Di My Great Grandparents arrived on the Cesar Godeffroy in February 1866. I don't know their religion at that time but in the July-September period of the Queensland Government Gazette my Great Grandfather (Gottfried Nitz) who was shown as a Minister of the Particular Baptist Denomination, residing at Minden, was duly registered as a Minister of Religion and authorised to celebrate marriages. Later, in the Post Office Directory of 1892 a list of churches and ministers appears for the town of Marburg., One entry is : Church of Christ, Evangelist, G. Nitz. At that time my Great Grandfather owned land between Marburg and Minden. I have no idea of what caused the change of religions or whether the Lutheran faith was ever followed by my Great Grandparents. Just another of those mysteries still looking for an answer. Alan Nitz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. Salvation Army.Presbyterian Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks, First of all there was no German migration to Queensland for religious reasons. It is fact that a pastor Neimeyer from Hatton Vale did go to Germany in about 1900 and brought a number for migrants out to open up the North Burnett region but the reasons were economical for the migrants and development for the government. Now while the majority of German migrants to the Lockyer and Fassifern valleys were Lutheran there was also a large catholic migration who went over the range to the Downs. There was a group of Baptists who settled around Minden. I have not yet been able to get a handle on this but it does seem that either they were Baptist in Germany or that the pastor brought out was Baptist. There was also a small Church of Christ group who seemed to have settled in Marburg. What I have established is that the Queensland government sponsored or supported religious clergy to migrate to Queensland to minister to the German settlers. Generally they brought Lutheran pastors but it does appear that in more than one instance they may have supported the migration of a non-Lutheran pastor to minister to them. To add to the confusion because the pastor may not have came form the same area as the settlers or may have been a part of a different synod in Germany there were congregational conflicts resulting in a lot of movement between denominations. This seems to have occurred more in the Lockyer valley than we want to accept. I have been trying for some years to find out what happened here. I am told that if I could get a copy of a book entitled "One Hundred Years of Lutheran Church in Queensland" I could get a lot of answers. Unfortunately the book is long since out of print. Hope that helps a little to understand this subject. Albert Grulke in hot dry muggy Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan and Shirley Nitz Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. SalvationArmy.Presbyterian Di My Great Grandparents arrived on the Cesar Godeffroy in February 1866. I don't know their religion at that time but in the July-September period of the Queensland Government Gazette my Great Grandfather (Gottfried Nitz) who was shown as a Minister of the Particular Baptist Denomination, residing at Minden, was duly registered as a Minister of Religion and authorised to celebrate marriages. Later, in the Post Office Directory of 1892 a list of churches and ministers appears for the town of Marburg., One entry is : Church of Christ, Evangelist, G. Nitz. At that time my Great Grandfather owned land between Marburg and Minden. I have no idea of what caused the change of religions or whether the Lutheran faith was ever followed by my Great Grandparents. Just another of those mysteries still looking for an answer. Alan Nitz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. Salvation Army.Presbyterian Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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Hi Folks Have been meaning to do this for some time and finally got around to it. My father was a Church of Christ minister at Wynnum and was of a Scottish father and a German descent mother BEITZ (her mother: LEPKE originally thought to be SEPKE). I have put up two photos on my web site at http://www.vivmartin.com.au/fotos/fotos.html Both are "working bee" constructions; one of the Wynnum Church of Christ possibly late 1925 with some family members identified - MARTIN, BEITZ, DUKE but the other I know nothing about. I have put them up in the hope that somebody might have the same photos in their collection with more detail. The clarity is excellent and if you click on the second rendition of the photo you can browse the detail. Am thinking of printing out large copies or send a file to the historical societies for display to increase the chance of a result? Can others post this info for me on other forums - just in case? Any suggestions? Viv Martin Melbourne, Vic Australia . -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of albert grulke Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News.SalvationArmy.Presbyterian Folks, First of all there was no German migration to Queensland for religious reasons. It is fact that a pastor Neimeyer from Hatton Vale did go to Germany in about 1900 and brought a number for migrants out to open up the North Burnett region but the reasons were economical for the migrants and development for the government. Now while the majority of German migrants to the Lockyer and Fassifern valleys were Lutheran there was also a large catholic migration who went over the range to the Downs. There was a group of Baptists who settled around Minden. I have not yet been able to get a handle on this but it does seem that either they were Baptist in Germany or that the pastor brought out was Baptist. There was also a small Church of Christ group who seemed to have settled in Marburg. What I have established is that the Queensland government sponsored or supported religious clergy to migrate to Queensland to minister to the German settlers. Generally they brought Lutheran pastors but it does appear that in more than one instance they may have supported the migration of a non-Lutheran pastor to minister to them. To add to the confusion because the pastor may not have came form the same area as the settlers or may have been a part of a different synod in Germany there were congregational conflicts resulting in a lot of movement between denominations. This seems to have occurred more in the Lockyer valley than we want to accept. I have been trying for some years to find out what happened here. I am told that if I could get a copy of a book entitled "One Hundred Years of Lutheran Church in Queensland" I could get a lot of answers. Unfortunately the book is long since out of print. Hope that helps a little to understand this subject. Albert Grulke in hot dry muggy Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan and Shirley Nitz Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. SalvationArmy.Presbyterian Di My Great Grandparents arrived on the Cesar Godeffroy in February 1866. I don't know their religion at that time but in the July-September period of the Queensland Government Gazette my Great Grandfather (Gottfried Nitz) who was shown as a Minister of the Particular Baptist Denomination, residing at Minden, was duly registered as a Minister of Religion and authorised to celebrate marriages. Later, in the Post Office Directory of 1892 a list of churches and ministers appears for the town of Marburg., One entry is : Church of Christ, Evangelist, G. Nitz. At that time my Great Grandfather owned land between Marburg and Minden. I have no idea of what caused the change of religions or whether the Lutheran faith was ever followed by my Great Grandparents. Just another of those mysteries still looking for an answer. Alan Nitz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Di Randell Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. Salvation Army.Presbyterian Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of map-reading skills. They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing. Now I have another question: It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the first or second generations. My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864. A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside. The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet "of age" and they would have had to give permission. In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death, her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites. However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful News Mission, Salvation Army. The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children. My questions are: ..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for those times, with German immigrants? ..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went along with the idea of being Lutherans? Di Brisbane. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. 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