From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg. There is a very good website on Ancestry which is the Brandenburg Emigration Index. This Index lists people who lived in Brandenburg and who were granted permission to Emigrate. People were required to obtain permission to emigrate, but of course there were some people who didn't gain the permission and who just left. If you are lucky enough to have your family on the index, you can write to the Archives in Berlin and for a fee obtain all the documation for their emigration. The Friederike Wilhelmine (Wilhelmine) ARNDT who married Karl Friedrich Wilhelm VOLKER in 1875 emigrated with her parents. Originally this Arndt family are recorded as gaining permission to emigrate to Africa in 1857 and are all on the index. She is recorded on the Index as Brandenburg Emigrantion List Friederike Wilhelmine Arndt Age: 4 Place of Origin: Damerow/Kreis Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 2 Mrz 1857 (2 Mar 1857) The family finally emigrated in 1861 on the "Cesar Godeffroy" to Moreton Bay. It would be an interesting story if it could ever be found on why they changed their mind from emigrating to Africa to Australia and the time difference between when they applied and actually emigrated. It is also interesting to note on the Emigrants from Hamburg Passenger List CD that Eric and Rosemary Kopittke transcribed on behalf of the QFHS, that the Muller family, Arndt Family and the Volker Family all boarded the ship together in Hamburg and all gave their last place of residence as Damerow Preussen, another interesting thing when you look at the Passenger List is that the Plahn family also boarded just before them and were from Damerow and also the Bellert family who were from Rollwitz Preussen boarded between the Plahn family and the Muller Family. Rollwitz is approx 4 klms north of the Damerow near Prernzlau. We and other people researching families who emigrated from Hamburg have found that quite often families who boarded together were often related or knew each. So this indicates that the Arndt family were from Damerow Kreis Prenzlau. Not Alt Damerow in Mecklenburg which is approximately 153 west of the Damerow north of Prenzlau. (as the crow flies) On the Brandenburg Emigration Index there is also the Volker Family who emigrated from Damerow Preussen on the "Cesar Godeffroy" in 1861. This family also obtained permission to emigrate to Africa and ended up in Australia. They are from Damerow in Kreis Prenzlau. Some explanations are necessary for those who are not familiar with some of the German terms. Surnames which originally had an umlaut such as ö are also shown as 'oe' With the entry for Christine it translates to Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff married to Voelker and the standing Frau von carl Friedrich translates to wife of Carl Friedrich, not that there was von in their name. Dez is short for December, Mrz is short for March, Afrika is german for Africa. Carl Friedrich Voelker Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff, Verh. Voelker Standing: Frau von Carl Friedrich Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Charlotte Christine Caroline Voelker Age: 19 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 3 Dez 1842 (3 Dec 1842) Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 17 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 9 Nov 1844 Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 12 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 20 Aug 1849 Marie Wilhelmine Caroline Voelker Age: 9 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 13 Sep 1852 Friedrich Carl Christian Voelker Age: 6 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 21 Mrz 1855 (21 Mar 1855) Hope this has helped to clear up the mystery. For others wishing to use the Brandenburg Emigration Index, it is a free index and the website is http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4121 Regards Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project

Hello Noel and Del This is getting very interesting! You didn't mention the Damerow which is still in Brandenburg. Damerow, near Kraatz, off the L25 road at co-ordinates 53.4041, 13.6541. It is northwest of Prenzlau - about 20 km by road according to Google Maps. Is this one on your map? I imagine it was also in Kreis Prenzlau, Brandenburg. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 1:29 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Location of Damerow From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg.

Thanks for the link to the emigration records. I found Gottfried Müller but not his wife Caroline or their baby Marie. Name: Gottfried Mueller Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Australien (Australia) Year: 1861 Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 1:29 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Location of Damerow From: Noel & Del Bergman <nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS GERMAN NEWSGROUP Subject: location of Damerow Send reply to: nanddbergman@optusnet.com.au Date sent: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:54:53 +1000 Hi Everyone, We thought we may be able to offer some help. We have quite an detailed Road Atlas for Germany which is called the Auto Atlas Deutschland 1:200.000 and we have used it to good advantage on two trips to Germany driving in both Mecklenburg and Brandenburg as well as other areas. These maps are 6klm per 3cm so very detailed. My own Bergmann Ancestors came from Spornitz which is very near Parchim and I have a distant cousin who still lives there and I have travelled extensively in this region. I also have Stumer Ancestors from Brandenburg and have driven and stayed in this area. In the Atlas it shows an Alt Damerow near Parchim, which is in Mecklenburg, there is also a Damerow which is north of Prenzlau and south of Pasewalk. This one is just over the border in Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but was once in Kreis Prenzlau Brandenburg. There is a very good website on Ancestry which is the Brandenburg Emigration Index. This Index lists people who lived in Brandenburg and who were granted permission to Emigrate. People were required to obtain permission to emigrate, but of course there were some people who didn't gain the permission and who just left. If you are lucky enough to have your family on the index, you can write to the Archives in Berlin and for a fee obtain all the documation for their emigration. The Friederike Wilhelmine (Wilhelmine) ARNDT who married Karl Friedrich Wilhelm VOLKER in 1875 emigrated with her parents. Originally this Arndt family are recorded as gaining permission to emigrate to Africa in 1857 and are all on the index. She is recorded on the Index as Brandenburg Emigrantion List Friederike Wilhelmine Arndt Age: 4 Place of Origin: Damerow/Kreis Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 2 Mrz 1857 (2 Mar 1857) The family finally emigrated in 1861 on the "Cesar Godeffroy" to Moreton Bay. It would be an interesting story if it could ever be found on why they changed their mind from emigrating to Africa to Australia and the time difference between when they applied and actually emigrated. It is also interesting to note on the Emigrants from Hamburg Passenger List CD that Eric and Rosemary Kopittke transcribed on behalf of the QFHS, that the Muller family, Arndt Family and the Volker Family all boarded the ship together in Hamburg and all gave their last place of residence as Damerow Preussen, another interesting thing when you look at the Passenger List is that the Plahn family also boarded just before them and were from Damerow and also the Bellert family who were from Rollwitz Preussen boarded between the Plahn family and the Muller Family. Rollwitz is approx 4 klms north of the Damerow near Prernzlau. We and other people researching families who emigrated from Hamburg have found that quite often families who boarded together were often related or knew each. So this indicates that the Arndt family were from Damerow Kreis Prenzlau. Not Alt Damerow in Mecklenburg which is approximately 153 west of the Damerow north of Prenzlau. (as the crow flies) On the Brandenburg Emigration Index there is also the Volker Family who emigrated from Damerow Preussen on the "Cesar Godeffroy" in 1861. This family also obtained permission to emigrate to Africa and ended up in Australia. They are from Damerow in Kreis Prenzlau. Some explanations are necessary for those who are not familiar with some of the German terms. Surnames which originally had an umlaut such as ö are also shown as 'oe' With the entry for Christine it translates to Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff married to Voelker and the standing Frau von carl Friedrich translates to wife of Carl Friedrich, not that there was von in their name. Dez is short for December, Mrz is short for March, Afrika is german for Africa. Carl Friedrich Voelker Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Christine Marie Dorothee Markhoff, Verh. Voelker Standing: Frau von Carl Friedrich Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Charlotte Christine Caroline Voelker Age: 19 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 3 Dez 1842 (3 Dec 1842) Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 17 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 9 Nov 1844 Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Voelker Age: 12 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 20 Aug 1849 Marie Wilhelmine Caroline Voelker Age: 9 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 13 Sep 1852 Friedrich Carl Christian Voelker Age: 6 Place of Origin: Damerow/Prenzlau Destination: Afrika Year: 1861 Birth Date: 21 Mrz 1855 (21 Mar 1855) Hope this has helped to clear up the mystery. For others wishing to use the Brandenburg Emigration Index, it is a free index and the website is http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4121 Regards Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project

Hi all, I have a German historical cultural question - If a husband of a German couple died in the 1860's would the wife be likely to still carry his surname or is it expected or commonly practised like in English society to revert to her maiden name? My ancestor, which I have previously blogged was Caroline Muller and she was born to a Carl Hoban and mother Caroline Blumery Muller (nee Blumreich). I am trying to ascertain why she would have carried her mothers maiden name (albeit spelt incorrectly). Can I assume that Caroline had given her daughter her maiden name because the father Carl had died.....?? Any thoughts very welcome Martyn