Hi Allison and Kerry Thank you Allison for that information. So - they went that far north?! It was nice of you to note the Elmshorn record, but that particular query was regarding the GIESEMANN families. Please don't give me any Mullers that far west, I might become insane overnight (or earlier). Kerry, I would like a copy of that book cover please. I'm wondering if the Dern Index covers the families in the Kalbar Cemetery? One file talks about Kalbar Baptist Cemetery - I'm sure you would know, are there two or more cemeteries in such a little place? What do you think of the idea that your Bagemuhl families could be tied up with those others? I reckon MÜLLER in Prussia is equal to SMITH or BROWN etc.!! Best wishes to all Bev K