Hello list Re german emigration the Aust Govt open up land for settlement in 1870. .Thus may be one of the reasons for the change of destination for Hamburg passenfers. Plus religious persecution they were enduring at home. Regards Anna

Hi The fact that they were receiving religious persecution is overstated as a reason for immigration in the case of Queensland. It was certainly a major factor in the early German settlement in South Australia with three ships that arrived in 1839 with Pastor Kavel's flock and then Pastor Fritzsche's flock arriving in 1842. However, laws were passed in 1845 guaranteeing religious persecution. In my South Australian research of the South Australian branches of my family, I have found that people were often granted permission to emigrate in one year, but actually didn't emigrate until much later. Therefore, it remained a factor in people's minds- and -perhaps also concerned about a change in policy- until the 1850s. Certainly, however, by the time the heaviest German immigration to the Rosewood Scrub, Boonah and Lockyer areas was happening, it was nolonger a factor. We can see in South Australia where the settlers did come because of the religious persecution, they maintained a much stronger cultural identity and maintained their religious ties. If you go into these areas today they are still strongly Lutheran and have a Germanised cultural identity that is a mixture of German and English. There is even a German dialect that was spoken extensively in the Barossa and still is to some extent today called Barossa Deutsch which is sort of an anglicised German. Definitely, in Queensland German immigration has had a cultural impact on the areas they settled but not to the same extent. You don't see them holding on to their religion quite so ardently either----- they were pious, religious people in the large part whose faith was important them. But they were perhaps not as well educated and they were simple folk where denomination was not a priority- which it is amongst those that came here because of persecution- and taking my example of my BEUTEL and KAPERNICK ancestors who all were Lutheran originally, within one generation of being in Australia you have ever denomination under the sun including Catholic, Apostolic, Methodist, Presbyterian and Anglican and others. One thing that suprised when I started researching my Kapernick ancestors was the number of Catholic marriages, when in those days Catholics and protestants- particularly Lutheran- didn't mix. It certainly wouldn't have happened to the same extent in South Australia where they held on to denomination ties fiercely and even the different Synods that developed within Lutheranism didnt intermarry much. During the 1830s and 1840s groups went to United States for reasons of persecutionl. Somehow, though, it seems to have established itself as a major reason for emigration in Australia when the facts simply do not bear up to it. Of course, some of the early "German" settlers on the downs- most of the m were actually born here- were descendants of those settlers to South Australia that had moved here to find more cheaper and better land. Quite a few families came from the western dictricts of Victoria, to Queensland which were originally before that from South Australia! Thats why they are related! LOL! Even with the Bethania Lutherans that came around 1867 from memory and are said to have come here because of persecution, when this is deeply examined in the primary source material and diaries of the settlers it simply proves not to be true. It is possible that the persecution was a factor in SOME of the earlier Germans to come. Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Anna Bell <anna670@gmail.com> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 21 June, 2010 3:01:55 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] re Emigration Hello list Re german emigration the Aust Govt open up land for settlement in 1870. .Thus may be one of the reasons for the change of destination for Hamburg passenfers. Plus religious persecution they were enduring at home. Regards Anna Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message