Replied with some image material off line and also this The Striding years" a history of the Minlaton District Council area published 1975 page 15 ... passengers to Adelaide..."in Minlaton seats could be booked with E. E. Lock page 39.... A fire at Mrs Lock's hop in 1952 where now the Porter Building stands... p 48 History of Curramulka Saddlery...IN 1919 E.E Lock of Minlaton opened a branch of his saddlery and agency business here... p 65 re unlicenced hotel ... "The Lock family kept the establishment for a number of yeas but without a liquor licence. It acted as a stoping place for the mail coaches and other travellers, but as improving road and vehicles made distances shorter, travellers began to pass by the hotel and business declined. p 88 Koolywurtie .... In 1895 the Koolywurtie Public School popularly know by its alumni as "Koolywurtie College" was opened by Mr James Brown. Miss Emma Lock (who later became Mrs Doug Ross) was the first teacher.... Alan Melbourne

Hi Brian, Will assist as I have the CDS. Let me know names etc. Mary Anne, Myrtleford, Vic. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Turner and Michelle Tourigny [mailto:michelle.brian@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 9:32 AM To: AUS-SAGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] South Australian BDM Hi All, How does one search the South Australian BDM index for an ancestor? I live in WA and note that there is no on-line search facility in SA. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Brian

Can anyone suggest any websites etc. which may have information on Wills and Probate in SA. All help is always appreciated. Doug and Val Norton Hamilton New Zealand

Good afternoon, would sks please help me in my search for a steam ship that my great grandfather travelled on. I believe the ship to be named "Onimbus" though our spelling could be incorrect. It carried Thomas NICHOLS/NICHOLLS to Freemantle, WA in 1894 possibly on free fare as he travelled as a Miner in search of gold. He ended up in Coolgardie and I have found some census records that confirm his residence there. Thanks in advance Kellie Bingham

Hi All, How does one search the South Australian BDM index for an ancestor? I live in WA and note that there is no on-line search facility in SA. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Brian

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Thank you Ruth and Lynne for your prompt and valuable responses to my query. I have also replied personally to you. Thanks, John.

hi again everyone. Any chance someone could look at bisa for a henry lock b about 1834 gloucestershire lived minlanton sa wife sarah saxton. Thank you all

Greetings, Would a kind person please lookup the SA marriages list to see if a marriage exists for William Edward JACOB and Soph(i/a) Collins possibly around 1855. I need to identify the parents of William and Soph(i/a). They are listed in the births index as having seven children between 1855 and 1898. I have those references. A William Edward Jacob is listed in the SA birth index as born on 3-Jan-1859 with father William and mother Mary Elizabeth Bagot, but there is also an entry in the SA deaths index for William Edward Jacob who died on 14-Dec-1859 age 11mths with father William. Any additional information as to parentage of the married William or the mother of the William who died in 1859 would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in anticipation John.

Can someone please lookup the births of children of   Ezra BATTY(E) and Hannah TAYLOR c1850's to 1870's   Thankyou Helen

Dear Listers, On 18 Aug 1913 in Adelaide, Charlotte Carlson (known as Lottie) married Samuel Shugg. Her age was 19 and her father's name was Charles Gustaff Carlson. I would like to find some family details for her if possible. Would someone be able to check for her birth, parents and death records, and also BISA. I would like to find her parents marriage record and their details also. I've been a bit stumped with this one. Many thanks for any help forthcoming, Kind regards, Rowena

Greetings all. Recently I posted a question anout "B G" J.W. Bull wrote: A few months after I commenced in town, I was induced to enter intopartnership with a gentleman who arrived from India, who had left thegreater part of his capital there to follow him. Immediately before thecrisis arrived I was anxious to withdraw from town business, and wasadvised by a Bank manager to hand over the partnership, stock, andliabilities to my partner; this was done as suggested. Over 400 head oflarge cattle were assigned to the manager and a second party whom henamed to cover partnership acceptances then current, for the lastpurchases of cattle made by the firm. Before this was carried out Ipaid all other partnership claims then due, and lifted one bill for alarge amount. On this matter being concluded a complimentary letterfrom the Bank manager was received by me. At the time this arrangementwas made I was not aware that my partner had obtained large advancesfrom the same Bank (in anticipation of the receipt of funds fromIndia), which he had invested in land, &c., in the colony. He was alarge shareholder in an Indian Bank which came to grief. Other heavylosses befell him, and his expected funds did not arrive, but the fundsfirom the assigned partnership stock were taken to clear off hisprivate debt to the Bank. The first insolvent law having been passed,my late partner became one of the first who had to pass through thecourt, and in his schedule I appeared as a creditor for the amount of;^8oo, amount of my arranged claim, but I got no dividend, as theinsolvent had shortly after again to declare himself. First, Mr. B. G arrived from India with his family and a large retinueof Indian servants. He left the greater part of his capital to berealised on and to follow him. He purchased improved sections and ahouse near Adelaide and joined the Author, as before mentioned, aspartner in a business to introduce stock, in the year 1839. Several herds of cattle passed through their hands with good profit, acattle station was formed on Bull's Creek, on which overland cattlewere fattened, and the city of Adelaide supplied with beef, andsettlers with stock ; several flocks of sheep also were received,chiefly from Tasmania ; these were disposed of (store sheep) at anaverage price of 38s. a head Mr. B. G was anxious to begin a breedingsheep station, but the Author on the fact of the price of store-sheepin the older colonies being so low (3s. to 5s. a head) declined to joinin the purchase of sheep at the price then ruling in this colony, andleft his partner to invest on his own private account. So two flockswere transferred to Mr. B. G at 38s. a head ; before the end of twoyears the crisis in this colony occurred, and the sheep with theirincrease were sold by the Government auctioneer, the late BenthamNeales, Esq., and realised 5s. a head only. Now this gentlemen did not join the Colony as a pioneer settler, but asa capitalist, to invest in an established Colony, of which he had heardsuch flattering accounts. It may be added of the first-named gentlemennever recovered his position, although he strove hard; =============== Today I found this amongst my notes: John and Edward GLEESON and John DONNITHORNE intended settling in South Australia, and brought large amounts of capital to help achieve this. John DONNITHORNE also landed three very fine mares "which he intends to leave with the colony for some time". They arrived South Australia onboard the EMERALD ISLE which was chartered by the Australian Association of Bengal. She departed from Calcutta via Mauritius, and arrived at Pt Adelaide on July 24, 1838 with Passengers - 11 adults and 11 children) ====== BISA: GLEESON John Hampton par: John and Mary/Amelia nee BURTON born c1798 Nenagh TIP IRE d: 4.9.1840 Adelaide SA bd: WTc arr: 1838 EMERALD ISLE occ: Stock Dealer res: Beaumont, Adelaide rel: C/E m: IRE/India? nee CARROLL* ch: Hampton Carroll (1830-1907), Harriett (1834-1882) ----- BISA: GLEESON Edward Burton born 1803 CLA IRE d: 2.2.1870 Clare SA arr: 1838 EMERALD ISLE occ: Dairy Farmer, Postmaster, Agent, Pastoralist res: Clare, Beaumont, Magill rel: C/E m: Harriet nee LLEWEL born 1799 d: 8.6.1896 ch: John Wm (-1895), Fanny Eliza FILCATE (-1913), child (1837-1851), Ed Burton (1838-1852), Sarah Ann AYLIFFE (1841-), son (c1843-1857) EDWARD BURTON GLEESON "Paddy" (1803-1870), the King of Clare, was a South Australian settler, farmer and founder of the town of Clare. Born in County Clare, Ireland in 1803. Died in February 2nd 1870 at Clare, South Australia. Having been born near Neenagh in County Tipperary, Gleeson grew up near Inchiquin Castle in County Clare which he left in 1824 to become an official in the Indian civic service. While in India he married Harriet Llewelyn who was born in 1799 and died June 8th 1896. He also allegedly won £30,000 in a Calcutta Sweepstake. In 1838, when he arrived in South Australia he certainly did not step off the boat as a poor man for he brought with him Indian coolies as servants, an Arab stallion called Abdullah, as well as a complete wooden house. Gleeson arrived in South Australia on July 24-27th 1838 with his wife Harriet Gleeson nee Llewelyn on board the Emerald Isle from India where he had an official post. They had six children; John William (born in India, d.1895 aged 61 yrs) Fanny Elizabeth FILGATE (born 1837 in India, d.1913 aged 83 yrs) was 24 when she married in 1854. child (born 1837 in India, died 1851) Their son Edward Burton GLEESON (1838-1852) was born a month after their arrival, on August 17th 1838 at Adelaide Sarah Ann GLEESON (1841-1928) born 1841-02-15 at Adelaide, father GLEESON Edward Burton, mother LLEWELYN Harriet son (c. 1843-1857) Not long after his arrival, his family (two sons had been born in India) and his brother set up residence at the foot of the Adelaide hills where a section of land had been allotted to him. One year later, in the first race meeting ever held in South Australia, Gleeson’s “… mare Kitty beat Mr. Oscar Line’s Black Bess over a distance of two miles for a purse of 20 guineas.” (Schmaal, J. “The Gleeson Story”, p.1). He became involved in pastoral activities in the Adelaide area and settled east of the city in what is now the suburb of Beaumont. He established a property which he named Gleeville and also took up pastoral runs north of Adelaide, near the Wakefield River. In 1840, he established the Inchiquin run in the Clare Valley area, and in 1842 laid out a plan for a town. This would have a number of different names, but from 1846 would eventually be called Clare, after Gleeson's home county in Ireland. Only two years after his arrival, the first agricultural show, called “Harvest Home”, was held at his property. Alas, the line of success came to a grinding halt when a financial crisis in the new colony happened exactly at the same time as failure hit an Indian bank where Gleeson was a major shareholder. While the days of functions and dinners were now over, Gleeson was not the one to give up. Thrilled by explorer Eyre’s reports, and with some financial aid he bought 500 acres of land near today’s Clare where he kept a few flocks of sheep. And soon afterwards the initial humble beginnings of a small thatched and whitewashed cottage were over. A more substantial home was built and E.B.”Paddy”Gleeson began to imprint his presence onto the Clare Valley. The site of his home he called ‘Inchiquin’, the slowly developing township nearby ‘Clare’ and two other places were named ‘Donnybrook’ and ‘Armagh’. However, the tall and powerful man did not stop at just naming places. His family home became known as “Government House” and any important visitor to the area was entertained there. Mail could be left and collected at lnchiquin, thereby making Gleeson Clare’s first postmaster. Initially being seen by everyone as the first Squire of Clare, he was made Justice of the Peace in 1849, later Magistrate and in 1853 he became the first chairman of the newly established District Council of Clare. Fifteen years later he was elected as the first mayor of the new Clare Corporation. Gleeson named his homestead, Inchiquin. He was also a stipendiary magistrate and was involved in properties at The Hummocks and west of Mount Eyre. A fan of recreation, Gleeson was a keen sportsman and interested in horse racing. He was well liked in Clare. INSOLVENCY Extracts from the 1846 South Australia Government Gazettes In the Supreme Court Insolvency - Partial account only listed here - Audit of Accounts - Edward Burton Gleeson, farmer, late of Gleeville, near Adelaide 30/7/1846 Gleeson became insolvent on 30 July 1846 and as a result, sold Gleeville to Samuel Davenport and moved all his farming interests to the Clare Valley. Inchiquin then became his main property and business concern. He was well liked by members of the community and eventually earned the informal title the King of Clare. Throughout the rest of his life, he had a variety of interests in the area, including being the town’s first mayor and a special magistrate for the region. He died in 1870, After reelection in 1869, Gleeson died in office at Inchiquin in 1870, leaving six children. His importance for the area being well recognised and acknowledged. The shops and hotels on the main street closed on the occasion of his funeral. "The remains of the father of Clare, Mr. E.B. Gleeson, were conveyed to their last resting place in St. Barnabas churchyard on Thursday evening… preceding the hearse they marched 100 strong to the churchyard. After the hearse followed 80 vehicles of various descriptions attended by 100 horsemen bringing up the rear… The shops and hotels were entirely closed and the shutters of all the stores were partially put up as soon as the death of Mr. Gleeson became known … His peculiar knack of peace-making will be missed; his absence at public meetings for the promotion of religion, science or charity will be realised; his work as a Special Magistrate dispensing even-handed justice and his readiness to attend to duty will be well known…" (ibid, p. 4) Unfortunately the Gleeson family have not survived in the Clare district. One son had died not long after they had arrived in the Clare area, the surviving son, J.W. Gleeson, died, like his brother, in a riding accident, in 1896. His only son died at the age of 23 from pulmonary tuberculosis. http://omalleepedals.wordpress.com/2007/06/04/clare/ http://www.archive.org/details/earlyexperience01bullgoog How about that !!! Cheers from Di Cummings of Melbourne http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm

Many thanks to Robyn and Jude.... I now have the information I needed Kind regards Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE)

I have replied off list. Judy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christene Pycroft" <CPycroft@portaugusta.sa.gov.au> To: <AUS-SAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:35 PM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Robert Gentry BISA Look-Up > Please can some-one help with a possible BISA entry for ROBERT GENTRY > arrived 1854 on "Hyderabad" married to Mary, maybe with 2 children > > Many thanks > > > Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) in a very wet, windy & stormy evening in Port > Augusta SA > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking for a connection to these people Stella May SPARKES William George LAMB Dorothy Maud NEALE I have a little information to share Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY Street Names of the Copper Coast - project jmorley@austarnet.com.au OPC for Winterborne Kingston www.opcdorset.org

Please can some-one help with a possible BISA entry for ROBERT GENTRY arrived 1854 on "Hyderabad" married to Mary, maybe with 2 children Many thanks Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) in a very wet, windy & stormy evening in Port Augusta SA

Hi List Looking for information on a John Henry Holmes. Maybe born in or 'near' SA (perhaps on board ship) about 1844. His parents seem to be Alexander HOLMES and Lily (nee HOLMES). John Henry HOLMES was a Miner. He married Mary Ann WILLIAMS on 10/4/1866 at the Christ Church Sofala NSW. He and Mary had ten children. John Henry's father (Andrew) was a "Millwright/Engineer". Both John Henry and his wife Mary Ann HOLMES died in Penrith (St Mary's). John Henry in 1920 and Mary Ann in 1919. I have searched Victorian BDMs and NSW without any luck. There is only one John Holmes marrying Mary Williams in 1866 and that is in Sofala (Christ Church), NSW Marriage Index: 3106/1866. This record has been obtained as well as the church marriage document and both state that John was a /miner/, born in Melbourne Victoria to Andrew and Lily Holmes...the church document also provides Lily's maiden name as Holmes. John Henry Holmes died in St Marys NSW in 1920 (NSW Death Index 12437/1920) and his death certificate lists his wife as Mary Williams (married in Sofala), and also lists most of his children. Mary Holmes (nee Williams) died in St Marys NSW in 1919 (NSW Death Index 12429/1920) and her death certificate listed her husband as John Holmes (married in Sofala), and also listed most of her children. There is one clue still being tracked in that on John Henry's death certificate, it states..."born on a ship off Victoria". Despite JH Holmes himself stating he was born in Melbourne Victoria this does not necessarily mean the ship stopped in Victoria. Perhaps it went to South Australia. So it is with this information that I am seeking help from the list about John Henry HOLMES and/or his parents Andrew and Lily HOLMES. If possible, could you please contact me off-line. Many thanks. Carolyn

Many thanks to Genie & Freda for their help in finding Mary Rosman's death!

Hi Nikki There is a Mary Nicholls ROSMAN died 6th March 1953 Mary Lived Strathalbyn SA at time of her death but died in Adelaide City. (maybe at RAH). Death reg # for Mary is Book 794 page 1203 she was the wife of Trevor Arthur Trafford ROSMAN. He died 1986 according to SAGHS Newspaper adverts website. Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <nikkikoop@gmail.com> To: <aus-sagen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:27 PM Subject: [AUS-SAGEN] Death lookup - ROSMAN > Could SKS please check the 2nd SA death CD for the death of Mary > Rosman, wife of Trevor Rosman. It will be after 1938, but not sure if > it is before 1971. > -Nikki > Advertising on AUS-SAGEN is forbidden by Rootsweb Rules. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-SAGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thankyou to all listers who have helped me in the past. I have moved on with my family tree and have found that a different family on a different branch possibly settled in South Australia. The information I have is that an Isaac BETHELL bn 1835 Nettleton England worked in Australia as a carpenter. In 1857 ( The same Year that his brother my GGGgrandfather left England For NZ ) he married a Sarah HAWKINGS bn 1838 They had two children that I know of a Mary Ann bn 1859 in South Australia then puzzlingly a Abraham Isaac bn 5 July 1860 Kings Head Farm Nettelton. Is Nettleton an area of SA? Is this a farm in SA? It is the same name as one of the family farms in Nettleton England. Any information that can be added will be helpful. Even just confirming the births and maybe a death would be great. Or maybe there is someone else researching this line. Thanking you in advance Peter