Hello Wayne Would it be possible to forward me a copy as well I have a photo of a Zirbel relative in a Uniform & maybe your photo could help me identify the one I have Would be happy to scan & send you a copy Regards Phyllis Zirbel Goondiwindi RESEARCHING FAMILIES Zirbel, Kitson, Horton, Tebb . Acret, Fechner Busiko ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne bunning" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > Hi Albert, > Have sent you direct to your personal email address a attachment which > shows > a picture of Franco Prussian war veterans taken before WW1. > > Kind regards > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration > > >> Wayne, >> Long time since I heard from you. Good to hear. >> First of all I am no expert on this topic. >> I do know of one family in South Australia where they migrated because of >> conscription. He had 7 sons and 2 were already in the army. He is alleged >> to >> have said that he did not raise sons to fight for the Prussian so and so. >> Therefore he migrated to South Australia with his five sons and the other >> 2 >> followed as soon as they completed their training. >> I have heard of other families but not in Queensland. >> To my knowledge the Marburg situation goes like this: >> Somebody decided to cut up the land holding around Marburg and Minden >> into >> 40-acre blocks. The agent then went to Pomerania to recruit German >> farmers >> to take up the blocks and develop them. >> To this date I have not been able to determine who made the decision and >> who >> the agent was but I suspect from the way it was handled that it was >> Queensland government. >> At the time there was an acute land shortage in Pomerania. Very often the >> eldest or youngest son stayed in Pomerania and the other sons were >> encouraged to migrate. >> The Queensland government took full advantage of this. >> When the migrant arrived in Brisbane he went to a hostel at either >> Kangaroo >> Point or Eaglehawk near Beenleigh. >> It appears that the land was not allotted until after the migrant was >> actually on Queensland soil. >>>From what I can gather they spent on average about 4 months at the >>>hostel. >> I am interested in the comment that they were proud to show off their >> Franco-Prussian medals. >> It intrigues me that our German ancestors in Queensland were proud of >> their >> German ancestry yet they never shared it with us. One gets snippets like >> this but no detail. I would love to know why. >> Albert Grulke >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wayne >> bunning >> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 9:34 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Fw: German immigration >> >> Hi Albert, >> >> I have found your article very interesting, can you assist me by >> explaining >> the connection of the reluctance of Germans to fight in Europe and their >> preference to immigrate to escape conscription. >> >>>From my experience with my family in the Marburg area, the reason for >> immigration was purely opportunity for economic reasons. >> I have found no one yet whose ancestor left for conscription reasons. >> My great grandfather and other Germans of the Marburg region were quite >> proud to display their Franco Prussian medals etc. >> >> Whereas I know that some did immigrate to escape conscription, I suspect >> it >> was a small percentage. >> >> Kind regards >> Wayne >> >>> From: "albert grulke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>> >>> >>>> The subject of German migration to Australia has interested me for many >>>> years but when I finally sat down to study the topic about fifteen >>>> years >>>> ago >>>> I soon found it to be more fascination than interest. >>>> To try and answer Pam's question we need to put to bed a few myths that >>>> seem >>>> to have developed. >>>> First of all religion had absolutely no bearing on German migration to >>>> any >>>> state but South Australia in the 19th century. >>>> There was a fleet of three ships that docked off Port Adelaide in 1838. >>>> The >>>> total passengers of these ships made up one Lutheran congregation. They >>>> came >>>> under the lead of a Lutheran pastor who was fleeing Saxony because of >>>> perceived religious persecution. The people in the fleet were in the >>>> main >>>> members of his congregation in Saxony. Actually they came from Silesia >>>> although Saxony gets a fair mention. >>>> It cannot be doubted that some had come because of religion but if we >>>> examine some of the material created by these migrants we begin to see >>>> that >>>> family and opportunity played a large part in their decision. >>>> In 1842 a ship arrived in Prot Adelaide and there can be no question >>>> that >>>> almost all of these migrates had come because of religious beliefs. In >>>> fact >>>> if one traces their families down the line we can see those same >>>> religious >>>> concerns being promoted as late as 2007. >>>> After these two groups the South Australian Germans came from Silesia, >>>> Saxony and the Wends came from Slovenia. The church in South Australia >>>> did >>>> play a role in their migration but in every instance where I have >>>> researched >>>> I find family or opportunity was the motivator. >>>> In fact I consider that German migration to South Australia was >>>> relatively >>>> small compared to NSW and Queensland. >>>> Victoria is interesting because while some groups migrated direct from >>>> Germany to Victoria to places like Thomastown and Geelong there were >>>> probably as many who jumped ships of which they were crews and headed >>>> south >>>> from Sydney. There were probably many more who travelled across from >>>> Adelaide to the Western districts and Wimmera. >>>> I can find no record of Gamna migration to Western Australia. The few >>>> German >>>> settlements in that state seemed to ache come from Adelaide. >>>> Tasmania is of interest and to date I cannot get much on it. However I >>>> know >>>> that threat was a small German migration to that state. >>>> New South Wales has fascinated me. Initlaly I was told that there had >>>> never >>>> been any migration to NSW. Then I stumbled on some data that started me >>>> to >>>> ask lots of questions. >>>> The interesting things I found is that there was a wine industry in NSW >>>> well >>>> before any vines wert grown in South Australia. >>>> The gentry of Sydney began to bring German mignrats from the Rhine >>>> regions >>>> from the early 1800s to tend their vineyards. In the mid-1800s there >>>> was >>>> a >>>> huge migration of Gemrnas to the Hunter regions and further out. >>>> These mignrats came via Sydney buit a lot come via Moreton bay. >>>> There were large German settlements in Grafton, Armidale, Tenterfield, >>>> west >>>> of Bathurst and the Hunter Valley regions. >>>> They were brought there because of their skills. In many cases they >>>> were >>>> sponsored by employers and in some case by government. >>>> What I find amazing is that within a generation all trace of German >>>> ancestry >>>> seemed to be forgotten. As I have moved about asking questions I get >>>> people >>>> even today who say they never knew they were of German descent. >>>> The German migration to South Queensland seems to out number the other >>>> states combined. >>>> I don't think I am too lazed in saying that there were actually two or >>>> maybe >>>> three migration periods. Prior to separation from NSW the Moreton bay >>>> administration had encouraged agents to go to Pomerania in northern >>>> Germany >>>> and recruit migrant families to come to Queensland to work as shepherds >>>> and >>>> farm hands for the station owners. >>>> Then after separation the infant Queensland government sent agents >>>> across >>>> the Pomerania and Poland to recruit settlers to come out to take up >>>> land >>>> selections. >>>> Depending on who we look at it we can say that this continued until the >>>> 1890s or we can say that there was another recruitment drive in the >>>> same >>>> places in the 1970s and 80s. We can go further here and say that this >>>> time >>>> the government also enticed professionals and skilled tradesmen to >>>> migrate. >>>> I could expand on this and am happy to if anybody wants it. I have >>>> given >>>> a >>>> very broad answer to Pam's query. >>>> I can assure anybody who questions me that religion played NO part in >>>> migration to Queensland. >>>> Having said that I know that a pastor Neimeyer did go to Pomerania a >>>> number >>>> of times at the request of the Queensland government to recruit >>>> migrants. >>>> Hope this helps answer a little bit. >>>> Albert Grulke >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrae >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:33 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] German immigration >>>> >>>> Hi Pamela >>>> >>>> There have been some wonderful discussion on this in the SEQld German >>>> list. >>>> Some of them have been sponsored by the Government through the German >>>> religious ministers to bring >>>> people from the homeland to Australia. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lorrae >>>> Glenore Grove Qld 4342 >>>> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich >>>> >>>> Researching: >>>> WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. >>>> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Lorrae-Johnson/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0800 >>>> From: Pam Dowling <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [Gen-Qld] German immigration >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm interested to know why there seem to have been so many German >>>> immigrants to SE Qld. Can anyone expand on the timeframe, reasons or >>>> the >>>> social history behind this please? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Pam >>>> >>>> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ >>>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>>> to >>>> South East Queensland, Australia. >>>> Archives - >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >>>> to South East Queensland, Australia. >>>> Archives - >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated >> to >> South East Queensland, Australia. >> Archives - >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > 6/11/2007 8:05 PM > >