Hi Lois, We have found one families emigration record that is similar but not quite the same. The Harch Family who married in Schmölln Brandenburg in 1882 arrived in Australia on the ship "Quetta". However on the Ancestry website Hamburg Passenger Lists 1850-1934 has the family as travelling from Hamburg to North America via London. It is interesting that a sibling of this Friedrich Harch then travelled to Australia on the "Merkara" in 1884, the same ship as the Schafer and Arndt's. http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1068 (unfortunately we don't think this site is free) The actual information is 1883: Hamburg Passenger List Name: Friedrich Harch Departure Date: 4 Apr 1883 Destination: New York Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Age Year: 26 Gender: männlich (Male) Family: Household members Residence: Schmölln, Preußen Occupation: Arbeiter Ship Name: Jessica Captain: Linicke Shipping Line: A. Kirsten, Hamburg Ship Type: Dampfschiff Accommodation: ohne Angabe Ship Flag: Deutschland Port of Departure: Hamburg Port of Arrival: London (Nordamerika via London) So this shows that people may have applied to emigrate and start out for one place and end up travelling to a different place altogether. We may never know the reason why. We will take note of other examples we find in the future. Regards Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project From: "lois" <nore7mac@optusnet.com.au> To: "ausqldgers" <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Date sent: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:26:32 +1000 Subject: [SEQ-Germans] ZILLMANN SCHAEFER ARNDT BRANDENBURG EMIGRATION Send reply to: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] I have been reading comments about emigration with interest and for the first time checked out some of my ancestors on the Brandenburg Emigration Index. My grandmother's parents, C.F.W. ZILLLMAN (b. 1847) and Auguste Wilhelmine SCHAEFER (b. 1845) arrived in Queensland 16/07/1870 on the "Humboldt." Auguste's sister Marie Wilhelmine Ernestine Schaefer (b. 1859) m. August ARNDT arrived on 18/11/1884 on the "Merkara." The Schaefer parents, JOHANN JULIUS SCHAEFER (b. 1818) and Charlotte SCHMIDT (b. 1821 Schmoelln) came with them, Charlotte dying just four months after her arrival, and Johann Julius in 1907. There were details of all these emigrations in the Brandenburg register, but quite surprisingly, the whole Schaefer family - parents, these two daughters, plus two sons, are shown as going to, or applying to go to, Africa in 1858, and then Russia in 1862. It seems unlikely that they would actually have gone, and then returned to their place of origin (Eikstedt). Thus it m! ust have been easier to get permission to go than to actually go. It does sound as though people in general were desperate to get away. Has anyone else found ancestors applying to go to different countries at different times like this? Lois Cameron. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I was pursuing the story of German migration to NSW I found that often the ship left Hamburg and had to stop in England for various reasons associated with their migration papers and the ship getting as clearance to sail to the colonies. Apparently the ships going to America also had to stop in London or Plymouth . It seems to me that due to wars in America and political issues relating to the USA and Britain some ships were actually diverted in England and sent to Australia. It seems also that in some instances papers did not allow migration to America. For example sometimes only married couples could migrate. In the NSW story we have a number of couples who left the Rhine as singles but married in London to allow migration. I do know that Peter Mutze and his lady friend eloped from Dresden because her parents disapproved of him. They somehow got to England on a ship bound for America. The civil war was raging in the USA and the English authorities would not allow the migrant ship to sail while hostilities lasted. The ship was diverted to Merton Bay. I amok still trying to make sens opt a lot of this but that seems to be one explanation. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noel & Del Bergman Sent: Sunday, 20 June 2010 5:12 PM To: lois; AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] ZILLMANN SCHAEFER ARNDT BRANDENBURG EMIGRATION Hi Lois, We have found one families emigration record that is similar but not quite the same. The Harch Family who married in Schmölln Brandenburg in 1882 arrived in Australia on the ship "Quetta". However on the Ancestry website Hamburg Passenger Lists 1850-1934 has the family as travelling from Hamburg to North America via London. It is interesting that a sibling of this Friedrich Harch then travelled to Australia on the "Merkara" in 1884, the same ship as the Schafer and Arndt's. http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1068 (unfortunately we don't think this site is free) The actual information is 1883: Hamburg Passenger List Name: Friedrich Harch Departure Date: 4 Apr 1883 Destination: New York Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Age Year: 26 Gender: männlich (Male) Family: Household members Residence: Schmölln, Preußen Occupation: Arbeiter Ship Name: Jessica Captain: Linicke Shipping Line: A. Kirsten, Hamburg Ship Type: Dampfschiff Accommodation: ohne Angabe Ship Flag: Deutschland Port of Departure: Hamburg Port of Arrival: London (Nordamerika via London) So this shows that people may have applied to emigrate and start out for one place and end up travelling to a different place altogether. We may never know the reason why. We will take note of other examples we find in the future. Regards Noel & Del Bergman 1865 Susanne Godeffroy Project From: "lois" <nore7mac@optusnet.com.au> To: "ausqldgers" <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Date sent: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:26:32 +1000 Subject: [SEQ-Germans] ZILLMANN SCHAEFER ARNDT BRANDENBURG EMIGRATION Send reply to: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] I have been reading comments about emigration with interest and for the first time checked out some of my ancestors on the Brandenburg Emigration Index. My grandmother's parents, C.F.W. ZILLLMAN (b. 1847) and Auguste Wilhelmine SCHAEFER (b. 1845) arrived in Queensland 16/07/1870 on the "Humboldt." Auguste's sister Marie Wilhelmine Ernestine Schaefer (b. 1859) m. August ARNDT arrived on 18/11/1884 on the "Merkara." The Schaefer parents, JOHANN JULIUS SCHAEFER (b. 1818) and Charlotte SCHMIDT (b. 1821 Schmoelln) came with them, Charlotte dying just four months after her arrival, and Johann Julius in 1907. There were details of all these emigrations in the Brandenburg register, but quite surprisingly, the whole Schaefer family - parents, these two daughters, plus two sons, are shown as going to, or applying to go to, Africa in 1858, and then Russia in 1862. It seems unlikely that they would actually have gone, and then returned to their place of origin (Eikstedt). Thus it m! ust have been easier to get permission to go than to actually go. It does sound as though people in general were desperate to get away. Has anyone else found ancestors applying to go to different countries at different times like this? Lois Cameron. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message