Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane.