Hi My Kamps, and Vorpagels (from Brandenburg) arrived here in 1872 but on their emigration papers in Germany they were supposed to go to South Africa the first Boer War was not until 1880. So that could hardly be the reason they came to Qld. There must have been some other reason. Regards Anna On 19 June 2010 12:08, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> wrote: > Hi > > One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South > Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led to > the Boer War in the 1890s > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > ________________________________ > From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > John raises an interesting point. > I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South > Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. > I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were > diverted in England. > I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and > were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. > I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow > applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. > I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. > Albert grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Heinemann > Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these > families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. > The > something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in > his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian > Friedrich > Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume > that > he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar > Godeffroy. > > I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to > Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen > agency could have been an influencing factor. > > John Heinemann > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I wonder if it had anything to do with German immigrant Bernhard Otto Holterman finding Australias larget ever gold nugget in 1872......the story hit the world very quickly and I imagine that the German press would have picked up and proliferated the story even faster. It could be that Germans emmigrants decided to change their plans (mid-planning) from going to the Sth African gold fields in favour of a potentially more lucrative Australia......just a thought. Martyn ________________________________________ From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anna Bell [anna670@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 19 June 2010 12:59 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Reason for diverting from South Africa Hi My Kamps, and Vorpagels (from Brandenburg) arrived here in 1872 but on their emigration papers in Germany they were supposed to go to South Africa the first Boer War was not until 1880. So that could hardly be the reason they came to Qld. There must have been some other reason. Regards Anna On 19 June 2010 12:08, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> wrote: > Hi > > One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South > Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led to > the Boer War in the 1890s > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > ________________________________ > From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > John raises an interesting point. > I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South > Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. > I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were > diverted in England. > I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and > were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. > I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow > applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. > I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. > Albert grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Heinemann > Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these > families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. > The > something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in > his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian > Friedrich > Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume > that > he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar > Godeffroy. > > I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to > Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen > agency could have been an influencing factor. > > John Heinemann > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Did some digging and come up with another reason why they came here. There was the Bounty Scheme where some one out here would sponser a family to come out here, They worked for the person until the passage was paid for and then you could settle where you wanted and become a settler. This may have been an option as most of the Germans were trying to escape religious persecution and it was more of a bright future than staying in Germany/ Regards Anna On 19 June 2010 13:14, Martyn Smith <Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if it had anything to do with German immigrant Bernhard Otto > Holterman finding Australias larget ever gold nugget in 1872......the story > hit the world very quickly and I imagine that the German press would have > picked up and proliferated the story even faster. > > It could be that Germans emmigrants decided to change their plans > (mid-planning) from going to the Sth African gold fields in favour of a > potentially more lucrative Australia......just a thought. > > Martyn > > ________________________________________ > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [ > aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anna Bell [ > anna670@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 19 June 2010 12:59 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Reason for diverting from South Africa > > Hi > > My Kamps, and Vorpagels (from Brandenburg) arrived here in 1872 but on > their > emigration papers in > Germany they were supposed to go to South Africa the first Boer War was > not until 1880. > So that could hardly be the reason they came to Qld. > > There must have been some other reason. > > Regards Anna > > > On 19 June 2010 12:08, Chris Schmidt <chris_schmidt@y7mail.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South > > Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led > to > > the Boer War in the 1890s > > > > Regards > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> > > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > > John raises an interesting point. > > I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South > > Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. > > I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but > were > > diverted in England. > > I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America > and > > were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. > > I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow > > applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. > > I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. > > Albert grulke > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > > Heinemann > > Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM > > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow > > > > > > On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these > > families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. > > The > > something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out > in > > his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian > > Friedrich > > Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume > > that > > he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar > > Godeffroy. > > > > I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to > > Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen > > agency could have been an influencing factor. > > > > John Heinemann > > > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. > > Please don't do it. > > > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated > to > > South East Queensland, Australia. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Archives - > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. 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