Interesting. I was unaware of girls getting land orders and of children also getting them. I wonder where the order was for. I thought for some reason that the Drewes went to St Helens Station on work contract for five years before returning to Middle Ridge. John seems to suggest that maybe they had a land order on arrival. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2010 3:39 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Emigration -AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 109 In his posting (Message 4) Albert mentions migrants being granted blocks of land. I have noticed that the Qld State Archives have recently put the following indeces on line. Index to Register of Lands Sold 1849-1861 NEW! Index to Register of Lands 1861-1868 NEW! Index to Land Orders 1861-1874 NEW! If you find someone of interest copies of register pages can be ordered. However, the preamble that has been included by the archives indicates that grants were at times made to the immigration agents or migrant's employers (presumably for subsequent transfer to the migrant once they had worked the term of their contract). Hence there are many entries for Heussler, Heussler and Co and Heussler and Francksen in the Index to Land Orders 1861-1874 for example. I have managed to find some entries for families of interest to me - eg the Drews family as shown below. Albert indicates that every son aged 16 or over could get a land grant. In the case of the Drews, daughter Ernestine and sons Ferdinand (aged 8) and Franz (aged 6) were included. SURNAME/Company Name GIVEN NAMES Page Land Order No. Year Item ID Prev Sys M/film No. DREWS August 1120 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Carl 1121 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Ernestine 1121 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Ferdinand 1122 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Franz 1122 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Frederich 1119 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Wilhelm 1120 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 DREWS Wilhelmine 1119 1863 18764 IMM/247 Z1570 In the case of the Vohland family all four children were under 10 but only the youngest who was 3 is not listed in the index. The registers do not seem to include ages of individuals, so anyone capable of signing their name on appropriate documents may have been able to obtain a block of land. Any payment that was needed was obviously made by the father. The following extract from an article about the founding of the Bethania settlement in Qld (http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/bethan.htm )describes the reasons for migration from Brandenburg in the 1860's "The community at Bethania was founded by twenty-two families namely Tesch, Berndt (2x), Schneider, Ebert, Holzheimer, Lindow, Kuter, Rehfeldt, Sichter, Lindow, Kuter, Rehfeldt, Sichter, Hein, Fels, Schafer, Lotz, Bobbermein, Kasper, Losbegeiger, Fien, Kroning, Kleinschmidt, Goll and Sommer. These folk were motivated principally by economic reasons. During the second quarter of the nineteenth century, Brandenburg in particular was full of social, political and religious tensions brought about by a population explosion, the beginnings of industrialization, the emergence of new political ideas and the union of the Protestant churches into the State Church of Prussia. The effects of over-population were disastrous. Second sons of farmers found only poorly paid occupations or no work at all, and so the social descent began. Emigration was the only alternative to shifting to the larger towns. Christian Berndt (later Pastor Berndt) was one of those who had contemplated emigration, although the destination of his choice had been America. A number of families from his village had already to that country. He was wont to say, "Our father had a large farm. We can only afford to buy a small farm and our children be forced to become simple labourers. There is much land to be had in America and there our children can become property owners. "However at about that time the Queensland Government, through its agents, made it known in Germany that if folks emigrated to the colony, they would be given a free passage and then each family would receive a piece of land. The prospect of having their own soil under the plough was something that energetic men and their wives could not resist. Of the original twenty-two founding families, seventeen were from the Angermunde district of the Uckermark in Brandenburg and belonged to the Preussische Freikirche (Prussian Freechurch). They were commonly called "Old Lutherans" because of their insistence on the old form of Lutheran worship. The merger by Royal Proclamation of the Calvinist and Lutheran churches into the State Church of Prussia had caused a great deal of anguish among conservative village and country dwellers. The "Old Lutherans" rejected this Union outright and, as a result, were subjected to discrimination and sometimes persecution for what was regarded as civil disobedience." John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. 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Albert In both my BRAUN and BRUCE families who arrived 1863 and 1864, children received orders but I can't work out a pattern. In one family those under 10 didn't in the second only those under 5 didn't but I assume there was some sort of formula. Who owned St Helens when the Drews were there? My mother spent a great part of her childhood there [though somewhat later :) ] Her father was manager for A. T . Creswick c 1920s Judy > Interesting. > I was unaware of girls getting land orders and of children also getting > them. > I wonder where the order was for. I thought for some reason that the > Drewes > went to St Helens Station on work contract for five years before returning > to Middle Ridge. > John seems to suggest that maybe they had a land order on arrival. > Albert Grulke >

Judy, I do not know who had it. I am not 100% sure the Drewes went there. I know that Johann Von Pien had it or part of it in the 1940s. Albert -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 8:30 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] land orders Albert In both my BRAUN and BRUCE families who arrived 1863 and 1864, children received orders but I can't work out a pattern. In one family those under 10 didn't in the second only those under 5 didn't but I assume there was some sort of formula. Who owned St Helens when the Drews were there? My mother spent a great part of her childhood there [though somewhat later :) ] Her father was manager for A. T . Creswick c 1920s Judy