Out of date and misleading is a very strong statement. Surely stating your relative's war records and helping people from my experience in using the AMW8 and AMW133 cannot be said to be misleading? First my information about the Boer War is straight out of www.naa.gov au files so how can that be misleading? 1st World War This was mostly a record of my uncle's experiences in 1914-1918 so how is that misleading? I believe it is quicker to e-mail, phone or write to NAA with details of your relatives Service records as the digitised service for all NAA records is very slow. Go to www.awm.gov.au click on Biographical Data Bases then click on First World War Nominal Roll, enter name and click on Search When your name comes up click on the page number and the AIF Nominal Roll will appear. You can now print off a copy. From the personal records from Australian Archives then see what unit he or she left Australia then apply for the AMW8 Embarkation Roll. . AMW8 the Nominal Roll Of the 1stAIF is available on the Internet AWM133 the Embarkation records are not available on the Internet but both can be found in State Libraries as well as in Canberra, Genealogical Societies or some Mormon Libraries .I know one Mormon Library has the Nominal roll. 2nd World WAR 1939-1945 There is no ww2@naa.gov.au e-mail as you state in your e-mail. I learnt the hard way in obtaining Service records. It started when I tried to find my Grandfathers record of Service he served for two years in the Queensland Volunteer Rifles about 1882 to 1884. Because he was an enlisted man (Corporal) there does not seem to any records. I have looked at the History of the unit in the State Library but that only mentions Officers. Although I phoned STD in daylight and talked to people in a Military Museum in Brisbane and wrote asking assistance more than twice I received no reply and neither did my cousin who wrote and phoned them. I have given one Military Museum, one Museum and one Historical Society a great deal on information. I have a Certificate of Appreciation for my information from one of these societies. I have and helped quite a few people obtain records of their relatives and obtain Service medals and told people they are entitled to VDC and Civilian Service medals and helped them obtain their record of Service, and their medals. As an ex member of the RAAF in the 1939-45 War I know the records are being transferred to The National Archives. When NAA take over the records I can apply to SCMA and they will obtain a copy from NAA at no cost to me. I use my State Library and my Genealogical Society for my Research. I also have used the Mormon Library. Just to prove to you how good these Libraries and Genealogical Societies are I will quote some instances. I tried the State and Commonwealth Achives to find my ancestors naturalisation papers and in the end I went to the State Library and found my two main relatives papers and could have obtained all the rest of my other relative's papers. One was naturalised in 1862 and the other 1872. This information was collated by the Queensland Historical Society By using the State Library in one day I can trace my wife's family history in Australia from their arrival in Van Diemans Land in 1833 all their time in Van Diemans Land, the regimental three monthly muster of Officers and Ranks with their pay and allowances and where they are detached to and even an allowance for servants to my wife's ggrand father a surgeon in the regiment, their parents movement in the Army to India and ! their service in India. The children's marriages in Van Diemans land, their life there and other children who came to Victoria in 1839 and their movements around Victoria, I can go to Henderson Book of Pioneers Of Victoria and find five pages about their lives, some of which is erroneous and with a page of photos of the family. Books surround me on all subjects and all in the same room as the genealogical records. The CQ railway records are available in this Library, and old and present Newspapers in the Reading Room. Also there is an Honour Roll of men and women who died during the wars I am hazy about the AIF and Navy but I have read the RAAF Honour Roll and it has the name and where and how killed and possibly where buried. I know that all this is not available to country folks so why not have a pen pal in a City and ask them to find information for you. In the Library we have all Eric Koppitke books plus the Wurtemberg Immigrant by Judy Froecke. I find from the Wurtemberg Immigrants book the film number for my relatives and then send a letter and six dollars and my film number to my nearest Mormon Library. They let me know when the film has arrived so I go and read the film and take prints. All this is in German but it is generally in Chronological order and provided you know the name, date of birth and when the application was made (the application date from the Wurtemberg book) They are imposing document and can be translated by most German citizens. I at first had a U3 German teacher translating then a schoolteacher and now I have a lady who is very good. I phoned the German Embassy in my Capital City and found the address of the two Council's where my ancestors came from. One council answered my letter and supplied me with an address of my relative. She supplied me with church records. The other town was entirely different with their records as they sent me a census of people who lived in the houses my relatives lived in. In regard to my German relatives in Australia they have a good 1st war and 2nd War records. On my great Grandmothers side, very much a German name, there are I think at least three who enlisted. In the 1st War. One enlisted almost at the beginning of the war 24-08-1914 and served until he left England on 15-11-1918. His brother also served overseas. Another relative won the Military Medal I believe greater use should be made of State Libraries (apart from Archives) and Genealogical Societies. Both have large areas of research and have people to assist. In particular the Genealogical society has people on duty all the time to assist and also have a great magazine called Ancestor this is a high quality magazine and has large amounts of useful information. The other great source of Information is the public Record Office of Victoria this is also on the Internet . ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/