Hi You are right- Johanne Wilhelmina Louise Willmann married Friedrich Wilhelm Jackwitz. Christian's obituary in the Toowoomba Chronicle and Darling Downs Gazette on the 21 Mar 1931 mentions that this Christian Friedrich remarried to a Johanne Willmann ( he was firstly married to Berthe Auguste Helene Muller with whom he had his children), so I thought the one that married the Jackwitz could be the one. However, I had not verified- sorry I really shouldn't have posted it. I have done little work on the BEUTELS for years and have been focusing on the Kapernick family. However, if that one was buried as Jackwitz- which it seems she was- it seems I was incorrect. My guess is that you are correct. That he married the widow Friedrich WILLMAN and that the death registration 1934/C1718 Mary Elizabeth Hannah Beutel - Parents = Fredrick Ruthenberg Christine Burow is actually as her. Even though I had the daughter married to Christian, I did have her parents, and I do have her mum as the daughter of Johann Friedrich Ruthenberg and Christine BUROW. From the Ruthenberg side the tree would go: 1. Christian F. Ruthenberg b. 1790 d. 16 Oct 1862 Trampe, Pomerania, Prussia m. 8 Jan 1915 Prussia Louisa Sophia DOCHORN b. 21 Jun 1793 Trampe, Pomerania, Prussia d. 16 Jan 1848 Trampe, Pomerania, Prussia      2. Anna Christiane Ernestine RUTHENBERG b. Abt 1817 Qld      m. 1850 Trampe, Pomerania, Prussia Carl Friedrich Wilhelm SCHILLING b. 1830 Trampe,       Pomerania, Prussia d.      2. Johann Friedrich RUTHENBERG b. Abt 1820 m. Christine BUROW           3. Johanne Marie Elizabeth RUTHENBERG b. Abt 1858           m. 2 Apr 1883 Eldersheim, Yatala, Queensland Friedrich Wilhelm August WILLMANN b. 9 July           1858 Bagemuehl, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 13 Nov 1908 Ipswich, Qld Buried: Bethel Lutheran            Cemetery, Lowood, Qld           Father: Friedrich Wilhelm WILLMANN           Mother: Wilhelmine BUROW                4. Johanne Martha Elizabeth WILLMANN b. 11 Mar 1884                m. Friedrich Wilhelm JACKWITZ b. Abt 1884  Qld                4. Friedrich August Wilhelm WILLMANN b. 6 Jan 1887 Qld d. 13 Jun 1966 Qld, Buried:                 Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Lowood, Qld                m. Abt 1910 Qld Anna "Augusta" Louisa KOHLER b. 14 Feb 1893 Qld                Father:  Johann KOHLER                Mother: Maria VORPAGEL                4. Anna A. L WILLMANN b. 1893 Qld d. 21 Nov 1981 Qld Buried: Trinity Lutheran                Cemetery, Lowood, Queensland, Australia                4. Lillian May WILLMANN b. Abt 1895 Qld d. Abt 1895 Buried: Trinity Lutheran Cemetery,                Lowood, Queensland, Australia           m.2 1918 Qld Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 11 Sept 1864 Schmoelln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg,           Prussia d. 9 Mar 1931 Toowoomba, Qld Buried: 10 Mar 1931 Helidon, Qld           Father: Christian Friedrich BEUTEL           Mother: Wilhelmine ROHUE I think the age difference would not have mattered and it is only six years. That is not much- the difference between my grandfather and grandmother is 21 years. She 28 he 49. I think we actually have it straight now! Thank you Charmaine for pointing that out Regards Chris                      ________________________________ From: Charmaine Researcher <charmaine_researcher@yahoo.com.au> To: chris_schmidt@y7mail.com Sent: Sun, 6 March, 2011 8:54:39 PM Subject: Subject: [SEQ-Germans] BACHMANN Family and its connection with BEUTEL andKAPERNICK Hi Chris, Your message to the list said :-     2. Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 11 Sept 1864 Schmoelln, Brandenburg, Pussia d. 9 Mar 1931     Toowoomba, Qld Buried: 10 Mar 1931 Helidon, Qld     m. 1. Berthe Auguste Helene MULLER b. 24 Feb 1865 d. 21 Mar 1917 Dalby Hospital, Dalby, Qld     m. 2 Johanne Martha Elizabeth WILLMANN b. 11 Mar 1884     Father: Friedrich Wilhelm August WILLMANN     Mother: Johanne Marie Elizabeth RUTHENBERG My question is about the 2nd wife of C F Beutel -  Johanne Martha Elizabeth WILLMANN b. 11 Mar 1884 I actually had this lady born that date etc married {1908} to a F. W. Jackwitz and dying in 1948. {{ JACKWITZ, Martha Johanna, died 14.3.1948 (1948/000536), daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm August WILLMAN & Johanna Maria Elizabeth RUTHENBERG}} 1918/C2750 Beutel Christian Frederick  married Willmann Johanna Mary Elizabeth then in 1934 there is this death :- 1934/C1718 Mary Elizabeth Hannah Beutel - Parents = Fredrick Ruthenberg Christine Burow I'm wondering if he actually married the mother of {Johanne Martha Elizabeth WILLMANN b. 11 Mar 1884} as Johanne Marie Elizabeth nee RUTHENBERG who married WILLMANN would have been a widow in 1919 and although she would have been a few years older than C F Beutel that didn't seem to matter too much those days as most were looking for a housekeeper. {my opinion only} Your thoughts would be appreciated. How are the books coming along. Have I missed any emails for prices etc. ???? I've been really busy with family over the past few months but miss my 'family history'. Warm Regards, Charmaine.