sat, 14/8/10, Christene Pycroft <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> wrote: From: Christene Pycroft <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Hospital/s Fullerton 1920 To: "AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 14 August, 2010, 2:07 Does anyone know what Hospital/s would have been in the Fullerton area in 1920. Would appreciate any help or direction of where to look. Many thanks Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com</mc/compose?to=AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liz, perhaps try keywords "Symonds Bros" rather than Symonds Emporium. NLA Australian Newspapers http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ The partnership carried on by the undersigned, under the style of "SYMONDS BROS" at Alexander Street Port Pirie has this day been dissolved by mutual consent. The business will be carried on under the style of "SYMONDS BROS" by Richard Gilbert Symonds, Stanley Symonds and William Symonds who will pay and discharge all the debts and liabilities of the late partnership, and to whom all the outstanding accounts must be paid. Dated September 17, 1904 GEO. SYMONDS R.G. SYMONDS W. SYMONDS S. SYMONDS Witness - P. Hague, Solicitor, Port Pirie http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5007932?searchTerm=%22stanley+s ymonds%22 Cheers ... Robbie WA -----Original Message----- From: aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-sagen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz C Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 7:53 AM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Help needed on Port Pirie History Hi all  I am wondering if anyone has some Books on Port Pirie back in the late 1890’s through to about 1920, about business in the town. In particular I am looking for Symonds Emporium. My grandfather Stanley Symonds was a cabinet maker as far as I know according to family lore and worked and/or owned this in conjunction with his brother or brothers. Any information would be most welcome  Regards.... Liz fireopal61@gmail.com

Does anyone know what Hospital/s would have been in the Fullerton area in 1920. Would appreciate any help or direction of where to look. Many thanks Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta

Doing the right thing. For those not interested in this topic, please move on to the next query/response on this list. Before I begin I would like to say that the following is not meant as criticism. Rather, it is an effort to change a negative into a positive. Recently we have seen the following comments: * I am writing to express my disappointment about how this List is being run the last few months. Sure not like it used to be! I GUESS WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT LIFE DOES GET IN THE WAY FOR MANY OF US. SOME CONTRIBUTORS HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH "OTHER THINGS" SUCH AS FAMILY ISSUES, OR HEALTH OR ARE JUST "TAKING A DEEP BREATH" BEFORE GETTING BACK TO "WORK" - YES IT IS WORK, AND WE DO IT BECAUSE "WE WANT TO HELP". * I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for others on this List and in Life in general. THIS LIST IS WHAT YOU AND I MAKE OF IT. SOME GRUMBLE AND PROCRASTINATE. THIS IS NOT A REASONABLE WAY TO BEHAVE - REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. IF WE HELP EACH OTHER, THE LIST WILL SURVIVE. OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED LAST WEEK MAY BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO WHAT IS HAPPENING THIS WEEK. CHANGE can be hard, or OK - depending on how we all deal with it. * sometimes I even hesitate to put anything to the list for fear of someone saying something/anything.... STEAK CAN BE OVERDONE. AN OCCASIONAL BIT OF LIGHT RELIEF OFTEN HELPS US WEARY LISTERS CRACK A SMILE AS WE CARRY ON 'TRYING TO HELP'. * A number of our Listers spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. HMMM - "THE RIGHT WAY" AND "GETTING AWAY WITH IT" - these phrases are so open to interpretation. The former - please indicate you are prepared to respond to the query, then let us know briefly how you have responded. The latter - I dont really want to know why some people think others are "Getting Away with it". Getting away with what. It's all a matter of interpretation. Maybe you speak French. I dont. Maybe I speak Cornish. Maybe you dont. It seems to me that maybe the problem is that some people forget that we live in Australia. We are allowed Freedom of Speech here. We are allowed the freedom to think and say what we think. All we need to remember is to be kind and generous, and accept that people can be different and still live well together. * our List Fuhrer I AM ACTUALLY OFFENDED BY THIS STATEMENT. LIST ADMINISTRATORS HAVE PROVIDED US WITH A WONDERFUL FACILITY - TO FIND, TO LEARN, AND TO SHARE. REALLY - WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT. CAN YOU DO BETTER ? ARE YOU PREPARED TO GIVE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO PRODUCE AN INTERESTING CHALLENGING FACILITY SUCH AS THIS ?? AN OFTEN REPEATED MAXIM - IF YOU CANNOT SAY SOMETHING NICE, THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. We cannot expect the list administrators to play watchdog all the time. Knowing they [Julie and Ros] are away is no reason for a lack of courtesy. Sooo - please - ask nicely [a bit of detail helps]. Do not expect an answer immediately. Allow us some time to ourselves - and we will reply to you, just accept that it might not be immediately. Please be courteous and stay friendly. Friends are the salt of the earth. Without salt, life can be bland. Ask nicely, reply clearly, remember to say Thank You. AND SMILE. Oh dear - have I said too much - again ?? Cheers from Di Cummings of Melbourne http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm

I have to make the comment, sometimes I even hesitate to put anything to the list for fear of someone saying something/anything.... What does that say I wonder???? Steph. ----- Original Message ----- From: Genie To: mjphoenix@bigpond.com ; steph-ken@bigpond.com ; aus sagen ; judyfh@bigpond.com ; jan royal Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. Amazing isnt it.. I have only answered one person since the last blow up and still I get abused by people who cant even continue the open discussion we were all having about the subject without personally attacking those who help Its because of the personal attacks way back,(probably before Steph and Mikes time) that stops me AND MANY OTHERS from wanting to contribute directly to the list. Genie http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ --- On Fri, 13/8/10, jan royal <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> wrote: From: jan royal <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. To: mjphoenix@bigpond.com, steph-ken@bigpond.com, c_tillett@yahoo.com.au, "aus sagen" <aus-sagen-l@rootsweb.com>, judyfh@bigpond.com Date: Friday, 13 August, 2010, 22:13 must be Friday the 13th > From: mjphoenix@bigpond.com > To: steph-ken@bigpond.com; c_tillett@yahoo.com.au; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; judyfh@bigpond.com > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:42:19 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > So full of Shit that I find it hard to believe it. > I doubt they can even spell "courtesy". > Is Genie a "protected species" as far at your List Fuhrer is concerned?? > No need to launch another diatribe ....sorry, shitstorm - Genie, I know what > you feel & how "well" you can express it. > > Get off the List, my friends!! It is owned by these "people" wholly & > solely. And where is Heather Hobbis in all this?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephanie Cocks [mailto:steph-ken@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 6:53 PM > To: Genie; AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Judy Holding > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > > I'd like to make some further comments, and for ease will reply under > Genie's comments, marked thus **** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genie" <c_tillett@yahoo.com.au> > To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; "Judy Holding" <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > > > Unfortunatley this list can NOT be programmed to reply automatically to the > list. > > Whilst that is physically possible to do it, it has been made impossible for > > our list owners to do because of the threat to this list from SAGHS of legal > > action if people copy directly from "their" CD's > > Those of us who opt to help others by looking up things from "our cd's" > which we paid exhorbitant prices to own don't have the time to rearrange the > > info from the cd to suit SAGHS. > THE WAY I WORK IS TO COPY/PASTE THE CD INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO AN EMAIL > WHICH GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE QUERY. THUS NOT PUTTING > COPYRIGHTED INFORMATION ONTO THE LIST. THEREBY NOT RISKING THE IRE OF > SAGHS. > THEN A QUICK POST TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, TO THE LIST. > > > Many times Steph and others including me have said we dont have time to > waste doing that. > COULD NOT AGREE MORE CHRIS. > > In a perfect world person 1 would post a question, which would appear > instantly on the list and in other listers inboxes... > person 2 would answer and post a reply to the list.. which again would > instantly appear on the list and in the inbox of other potential helpers > thus saving that person from wasting time re looking up something which is > answered. > > Many time I have seen Steph, Mike and others complain about answers arriving > > before questions, and about messages posted to the list which sometimes have > > not turned up on the list for 24 hrs or more > GENERALLY THE POSTS ARE FAIRLY QUICK, WOULD BE A FAIRLY RARE THAT POSTS TOOK > > THAT LONG TO APPEAR. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT NOT OFTEN. > > Given the reality of delay in messages I fail to understand how anyone can > claim person 2 posting to the list would save person 3 from wasting time.. > that is not the way reality works. > SHOULD WORK FAIRLY WELL UNLESS PERSON 3 IS WAITING WITH THEIR DISC READY TO > FIRE UP. > > Next point is, this is a democracy and no one has the right to tell anyone > else they must post to the list.. > TOO TRUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST AND FAIREST WAY TO GET AROUND > > THIS PROBLEM. NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. > > 1. THAT GETS THE 'REPLY' TO THE QUERY POSTER ASAP, SO THAT THEY MOVE ON WITH > > THEIR RESEARCH. > 2. THAT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE COPYRIGHT > 3. THAT DOESN'T WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. > 4. THAT MAKES CLEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SENT, THEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CHOOSES TO > FOLLOW IT UP FURTHER THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. > > SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND INPUT HAS GOT TO BE GOOD. > > Given my previous point of SAGHS very real threat of legal action there are > some of us who prefer our business to be private and not give the lurker > nasty nazis the chance to sit and add up how many we have answered and how > much of our 10% of copyright Free usuage we have racked up > IF RESEARCH IS KEPT PRIVATE, AND YES THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, I FEEL WE AREN'T > SHARING AND FURTHERING OUR 'CAUSE'. > QUICK ANSWER TO THAT, SEND THE INFORMATION OFF LIST. AND BRIEF POST TO THE > LIST ONLY. > > CHRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10% OF COPYRIGHT FREE USAGE. FAR AS I CAN > > RECALL I HAVN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS AND HOW IT WORKS. THANKS. > > > Lets be honest SAGHS dont want this list to survive because it thinks it > will sell more cd;s > WELL, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THEY'D SELL MORE IF THE PRICE WAS MORE > REASONABLE. 50c RAFFLE TICKETS ALWAYS SELL QUICKER THAN THE $ ONES. > > In a perfect world person 1 who posted the question would be sitting with > baited breath waiting for an answer and then instantly post what was > received , any further follow up questions hence person 3 would know what > was answered and not waste time looking > The reality is some have a life beside the list > MY THOUGHTS PRECISELY, SO TRYING TO GET AROUND DUPLICATION OF REPLIES TO > PERSON 1. > > I must admit I much preferred the way the list used to work before SAGHS > threat of legal action > I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT YES IT DOES SOUND BETTER. > > Bottom line is can the list afford to lose those who do look ups by making > them feel their contribution is not needed > WOULD NOT THINK SO. > > We all research in different ways.. even from the same resource. > I recall a relative of mine saying where did you get that from? It was a > birth of a relative which my relly had been looking for for years (from the > same SA Births cd I have). they are doing a different branch from me. I had > the birth because I use the cd differently from the way they do. > IF PEOPLE DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE TO LOOK FURTHER AFTER PERSON 2 HAS REPLIED > THAT IS THEIR CHOICE ENTIRELY. OR IF PERSON 1 THINKS THEIR QUERY HAS BEEN > FULLY ANSWERED, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO POST AGAIN AND SAY SO. > > I object to "done" for that reason..it stops others looking when the others > may be the person who finds something person 2 missed. Consequently the fact > > person 3 doesnt look means that it is possible person 1 who posted the > question misses out on info all because person 2 posted "done" and person 3 > doesnt then look > MANY TIMES A SINGLE EVENT IS ASKED FOR, A B D OR M, IF IT IS FOUND CASE > CLOSED. IF IT S A BUNCH OF BIRTHS THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT > THE LIKES OF MYSELF AND OTHE RPEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCS AND > RESEARCH WOULD ALSO CHECK FOR VARIATIONS IN NAMES AND CHECK EITHER SIDE OF > DATES GIVEN. AND NOT FORGETTING TO LOOK THOROUGHLY, SIDEWAYS AND AROUND > CORNERS. SOMETHING WHICH I TRY MY BEST TO DO, MAY NOT ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT, > ONLY HUMAN AND SO MUCH TIME, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY. > > CAN I ALSO SAY THAT IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME TO AND FRO AND DISCUSSION ON THE > > LIST, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE NOT OFTEN SEEN ON THE LIST. > STEPH. > > Genie > > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=295203197016 > > > > http://geniesgenealogyhelp.blogspot.com/ > > --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> wrote: > > From: Judy Holding <judyfh@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-SAGEN] Queries and Answers. > To: AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 16:01 > > Dear List Owner and Listers, > > I am writing to express my disapointment about how this List is being run > the last few months.Sure not like it used to be! > > I thought it was only common courtesy to let the List know when the query > has been attended to so there is no unneccessary time wasted by another > Lister > checking the Info. How long does it take to type and send a 'replied off > list' ? > > Steph and Tracey and other great Listers that help or have helped ( Mike of > Canberra is one ) spend a lot of their spare time and effort to help and > then there are others that send the Info without even letting the list know > that they have attended to the query. Which to me doesn't seem to be RIGHT > WAY at ALL. But they are allowed to get away with it by the List Owner. > > This sort of behaviour makes it very hard to know as I have found myself if > one replies and helps the Lister that is querying for the > Info if you are wasting your time as they already may have the Info. > > I really can see down the track if not sooner this List is 'going down the > gurgler' which is a shame, there is always a few that have to spoil it for > others > on this List and in Life in general. > > Judy. > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3067 - Release Date: 08/13/10 > 04:04:00 > > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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