Hi Just thought I mention re the discussion regarding the Cesar Godeffroy that the earliest of my ancestors to arrive in Australia, the KUMNICKS, arrived on this ship in 1849. On this journey, the ship travelled from Hamburg to Adelaide, unloading passengers- mostly from German areas but many of Wendish descent- and then continuing on to Melbourne. This is where it gets confusing. "Augie" or "Brandy" KUMNICK as he was known because he had a brandy distillery in the basement of his home in Lobethal, South Australia,travelled with his step motherRosine, half-brother Carl, half-sister Caroline, as well as his wife Johanne and two children. They are all on the passenger list leaving Hamburg. However, in a passenger list published in the Adelaide Advertiser on March Ist 1849, with a list of those disembarking, Carl is not mentioned. "Onkaparinga" by Carol Bischoff, which is a book about the Onkaparinga woollen mills in Lobethal with which the KUMNICKS were associated, states that the KUMNICK family disembarked in Melbourne and travelled overland to South Australia and Lobethal. The "Seidel Family History"- Carl married a Seidel- it is stated Carl disembarked in Melbourne with a group of twelve passengers and travelled overland. "Knowing the Noacks" a history of the NOACK family in Australia, states the KUMNICKS disembarked in Adelaide. I have found no "official" record of Carl's disembarkation in either Adelaide or Melbourne, just family lore in his descendants which agree with the overland story. Putting this story together it seems that perhaps combining these sources gives a true picture. "Augie" and the rest of the KUMNICK family disembarked in Melbourne, while for some reason Carl went on to Melbourne and travelled overland with a group. It is know they were both resident in Lobethal, South Australia later in 1849, where they had combined business interests. Not really relevant to South East Qld but it appears the Cesar Godeffroy made a few trips. Regards Chris Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail