On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann

Hi John, Here is an interesting parallel for you re the deaths on the Ceasar Godeffroy. I am researching Gottfried Muller, wife Caroline and their daughter Maria. Maria was also missing in all Australian records post 1862 and we located her (as Mary Ann Miller) and her descendants only a few months ago. Something happened somewhere after the arrival and she was orphaned with comments of "being born at sea or parents died at sea" (I cant recall without going through my files). I suspect that she was abandoned as Caroline later in life abandoned 7 other children once their father died....I cant presume that she was a horrible mother but it certainly looks like it or there were some other, still unknown factors at play. Coincidentally Mary Ann (Marie Muller) married a Christian Frederick Schroeder....Im not assuming it's the same Christian you think died at see but if my Maria from the same vessel can disappear and turn up adopted to another family then maybe your Christian had the same fate. Martyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John raises an interesting point. I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were diverted in England. I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. Albert grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi One reason could have been the worsening political situation in South Africa and detoriorating relationship with Britain. This eventually led to the Boer War in the 1890s Regards Chris ________________________________ From: albert grulke <agrulke7@bigpond.com> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 19 June, 2010 11:59:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow John raises an interesting point. I have it somewhere here that some Germans applied to migrate to South Africa in the 19th century but were migrated to Queensland instead. I also have information about them applying to migrate to America but were diverted in England. I do know that Carl Mutze and his eloping wife applied to go to America and were in England on the ship when it was diverted to Moreton bay. I have in the back of my mind that either Fred Volker or Fred Kummerow applied to go to South Africa and finished up in Brisbane. I wonder did they divert ships if so when and why. Albert grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow On the basis of the Brandenburg emigration records it appears that these families came from Damerow, Kreis Prenzlau rather than Damerow, Parchim. The something (Richard) Pegg referred to by Albert was apparently 150km out in his visit. The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. I have no information about the change of destination from Afrika to Australia but suspect that the activities of the Heussler and Francksen agency could have been an influencing factor. John Heinemann Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, You are probably right about Christian Arndt perhaps having died on the voyage. Normally the death should have been registered in Queensland, but a search of the CD for 1861 and 1862 show no marine deaths recorded for any German names. It appears the deaths on the Cesar Godeffroy 1861 weren't registered for whatever reason. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Heinemann Sent: Friday, 18 June 2010 5:17 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Volker, Arndt, Muller and location of Dammerow The Brandenburg records reveal and Arndt son (Christian Friedrich Wuilhelm). As he appears in no Qld records subsequent to 1862, I assume that he was one of the 6 children who died on that voyage of the Caesar Godeffroy. John Heinemann