Chris, First of all this story fascinates me. I have had a plan to write a story on the internments from the perspective of the individuals and their descendants. I have gathered a reasonable amount of material but the project is about ten years away and by then I probably won't be here. The attached story is about Naomi's father. I have the file here and can send it to you by snail mail if you want it. It does not say much more than what I have written. I will try to find the notes that I have gathered over a time if you want them. I recently got some information on the internment of pastor Gutekunst but it si incomplete at this stage. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 2:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Germans in Australia 1914-1946- Research I am doing Hi I am writing a book on the history of Germans in Australia during World War I and II and the period between the wars. This is a project that I expect to take quite a while to complete- probably as long as five years at the rate I get time to pursue the things I am interested in! Naturally, the whole issue of internment comes into this and I am interested in hearing from anyone with personal stories to relate who remember or have information on relatives that were interned. I would also be interested in speaking to anyone still living who has memory of these years and can relate their experiences or maybe there is someone who still has relatives alive that were interned. Because, it can start to get a little off topic, and can raise dissension, it would be best to provide info off list. I am also interested in hearing people's current opinions- and the reasons for them- on the issue of internment. One of the reasons given for internment was the supposed lack of loyalty of the Germans and those of German descent. For example, I have seen it written that a lot of Germans stated that they did not want their sons serving in an English war where they would meet their cousins still in Germany on the battle field. I intend to present the other side of the story- that despite first generation Australians not being permitted to serve- many did serve and with honour. As an introduction, I will also be giving an overview of German immigration to Australia, and when, where and why they came and their contribution and Australian attitudes up until then. The book will then conclude with a summary of what has happened sense. I know many people I have spoken to tell of really negative attitudes and the association of all Germans with Nazi until recently. Any help with any information- off list- would be appreciated. Personal stories can be included in the book anonymously or with credit. I look forward to people's responses! Regards Chris

hI Hi again just saw this email of yours. Yes it is a fascinating story and one I think with relevance to todays Australia. A lot of great Australians of German descent were hurt because it was not only those of German birth that were interned but also others of German parentage. I believe it shows what can happen when fear rules our heads. Its also not just the internments but politicians and officials of German descent that were forced to resign and other people of German heritage that suffered grave economic loss because of government policy and community attitudes. Any notes you can send would be great. Naomi's father's story isn't attached so can your resend but not via the list? Any notes if you have time to send them snail mail can be sent to 2/197 Breton St Coopers Plains Qld 4108. So far my preliminary research shows that approximnately 4800 Germans were interned in World War I of which 4600 were Australian residents or citizens. In World War II the figure was only 400 so the practice was not as extensive. It seems in World War II the focus was more on Community leaders that they could make an example of as a warning. Apparently, the legislation that allowed the internment of "enemy aliens" in World War I and additional legislation that was passed in World War II has never been repealed and could be used today to prison people from countries with which we are at war e.g Arabs. I actually think it is scary Regards Chris --- Lorrae <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > First of all this story fascinates me. I have had a > plan to write a story on > the internments from the perspective of the > individuals and their > descendants. I have gathered a reasonable amount of > material but the project > is about ten years away and by then I probably won't > be here. > The attached story is about Naomi's father. I have > the file here and can > send it to you by snail mail if you want it. It does > not say much more than > what I have written. > I will try to find the notes that I have gathered > over a time if you want > them. > I recently got some information on the internment of > pastor Gutekunst but it > si incomplete at this stage. > Albert Grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Chris Schmidt > Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 2:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Germans in Australia > 1914-1946- Research I am doing > > Hi > > I am writing a book on the history of Germans in > Australia during World War I and II and the period > between the wars. This is a project that I expect to > take quite a while to complete- probably as long as > five years at the rate I get time to pursue the > things > I am interested in! > > Naturally, the whole issue of internment comes into > this and I am interested in hearing from anyone with > personal stories to relate who remember or have > information on relatives that were interned. I would > also be interested in speaking to anyone still > living > who has memory of these years and can relate their > experiences or maybe there is someone who still has > relatives alive that were interned. Because, it can > start to get a little off topic, and can raise > dissension, it would be best to provide info off > list. > I am also interested in hearing people's current > opinions- and the reasons for them- on the issue of > internment. > > One of the reasons given for internment was the > supposed lack of loyalty of the Germans and those of > German descent. For example, I have seen it written > that a lot of Germans stated that they did not want > their sons serving in an English war where they > would > meet their cousins still in Germany on the battle > field. I intend to present the other side of the > story- that despite first generation Australians not > being permitted to serve- many did serve and with > honour. > > As an introduction, I will also be giving an > overview > of German immigration to Australia, and when, where > and why they came and their contribution and > Australian attitudes up until then. The book will > then conclude with a summary of what has happened > sense. I know many people I have spoken to tell of > really negative attitudes and the association of > all > Germans with Nazi until recently. > > Any help with any information- off list- would be > appreciated. Personal stories can be included in > the > book anonymously or with credit. > > I look forward to people's responses! > > Regards > > Chris > > A List for the research for the descendants of the > Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, > Australia. > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

Hi Listers, Following on about internment during the two big wars - I would like to jump in here and remind readers, of an excellent book produced several years ago by Manfred Jurgensen and Alan Corkill from the University of Queensland, - called " The German Presence in Queensland" which has very detailed stories and links about those dark days. I do not know if the book is still in print but should be available to read through local libraries..............Happy reading .......Jim C. Chris Schmidt wrote: >hI >Hi again > >just saw this email of yours. Yes it is a fascinating >story and one I think with relevance to todays >Australia. A lot of great Australians of German >descent were hurt because it was not only those of >German birth that were interned but also others of >German parentage. I believe it shows what can happen >when fear rules our heads. > >Its also not just the internments but politicians and >officials of German descent that were forced to resign >and other people of German heritage that suffered >grave economic loss because of government policy and >community attitudes. > > >Any notes you can send would be great. Naomi's >father's story isn't attached so can your resend but >not via the list? Any notes if you have time to send >them snail mail can be sent to 2/197 Breton St Coopers >Plains Qld 4108. > >So far my preliminary research shows that >approximnately 4800 Germans were interned in World War >I of which 4600 were Australian residents or citizens. > In World War II the figure was only 400 so the >practice was not as extensive. It seems in World War >II the focus was more on Community leaders that they >could make an example of as a warning. > >Apparently, the legislation that allowed the >internment of "enemy aliens" in World War I and >additional legislation that was passed in World War II >has never been repealed and could be used today to >prison people from countries with which we are at war >e.g Arabs. I actually think it is scary > >Regards > >Chris >--- Lorrae <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>Chris, >>First of all this story fascinates me. I have had a >>plan to write a story on >>the internments from the perspective of the >>individuals and their >>descendants. I have gathered a reasonable amount of >>material but the project >>is about ten years away and by then I probably won't >>be here. >>The attached story is about Naomi's father. I have >>the file here and can >>send it to you by snail mail if you want it. It does >>not say much more than >>what I have written. >>I will try to find the notes that I have gathered >>over a time if you want >>them. >>I recently got some information on the internment of >>pastor Gutekunst but it >>si incomplete at this stage. >>Albert Grulke >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf Of Chris Schmidt >>Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 2:50 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Germans in Australia >>1914-1946- Research I am doing >> >>Hi >> >>I am writing a book on the history of Germans in >>Australia during World War I and II and the period >>between the wars. This is a project that I expect to >>take quite a while to complete- probably as long as >>five years at the rate I get time to pursue the >>things >>I am interested in! >> >>Naturally, the whole issue of internment comes into >>this and I am interested in hearing from anyone with >>personal stories to relate who remember or have >>information on relatives that were interned. I would >>also be interested in speaking to anyone still >>living >>who has memory of these years and can relate their >>experiences or maybe there is someone who still has >>relatives alive that were interned. Because, it can >>start to get a little off topic, and can raise >>dissension, it would be best to provide info off >>list. >>I am also interested in hearing people's current >>opinions- and the reasons for them- on the issue of >>internment. >> >>One of the reasons given for internment was the >>supposed lack of loyalty of the Germans and those of >>German descent. For example, I have seen it written >>that a lot of Germans stated that they did not want >>their sons serving in an English war where they >>would >>meet their cousins still in Germany on the battle >>field. I intend to present the other side of the >>story- that despite first generation Australians not >>being permitted to serve- many did serve and with >>honour. >> >>As an introduction, I will also be giving an >>overview >>of German immigration to Australia, and when, where >>and why they came and their contribution and >>Australian attitudes up until then. The book will >>then conclude with a summary of what has happened >>sense. I know many people I have spoken to tell of >>really negative attitudes and the association of >>all >>Germans with Nazi until recently. >> >>Any help with any information- off list- would be >>appreciated. Personal stories can be included in >>the >>book anonymously or with credit. >> >>I look forward to people's responses! >> >>Regards >> >>Chris >> >> A List for the research for the descendants of the >>Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, >>Australia. >> Archives - >> >> >> >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>to [email protected] with the >>word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. >www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >