Can anyone please tell me which Sea Route was travelled from Germany to Australia in the mid 1800s. I am particularly interested in the Route of the Cesar Godeffroy departed Hamburg in 1855 arrived in Aust 1856, on which m. I think ??? it disembarked passengers at Moreton Bay/Brisbane before sailing on to Sydney..Is this right, and if so where else did the ship also disembark passengers..Perhaps Mackay, or other ports.. I have not seen the passenger list, so I cannot judge for myself. Thanks if anyone can help Cheers Gay

Gay This may answer some of your questions. THE CESAR GODEFFROY This ship left Hamburg on October 15, and went direct to sea, but meeting with severe weather in the German Ocean she put back to Cuxhaven after being two days out. She lay in port for ten days when she again put to sea, but was once more compelled to return to port. Her final departure was made on the 5th November, and she went down the channel with a favouring breeze, and cleared Landsend on the third day, November 8. Thence to the line she had pleasant and fine weather, and she crossed the Equator on December 6, in long. 29 deg.12 min. W. She at once fell in with the South East Trades, and had a good run to the Cape of Good Hope. The latitude at that point was made on December 22, and she crossed the meridian on the 31st of the same month. About five days before passing the Cape she experienced a very high sea, and on January 2, in lat. 40 deg. 9 min. S., and long. 27 deg. 50 min. E. she met with a very heavy gale from the W.N.W., accompanied by a high sea, during which the glass fell from 29.80 to 29.22. Again, on the 18th, she had another violent gale from the N.N.E. by N., which blew with terrific violence for about five hours, and during this time the barometer read as low as 28. 40. The highest southing made in running the easting was the 46th parallel. The Cesar Godeffroy passed to the southward of Tasmania on January 3 and then for seven days she had strong southerly breezes, and on the 7th February she sighted Cape Byron. The two following days she had strong northerly winds, which caused Captain Decker to stand off shore. These gales seemed to have a circular course, commencing at north and travelling around eastwardly to north-west. To these succeeded calms and baffling winds, which, together with the coast current, prevented the ship reaching Cape Moreton until Tuesday February 13. Captain Decker estimates that by the causes above-mentioned he lost upwards of 150 miles after sighting Cape Byron. On the day she first made the Cape she was unable to enter Moreton Bay, as there was no wind, and she was drifted to the southward about 42 miles, and it was not until 9 am on the 14th that the pilot from Moreton Island took charge of the ship. The same evening she came to an anchor in Brisbane Roads. On the passage there had been very little sickness among the passengers, notwithstanding that there was a very large proportion of children. When the vessel sailed there were 316 passengers; but on the passage there were five births and two deaths, thus bringing the number landed up to 318 [sic]. One of the deaths was a woman who died in childbirth, and the other was an infant under two years of age. The passengers were passed by the Health Officer on Thursday, February 15, and were brought up from the ship on Saturday by the Kate, s., which conveyed them direct to the depot at Ipswich. At the time of embarkation the numbers might be classified thus: Males,123; females, 109; children, males, 41; females, 34; infants under one year, males 2; females 7; total, males 166; ditto females, 150; grand total 316. Alan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gay Fielding Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Sea Route from Germany to Eastern States Can anyone please tell me which Sea Route was travelled from Germany to Australia in the mid 1800s. I am particularly interested in the Route of the Cesar Godeffroy departed Hamburg in 1855 arrived in Aust 1856, on which m. I think ??? it disembarked passengers at Moreton Bay/Brisbane before sailing on to Sydney..Is this right, and if so where else did the ship also disembark passengers..Perhaps Mackay, or other ports.. I have not seen the passenger list, so I cannot judge for myself. Thanks if anyone can help Cheers Gay A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gay re query about the "Caesar Goddefroy" 1855-1856 to east coast: note the different captains in the two versions. Captain DECKER and Captain STARTENBECKER. Captain DECKER of Alan Nitz's email "The Cesar Godeffroy passed to the southward of Tasmania on January 3 and then for seven days she had strong southerly breezes, and on the 7th February she sighted Cape Byron. The two following days she had strong northerly winds, which caused Captain Decker to stand off shore" ... and then, this I found on the Web mentions Captain N. STARTENBECKER: Cesar Godeffroy George Wieneke emigrated From Hanover, Germany on 27th October, 1855 aboard this vessel to Moreton Bay. From "Early Shipping In Moreton Bay Jun 1846 - Dec 1859 Vol 1" compiled By Winifred Davenport & Betty Mottram: "Caesar Goddefroy Ship 614 Tons Capt N Startenbecker arrived 19 Feb 1856 from Hamburg 2 Nov 1855 - made a good run. 235 German Immigrants. 4 Cabin Passengers. Little or no sickness and not a single death. She has on board 3 German bulls and one entire horse, which we believe will go to Sydney, for which port she will sail immediately. A number of immigrants will also go on". Ronald Parsons' Book Migrant Sailing Ships From Hamburg describes the Cesar Godeffroy as a wooden, three mast barque (originally ship rigged) of 428t (later 621t) built in 1855, with dimensions of 43.7 X 8.6 X 5.85 metres. The Ship-Builder's name was J.C. Godeffroy. Interestingly, there were three vessels of the same name, the latest of which was built in 1873 By John Marbs. Parsons writes: "For J.C. Godeffroy, VI, ships were an important part of the overall business activities of the firm and the treatment aboard their ships was considered to be excellent and a handbook prepared for potential migrants in the 1850s pointed out that the ships of Godeffroy & Son were considered to be above average in the manner in which they cared for their passengers. Despite this by 1865 the Queensland press was beginning to carry stories about the alleged shortages of provisions in the Godeffroy ships conveying migrants to Queensland. One or two vessels certainly experienced a high mortality rate but this, it was generally agreed, probably stemmed from the lack of medical checks before the migrants were allowed to board the vessel rather than the lack of care or food during the voyage. Just the same there were a spate of inquiries which revealed that the shipowner was probably not at fault and the blame, if any could be laid at the door of the port authorities or the agents who gathered the migrants and placed them in the ships".