I've only just found this out - I must have missed it along the way, but in case others don't know: You'd better check - E&OE. Brisbane's Family and Local History Fair is at Mt. Gravatt Showgrounds, >1644 Logan Rd, Mt. Gravatt, Brisbane, Queensland, this Sunday, 30th May, >9am to 4pm. There will be 50+ stalls (Archives, libraries, genealogical >and historical societies etc.) There will also be some short seminars. also Saturday openings at Qld. State Archives, 435 Compton Rd, Runcorn: 29 May (day before the Fair) 24 July 21 Aug 16 Oct 9.45AM-4.15 Di R.

Hello Michelle, Could this be your Isabella? KEHL Isabella died: 19/3/1935. Ref no: 1935/001371. Father: John DAVIDSON. Mother: Annie WILSON. On the QLD death fiche. I have KEHL in my family tree in QLD, but can not find a connection. Hope this helps. June. >From: "Michelle Behrens" <behrensm@southcom.com.au> >To: AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AQ-TOOWOOMBA] post 1934 death index lookup please >Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:22:49 +1000 > >Hello List, > >I have scoured the death indexes at my State Library here in Tassie and >have found no sign of three of my family members. I am assuming that they >therefore died after 1934. I do not have access to any death indexes after >1934 although I know further indexes have been released. > >Could someone please lookup the following three people for me? They are >pretty uncommon names! > >1. Margaret Annie McCRONE born 1884, daughter of Alexander McCrone and >Isabella Davidson (also could not find a marriage for her up until 1929) >2. Isabella KEHL, m/s Davidson, formerly McCrone, born abt 1861 in >England. >3. Samuel Finch KEHL, husband of the above, nothing further known about >him. > >I would be greatful for any help anyone can provide in finding my lost >three! > >Thanks > >Michelle in Tassie > > >==== AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send message to: > L List Aus-Qld-Toowoomba-l-request@rootsweb.com >or >D List Aus-Qld-Toowoomba-d-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Play Origin SMS footy trivia to win $5k. Go to http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mcheadtohead/home.aspx

Hello List, I have scoured the death indexes at my State Library here in Tassie and have found no sign of three of my family members. I am assuming that they therefore died after 1934. I do not have access to any death indexes after 1934 although I know further indexes have been released. Could someone please lookup the following three people for me? They are pretty uncommon names! 1. Margaret Annie McCRONE born 1884, daughter of Alexander McCrone and Isabella Davidson (also could not find a marriage for her up until 1929) 2. Isabella KEHL, m/s Davidson, formerly McCrone, born abt 1861 in England. 3. Samuel Finch KEHL, husband of the above, nothing further known about him. I would be greatful for any help anyone can provide in finding my lost three! Thanks Michelle in Tassie

Marionne What area does "Darling Downs" include? I take it from the top of the range in the east, but how far south, or west does the area extend? I have Mt Sylvia, Pittsworth, Gatton, Warwick I have already completed the McGAW family of Toowoomba but was thinking of the SULLIVAN family of Pittsworth? Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich We use and recommend NOD32 Anti-virus software -----Original Message----- From: Marionne Diggles [mailto:mamee@hotkey.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 8:11 PM To: AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Darling Downs Pioneer Register to 1900 Dear list members, Darling Downs Pioneer Register to 1900 Family historians are invited to record their Darling Downs Pioneers for posterity. The Toowoomba and Darling Downs Family History Society is compiling a Darling Downs Pioneer Register to 1900. This will be the Darling Downs own Dictionary of Biography. Brief biographical details of families as well as a paragraph about their achievements will be included in this exciting forthcoming publication. Entry is free, and forms may be obtained in person from the society's Research Centre at 61 Drayton Road, by post from PO Box 2229 (please include a S.S.A.E) or by email as a Word document attachment from ddfhs@hotkey.net.au. Entries close 31 July 2004 Thank you, Yours sincerely, Marionne Diggles Hon. Sec. T & DDFHS Inc. ______________________________

Hi Albert, I have Irish ancestors who were assisted immigrants, arriving in Sydney in February 1842 aboard the "Agnes". According to the "Ship Return B" they were brought out by a Mr G Townshend. As his name is listed for all the assisted immigrants that I have on the list I can only assume that he worked as an agent. To further enforce that assumption, my ancestors went to work for a man named Campbell, who apparently had large holdings in the area around Camden. Again according to the Ship Return it seems that the Adult fare was 19 pounds, while there seems to have been a sliding scale for teenagers and children with one fifteen year old being charged 15 pounds, from age 6 up to 14 it seems to have been 10 pounds and under 6 years of age 5 pounds. Children under the age of one are listed as "underage" and no fare was charged. The Queensland State Library had this to say when I enquired about the system: " ... As regards bounty immigrants, the handbook that accompanies the Queensland immigration records has this to say about the bounty system: The Bounty System, established in New South Wales in 1837, involved the payment of set amounts of money or bounties per immigrant to persons who arranged and paid for the passage of certain categories of immigrants such as female domestic servants, shepherds, mechanics, agricultural labourers, etc, which were needed in the Colonies. The system was financed from the sale of Crown lands. Therefore, the amount of money listed would be the amount paid by the person bringing them out." I know this doesn't answer all your questions but hope it is of some help. Regards Terry Leach

Dear Lists, Some years ago I had permission to copy this list of women who came on the Strathfieldsaye in 1834 and published them in a small booklet. I have over the years received many enquiries and information regarding these women and I am wiling to place them on a database (as I do for the convict women on the Anson) Some of these women married convicts/exconvicts as well as free men and the one I have just received married an exconvict who later owned a pub before going to the Victorian Gold Fields. I am sure there are many othe stories out there just as interesting so please if you would like them recorded let me know. Regards Irene Schaffer Email: schafferi@optusnet.com.au Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi

Hi all This is a reminder that I have continued transcribing (maybe the word is copied as I include the web site that only holds them for 7 days) and posting to several different Qld list (never duplicating) as I know that rootsweb has archieved them, and then when needed, I can search their archieves. If you open the following pages, at the bottom of any page is the browse and search links - search is best if looking for a name, whilst browse lets you look through them all. NQ list - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NQ.html Qld list - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD.html Toowoomba - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA.html Warwick - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-WARWICK.html Ipswich - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-IPSWICH.html And when time permits, I also scan and post from the local weekly paper - The Gatton Star - From 1999 - Jan 2003 - I have not had much time this year so I am a little behind. I hold paper copies of these newspapers, but as I scan, I only keep the classified page. Gatton - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-GATTON.html Check out the list rootsweb now have for Australia - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/ Hope this helps some and thank you for the encouragement to continue. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich We use and recommend NOD32 Anti-virus software We use and recommend NOD32 Anti-virus software

BROSNAN (nee Gosgrove). - Paul, Anita & Lachlan are proud to announce the safe arrival of Caitlin Genevieve born 6th May, 2004, 8lb. Thanks to Dr Esler, Dr Gillmore & SVH. Publication Date: 22/05/04 HOLDEN, Dulcie Mary. - Passed away 22nd May, 1998. Treasured memories of you will forever stay in our hearts. Your loving friends, Val, Lloyd, Greg, Maria and family and Craig, Jo and boys. Publication Date: 22/05/04 LONGMIRE - WALKER. - Mr and Mrs Angus Walker of Toowoomba have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their daughter, Diana, to Roland, son of Mr and Mrs Ian Longmire of Esperance, WA. Publication Date: 22/05/04 CAMPBELL, Donna Lee, formerly of ``Narweena'' and Hoffmann Street, Wandoan, passed away on 20th May, 2004, aged 60 years.  Loving wife of Rut (dec'd). Mother of Kim (dec'd) and Peta-Maree, Nanna to Mikaela. Stepmother to Kayleen, Narda, Jim, Gina and their families.  A personal service will be held at 10.00 a.m. in the gardens of the Wandoan Outpatients on Sunday 23rd May, 2004. In lieu of flowers, donations to Taroom Hospital would be very much appreciated.  TAROOM SHIRE COUNCIL Funeral Directors Phone (07) 4628 9555 Publication Date: 22/05/04 GORDON, Edward `Dick', 24/06/1909 - 19/05/2004, aged 94 years 11 months, late of Labrador.  Loving husband of Phyllis (dec'd). Much loved father and father-in-law of Glennis and Max Tews, Pat (Patty) and John Flannery, Joan and Bob Brown, Kevin & Johanna Gordon, and Baby Ursula Gordon (dec'd). Dearly loved Pa of his 17 grandchildren and 33 great-grandchildren.  Family and friends are invited to attend a Celebration of his Life to be held on MONDAY (24th May, 2004), at 9.30 a.m. at St Joseph The Worker Catholic Church, Imperial Parade, Labrador, followed by a Graveside Service at 3.00 p.m. at the Toowoomba Garden of Remembrance, Ruthven Street (south). Publication Date: 22/05/04 HAYDEN-LADLOW, Leila, taken into God's presence on 7th May, 2004. Sadly missed by her beloved children Alberta, Henry, Robert, Richard and Foster Family:- Graham, Yvonne, Sonia, Marty, Vicky & Stephen. Laid to rest, Woorambinda, 14th May. Publication Date: 22/05/04 HURLE, Frank Andrew, late of Toowoomba, passed away 17.5.04, aged 33 years.  Loved son of Terry (dec'd) and Fay Hurle. Loved brother to Kym, Anita and Anthony.  Relatives and friends are invited to attend ANDREW'S funeral service to be held at the Chapel of Hiram Philp, 52 Herries Street, Toowoomba, on MONDAY (24.5.04), service commencing at 11.00 a.m.  No Funeral Cortege Publication Date: 22/05/04 LITTLEFORD, Annette Barbara, nee Felsman, passed away 21st May, 2004, aged 59 years. - Loved wife of Don. Mother of Maree and David. Full funeral details to appear in a later edition. Publication Date: 22/05/04 McCALLUM. - Mark and Kristy welcome the arrival of Jaxon John Kraig born 17th May 8lb 7ozs. First grandson for John and Yvonne and 3rd grandson for John and Leanne. Publication Date: 22/05/04 O'BYRNE. - Christopher and Kerry (nee Gilshenen) welcome with love the arrival of their son, Ryan Christopher, born 15th April, Nepean Private Hospital, Sydney. Little brother for Ashleigh. Publication Date: 22/05/04 RYAN, Kerry Patricia, late of Toowoomba, passed away on the 11th May, 2004, aged 51 years. - Loving partner of Les. Kerry's funeral was held on 19th May, 2004. Publication Date: 22/05/04 TANNER, Mavis Jean, nee Bousen, QX 109132 ex WRAAF, late of Toowoomba, passed away at home on the 20th May, 2004, aged 83 years. - Beloved wife of Lorrence Edgar (dec'd). Full funeral details to appear in Monday's Chronicle. Publication Date: 22/05/04 AITCHISON, Cecilia. - TOOWOOMBA RAAFA  The President, Jack Doyle, requests members attend the funeral of CECILY AITCHISON, as per the family notice. Publication Date: 22/05/04 McPHEE, Doris Mildred. - 5.8.1912 to 21.5.2002. Just as you were, you will always be treasured in our memory. From Lorne, Leona and Lexie. Publication Date: 21/05/04 AITCHISON, Cecilia Norval Reid, nee Hindmarsh, late of Perth Street, and formerly of Holberton Street, Toowoomba, passed away peacefully on the 19th May, 2004, aged 79 years.  Beloved wife of Thomas (dec'd). Dearly loved mother and mother-in-law of Eileen and Trevor; Brian (dec'd); Ian and Eileen; Michael and Suzanne. Loving grandmother of Christopher, Sarah, Timothy, Andrew, Daniel and Amy.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend CECILY'S funeral to be held at the T S Burstow Chapel, 1020 Ruthven Street (south), Toowoomba, service commencing at 10.00 a.m. SATURDAY (22nd May, 2004). Complete in Chapel. No flowers by request, donations to Qld Cancer Fund, envelopes available at the Chapel.  `Peace at Last' Publication Date: 21/05/04 BUTLER, Patricia Kathleen, nee Barry, late of Nubeena Nursing Home, and formerly of 1 Victory Street, Toowoomba, passed away at Nubeena on the 18th May, 2004, aged 79 years.  Beloved wife of the late Arthur Cecil. Dearly loved mother of Beverley and Terry. Loved mother-in-law of Wes Littleton. Cherished Nanny of Troy and Fleur and Alisha, Kyal, and Tiffany. Loved sister and sister-in-law of Kevin and Joyce Barry of Bowral, NSW.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend PATRICIA'S funeral, to be held at Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, Goodwood Street, Toowoomba, prayers commencing at 2.00 p.m. TODAY (Friday, 21st May, 2004), followed by interment at Drayton and Toowoomba Lawn Cemetery, cnr Anzac Ave and South Street.  Always in our Hearts Publication Date: 21/05/04 HOWARD, Stanley Robert, passed away peacefully Toowoomba Hospice, 18.5.2004.  Dearly beloved husband of Iris (dec'd). Loved father and father-in-law of Maralyn and Kevin Snell and grandfather of Lisa, Cherie and Toni.  Laid to rest with Iris on the 19.5.2004. STITT & ST GEORGE Ipswich & Fernvale 1800 805 814 Publication Date: 21/05/04 KIEMANN, Yvonne Beryl, late of Clifton and formerly of Toowoomba, passed away on the 16th May, 2004, aged 90 years.  Beloved wife of Henry Alfred (dec'd). Dearly loved mother and mother-in-law of Maxwell and Elma; Yvonne and Bill Day; Joan and Clyde Wilkinson; Raymond (dec'd); Laurie and Sue; and Annette and John Benecke. Loving grandmother and great-grandmother to their respective families.  In God's Care Publication Date: 21/05/04 MUCKERT, Vincent Douglas (Vince), late of Gatton and formerly of Coominya, passed away on Tuesday, 18th May, 2004, at home, aged 89 years.  Cherished husband of Cecelia (Bobbie). Wonderful father to Narelle and Peter (dec'd). Father-in-law of Bob. Loving Grandpa of Adam and Phyllis, Lucas and Melissa.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend VINCE'S Celebration of Life, to be held at St Alban's Anglican Church, Railway and Spencer Streets, Gatton, service commencing at 10.30 a.m. THURSDAY (27th May, 2004), followed by interment at Gatton Cemetery.  A laugh, a grin, a joke or two, that's the way we'll remember you. One of nature's true gentlemen, the world is a sadder place without him.  Donations to Gatton Blue Care would be appreciated. Gift envelopes available at the Church. Publication Date: 21/05/04 RABBITT, Colin Dudley, late of Texas, passed away at Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane, on the 19th May, 2004, aged 83 years.  Beloved son of the late Arthur and Elizabeth Rabbitt.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend COLIN'S funeral to be held at Scots Presbyterian Church, Texas, service commencing at 11.00 a.m. WEDNESDAY (26th May, 2004), followed by interment at the Texas Cemetery.  J.H. ELLIOTT FUNERALS Texas - 4653 1208 Inglewood, Yelarbon. Publication Date: 21/05/04 SLEEMAN, Dulcie Norma, late of Oakey, formerly of Murgon, passed away peacefully on the 19th May, 2004, aged 79 years.  Beloved wife of Dennis. Dearly loved mother and mother-in-law of Russell (dec'd) and Sandra, Greg and Diane, Malcolm and Elaine, Lyndsay and Kaye, and Ian and Linda. Loving grandmother and great-grandmother of their families.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend DULCIE'S funeral to be held at the Uniting Church, John Street, Oakey, service commencing at 10.30 a.m. MONDAY (24th May, 2004), followed by committal at the Toowoomba Crematorium, Ruthven Street (south), at 12.30 p.m.  Flowers welcome; donations to Multiple Sclerosis would be appreciated, envelopes at the Church.  In God's Care Publication Date: 21/05/04 STRETEN, Ruby Georgina. - Cherished memories we tenderly hold, Are treasured gifts more precious than gold. Greatly missed by her family. Publication Date: 21/05/04 WILLIAMS, James Victor ``Vic''. Late of Boodall, passed away peacefully Wednesday 19th May, 2004, at the Prince Charles Hospital. Aged 72 years  Dearly loved husband of Aileen. Loving father to Christopher, Bernadette, Gabrielle, Paul, Joseph and Rachael. Loved father-in-law and grandfather to all their families.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend the Requiem Mass of VIC on SATURDAY (22nd May, 2004), to be held at St Flannans Catholic Church, 194 Hanford Road, Zillmere, commencing at 10.00 a.m.  HOLY CROSS FUNERALS Redcliffe. 3293 0555 An Apostolic Work of the Catholic Church Publication Date: 21/05/04 POWER, Neville Francis. - 23/3/1929 - 20/5/2000. In loving memory. From Daniel, Eileen and boys. Publication Date: 20/05/04 BARKER, Mary, nee Kirkup, late of Toowoomba and formerly of Yeppoon, died at St Andrews Hospital on the 18th May, 2004, aged 78 years.  Beloved wife of Godfrey (dec'd). Loved sister and sister-in-law of Edna and Arthur Baker (both dec'd), Mamie Kirkup, Douglas and Beryl (dec'd) Kirkup, Annie and Douglas Welsby, Jean and George (dec'd) Strohfeldt.  A Memorial Service will be held for MARY at the Assembly of God, Fitzpatrick Street, Toowoomba, service commencing at 2.00 p.m. THURSDAY (20th May, 2004). This service will follow a private cremation. Publication Date: 20/05/04 BURMESTER, Allan Niel, ``Burmie', of Wandoan, passed away on the 18th May, 2004, aged 76 years.  A Cremation Service will be held at the Chapel of the Toowoomba Crematorium, at 1.00 p.m. FRIDAY (21st May, 2004).  A Memorial Service for ALLAN will be held at St Margaret's Anglican Church, Wandoan, on WEDNESDAY (26th May, 2004), commencing at 11.00 a.m.  Donation envelopes will be available at Church for Condamine River Restocking. Publication Date: 20/05/04 BUTLER, Patricia Kathleen, nee Barry, late of Nubeena Nursing Home, and formerly of 1 Victory Street, Toowoomba, passed away at Nubeena on the 18th May, 2004, aged 79 years.  Beloved wife of the late Arthur Cecil. Dearly loved mother of Beverley and Terry. Loved mother-in-law of Wes Littleton. Cherished Nanny of Troy and Fleur and Alisha, Kyal, and Tiffany. Loved sister and sister-in-law of Kevin and Joyce Barry of Bowral, NSW.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend PATRICIA'S funeral, to be held at Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, Goodwood Street, Toowoomba, prayers commencing at 2.00 p.m. FRIDAY (21st May, 2004), followed by interment at Drayton and Toowoomba Lawn Cemetery, cnr Anzac Ave and South Street.  Always in our Hearts Publication Date: 20/05/04 de Vries, Machiel Jacobus (Michael, Mac), died peacefully on the 17th May, 2004, aged 87 years.  Dearly loved and loving husband of Irene, proud father of Terry, Marguerite, Michael (dec'd), David and Patricia (Pixie) and dearly loved by his grandchildren and great-grandchildren.  ``To Know Him was to Love Him''  Family and friends are respectfully invited to attend a Thanksgiving Mass to celebrate MACHIEL'S life to be held at St Theresa's Parish Centre, cnr Curzon and Campbell Streets, Toowoomba, commencing at 11.00 a.m. TOMORROW (Friday, 21.5.04), then proceeding to the Garden of Remembrance Cemetery. Publication Date: 20/05/04 HANNEMANN, Vera. - Members of the Ladies Aux of the RAOB Lodge express their sympathy to Augie, Cheryl, Murray and their families on the passing of Vera.  Lyla Wingett, Sec. Publication Date: 20/05/04 HIERONYMUS, David Irwin, `Harry', late of Toowoomba, and formerly of Brisbane and the Gold Coast, passed away peacefully on the 19th May, 2004, aged 86 years.  Beloved husband of Annie. Dearly loved father and father-in-law of Mervyn and Rosemary, and Kevin and Nola. Loving grandfather and great-grandfather of their families.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend HARRY'S funeral, to be held at the T S Burstow Chapel, 1020 Ruthven Street (south), Toowoomba, service commencing at 2.30 p.m. FRIDAY (21st May, 2004).  At Peace Publication Date: 20/05/04 JOHNSTON, Nikita Jayne (Nikinoo - Kita), of Kaimkillenbun, 12.01.2001 - 17.05.2004.  Adorable and dearly loved daughter of Tony and Jenny. Loving big sister of Ellie. Lovingly cherished by all her families.  Family and friends are respectfully invited to attend NIKITA'S funeral, to be held at the Dalby Baptist Church, Drayton Street, Dalby, service commencing at 10.30 a.m. FRIDAY (21.05.2004), followed by her burial at the Myall Remembrance Park.  Her laughter is replaced by our tears. Our tears are comforted by God's Promise. Publication Date: 20/05/04 JONES, Alma Linda, late of Goombungee, passed away on the 18th May, 2004, aged 82 years.  Mother and mother-in-law of Vonnie, Ivy and Roy, Robin and Ken (dec'd), Lane and Des, and Jimmy and Wendy, grandmother, great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother of their families.  Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend ALMA'S Graveside Service to be held at the Goombungee/Haden Cemetery, service commencing at 1.00 p.m. FRIDAY (21st May, 2004).  Now at Peace Publication Date: 20/05/04 POWER, Neville Francis. - 23/3/1929 - 20/5/2000. Sadly missed and remembered always, by Merv and Loraine. 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I have a question that may be I should not ask on this link but I recall some time back there was some discussion about the Irish migration and its connection to the Germanic migration so here goes and see if I get shot. I have been researching for some time why the 19th century migrants left their homeland to migrate to Australia and the conditions under which they came here. I have established from my research that our Germanic ancestors mostly came out on contracts. The young Queensland government authorised agents to go to Northern Europe and engage families to migrate to work for settled landholders or the take up selections of land. Their passage fares were paid and they were required to work for the employer for 2,3 or 4 years during which time they repaid to the agents or the employer the amount lent to cover fares and costs of migration. Where they came to take up land selections they were given a grant of land and lent money to develop. They again were tied to the agent or government for a period of 2,3 or 4 years during which time they were expected to have began production from the land and begun paying back the loan money. I have established that there were a percentage of migrants who came not just from Northern Europe but from the British Isles and Southern Europe who paid their own passage and arrived as free settlers with no ties and who went out and made their own way around the country. I have established that the Queensland government went to the British government seeking manpower to build roads, railways, government buildings and other government service needs. My investigation suggests that the British government responded by going into the cites, and towns around England Scotland and Wales and sent out those they didn’t want in England. In other words they sent us out the rebels of the upper class families, the derelicts of the communities and any other possible troublemaker. Prior to the ceasing of convict transportation we received convicts who in most instance were nothing more than the playful villainous lads around town and the rebels of the upper crust families. I have established that the British government organised for the Irish natives to migrate but what I have not established is whether their migration was arranged by agents as for the Northern Europeans or were they sent out by the British to find their own way. I have established that these Irish migrants seemed to have come out not to take up land selections but to work for settled landholders. I cannot find evidence that they were sent out to work on government projects. I do know that conditions in Ireland were beyond being despicable in the 1840s and beyond. I have been reading a lot about Irish history of late and what the British government and nobility did to the Irish people can be described as nothing short of a shameful disgrace. I have learned that in 1845 the British government passed an Irish migration act to encourage if not force the people to migrate. I remember how close the Irish and Germanic families worked and cooperated in Toowoomba and the surrounding districts on the Darling Downs. As I recall it there was always some form of sympathetic support from the Germans to the Irish and reverse. I have also learned that there has been in Queensland some bond between the Irish and Germanic people of that era. Hence I ask: 1. Can anybody tell me if agents contracted the Irish migrants, as were the Northern Europeans? 2. Does anybody dispute my conclusions given here? Albert Grulke in sunny wintry Melbourne

Hello List and Stephen in Georgia.. more on the LOGAN and ALEXANDER thread: Stephen has told me off list that James LOGAN and Marion ALEXANDER had two more children besides those mentioned already: Robert and Bruce. I cold not find the births of Robert and Bruce on Digger Queensland Pioneer Index 1829-1889 and I've explained to him, that because of the early dates and Queensland being separated from New South Wales there could be some overlap with New South Wales records. I'll let him know off list how to access the NSW BDM site online, but this is what I've come up with myself. There is an overlap in New South Wales (NSW) BDM for the births of John LOGAN, James A. LOGAN and Mary LOGAN. The District is not recorded. John LOGAN Ref: V18453195 30A/1845. (NSW) Father: James Mother: Marion James A. LOGAN Ref: V18493539 37A/1849 (NSW) Father: James Mother: Marion A. Mary LOGAN Ref: V18542769 40/1854 (NSW) Father: James Mother: Marion There are also, births for the following, again district not recorded: Mary LOGAN Father: James Mother: Marian (sic) Ref: V18513483 38A/1851 (NSW) Sarah S. LOGAN Father: James Mother: Marion A. Ref: V18561028 142A/1856 (NSW) Still in New South Wales, there is the birth of Robert LOGAN Father: James Mother: Marion Registered at Maitland. Ref: 8478/1858. I could find no birth for Bruce LOGAN on NSW records However there is a DEATH for Bruce LOGAN in New South Wales Father: James Mother: Marian (sic) Registered at St. Leonards Reg: 13066/1917 Back to Queensland records (1829-1889) There is the birth of Bruce LOGAN 1 June 1868 Ref: 1868/003026 Father: James Mother: Marion Thompson (the CD does not distinguish, for deaths and births between second given names and surnames). There is no record of a marriage between James LOGAN and Marion THOMPSON. There is a birth for Robert LOGAN in Queensland, 10 Feb 1868 (Ref: 1868/001147) but the Mother is Margaret Laird so I'd say this is way off track. There are 2 Robert LOGAN marriages in Queensland (1829-1889) Emma CARTER 23 Aug 1881 (1881/001257) Robert Joseph Logan married Ann Eliza EWING 23 May 1882 (1882/001073). William LOGAN died 23 August 1865 1865/000847 Parents not listed. With James Alexander and William LOGAN being names already on your list, and with their having a brother John, the following may be helpful: William Wallace LOGAN born 16 Nov 1877 Reg: 1878/0001030 Father: John Mother: Emily Hart Eva Florence LOGAN born 23 June 1880 Reg: 1880/005791 Father: John Mother: Emily Caroline Hartt (sic) James Alexander Malcolm LOGAN born 10 January 1886 Ref: 1885/007246 Father: John Mother: Emily Caroline Hartt (sic) I think you already have the death of Mary LOGAN Father; James Logan Mother: Marion Alexander died 19 July 1870 Qld Ref: 1870/001168. Di R. in BRISBANE.

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Hi Lorrae, I noticed in today's mail that Stephen Morrison is actually on the Toowoomba list, so that's good. I didn't want to divulge his email address when I first wrote, in case he wasn't. So now he can follow it through himself. Also, Tina, on the list may be able to help him out. Thanks Lorrae, Di. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TAJ Computer Support" <TAJ@uq.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com>Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: [AQ-TOOWOOMBA] RE: Re LOGAN and ALEXANDER > Hi > The LOGAN's have published a book - of which I own one of. Logan > History Committee, "LOGAN Saga - The History of James and Margaret of > Boony Bank". She was Margaret LAIRD - I have no parents as > Mary/Marion ALEXANDER so it may not be the same family. > > Should you want a look up - (no hurry please) - I can check and let you > know if it is the same LOGAN family. > > Lorrae Johnson > Plainland Qld 4341 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > -----Original Message----- > From: Di Randell [mailto:dirandell@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 11:44 PM> To: AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re LOGAN and ALEXANDER > > > Stephen (USA) found one of his LOGANs in Toowoomba Cemetery as a result > of Gloria Mattingley's request.> He is researching LOGAN and ALEXANDER. > I'm posting the following from Digger Qld. Pioneer Index 1829-1889: it > may be "his" and someone else on the list with whom he can share. > > BP = born prior to compulsory registration. > > John LOGAN > baptised 13 June 1845 > not registered until 1854 > Ref: 1854/BP0125 > Father: James > Mother: Marion > > James Alexander LOGAN > baptised 18 Dec 1849 > not registered until 1854 > Ref: 1854/BP 0535 > Father: James > Mother: Marion ALEXANDER > > Mary LOGAN > baptised 20 Sept 1851 > not registered until 1854 > Ref: 1854/BP0661 > > William LOGAN > born 26 October 1860 > Ref: 1860/000861 > Father; James > Mother: Mary Ann ALEXANDER. >

Hi The LOGAN's have published a book - of which I own one of. Logan History Committee, "LOGAN Saga - The History of James and Margaret of Boony Bank". She was Margaret LAIRD - I have no parents as Mary/Marion ALEXANDER so it may not be the same family. Should you want a look up - (no hurry please) - I can check and let you know if it is the same LOGAN family. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich We use and recommend NOD32 Anti-virus software -----Original Message----- From: Di Randell [mailto:dirandell@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 11:44 PM To: AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re LOGAN and ALEXANDER Stephen (USA) found one of his LOGANs in Toowoomba Cemetery as a result of Gloria Mattingley's request. He is researching LOGAN and ALEXANDER. I'm posting the following from Digger Qld. Pioneer Index 1829-1889: it may be "his" and someone else on the list with whom he can share. BP = born prior to compulsory registration. John LOGAN baptised 13 June 1845 not registered until 1854 Ref: 1854/BP0125 Father: James Mother: Marion James Alexander LOGAN baptised 18 Dec 1849 not registered until 1854 Ref: 1854/BP 0535 Father: James Mother: Marion ALEXANDER Mary LOGAN baptised 20 Sept 1851 not registered until 1854 Ref: 1854/BP0661 William LOGAN born 26 October 1860 Ref: 1860/000861 Father; James Mother: Mary Ann ALEXANDER.

Damned right its the right Logans!!!! Di, if we were in the same hemisphere, I did buy you a pint!!! THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!!! Stephen in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <dirandell@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: [AQ-TOOWOOMBA] Re LOGAN and ALEXANDER > Stephen (USA) found one of his LOGANs in Toowoomba Cemetery as a result of Gloria Mattingley's request. > He is researching LOGAN and ALEXANDER. > I'm posting the following from Digger Qld. Pioneer Index 1829-1889: it may be "his" and someone else on the list with whom he can share. > > BP = born prior to compulsory registration. > > John LOGAN > baptised 13 June 1845 > not registered until 1854 > Ref: 1854/BP0125 > Father: James > Mother: Marion > > James Alexander LOGAN > baptised 18 Dec 1849 > not registered until 1854 > Ref: 1854/BP 0535 > Father: James > Mother: Marion ALEXANDER > > Mary LOGAN > baptised 20 Sept 1851 > not registered until 1854 > Ref: 1854/BP0661 > > William LOGAN > born 26 October 1860 > Ref: 1860/000861 > Father; James > Mother: Mary Ann ALEXANDER. > > > births, deaths and marriages homepage The Queensland Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages keeps records of all births, deaths and marriages that have occurred in the State since 1 January 1890. ... > www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/home.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages > > Resources for Family History Research at the Queensland State ... > Resources for Family History Research at Queensland State Archives. ... Records of births, > deaths and marriages pre-1890 are held at the Queensland State Archives. ... > www.archives.qld.gov.au/aids/famhist1.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages > [ More results from www.archives.qld.gov.au ] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----From: "Di Randell" <dirandell@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Gloria Mattingley" <gloriafay@optusnet.com.au>Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 2:12 PMSubject: Grave Finder Toowoomba & Drayton Cemetery > Grave Finder > Grave Finder, More information about Toowoomba City Council's Cemetery > Services. Search the Drayton & Toowoomba Cemetery grave records. ... > www3.toowoomba.qld.gov.au/eBiz/Apps/Cemetery/index.php - 6k - Cached - Similar pages > > > > ==== AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA Mailing List ==== > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you to all who helped with the info on The Toowoomba Cemetery site. Gloria.

Hi all, I am looking for descendants of William KELLY born Girvan SCT 1864 s/o William and Jean nee LOCKHART died Toowoomba QLD 1942. wife 1) Agnes Ann BRAWLEY wife 2) Isabella DOYLE children of 1st marriage: Thomas, James, William, Mary, Sarah, Rachel, Maggie, John, Victoria all born between c1893-c1912 William is my gg grandmother's brother -I have a lot of info about some of the other siblings and parents grandparents etc looking forward to hearing from anyone! Carol Carol and Ross Lind Perth, Western Australia Ph 61+8+9447 4797 Fax 61+8+9243 6378

Stephen (USA) found one of his LOGANs in Toowoomba Cemetery as a result of Gloria Mattingley's request. He is researching LOGAN and ALEXANDER. I'm posting the following from Digger Qld. Pioneer Index 1829-1889: it may be "his" and someone else on the list with whom he can share. BP = born prior to compulsory registration. John LOGAN baptised 13 June 1845 not registered until 1854 Ref: 1854/BP0125 Father: James Mother: Marion James Alexander LOGAN baptised 18 Dec 1849 not registered until 1854 Ref: 1854/BP 0535 Father: James Mother: Marion ALEXANDER Mary LOGAN baptised 20 Sept 1851 not registered until 1854 Ref: 1854/BP0661 William LOGAN born 26 October 1860 Ref: 1860/000861 Father; James Mother: Mary Ann ALEXANDER. births, deaths and marriages homepage The Queensland Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages keeps records of all births, deaths and marriages that have occurred in the State since 1 January 1890. ... www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/home.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages Resources for Family History Research at the Queensland State ... Resources for Family History Research at Queensland State Archives. ... Records of births, deaths and marriages pre-1890 are held at the Queensland State Archives. ... www.archives.qld.gov.au/aids/famhist1.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.archives.qld.gov.au ] ----- Original Message ----From: "Di Randell" <dirandell@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Gloria Mattingley" <gloriafay@optusnet.com.au>Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 2:12 PMSubject: Grave Finder Toowoomba & Drayton Cemetery Grave Finder Grave Finder, More information about Toowoomba City Council's Cemetery Services. Search the Drayton & Toowoomba Cemetery grave records. ... www3.toowoomba.qld.gov.au/eBiz/Apps/Cemetery/index.php - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

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Thanks Alice, Robyn and Sandra for your suggestions re what to do with children, taking on their mother's married name, but born up to 6 years prior to their mother's marriage. I thought long and hard about it: I did want to "link" them as a family unit. In the end the package did it for me: it recorded them as "adopted" so I've contended myself with that. Of course, my "notes" give further particulars. Di R. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <dirandell@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: [AQ-TOOWOOMBA] Children born before Marriage. Practice in genealogy? > Hello list > > Is there a practice, in genealogy, of placing children born to a spinster before her marriage? > > My great grandmother and her brother were born up to 6 years prior to their mother (a spinster) marrying. > > Their is no record of the birth of my great grandmother or her brother.> > Both, however, took on the name of their mother's husband, and claimed him as their father, when they married. Also, on their mother's death certificate (my great great grandmother) they are listed along with the children of the marriage. > > A lot of other people have done this family tree but they have completely ignored the fact that my great great grand mother actually had these two children out of wedlock. > > What is the done thing?> > Thanks for your comments.> > Di. R.

Was hoping someone on the list may have a copy of a book - Harrisville State School Centenary 1891 - 1991 Thanks Tina