Hi everyone, Seeking knowledge from wiser heads than mind. With regard to the following newspaper article: Toowoomba Chronicle and Queensland Advertiser, Quuensland State Library. "The Rev. Mr. Angar's Case- On Tuesday 17th instant, Mr. Groom moved, in his place in the Assembly, for copies of all correspondence between the Hon. the Colonial Secretary, the Registrar General, and the Rev. Schiermeister, relative to the case of the Rev. Angar, the German Lutheran Missionary stationed at Toowoomba. In bringing this motion forward, Mr Groom stated that with the permission of the House he would amend it to say instead of correspondence, "copies of all memorials and replies recieved in reference thereto." He brought the matter under the notice of the House for he believed a great injustice had been done to Mr. Angar in consequence of some representations that had been made to the Government. Mr. Angar had come out from Hamburg to take charge of the German Lutheran congregation at Toowomba. He was agentleman quite unacquainted with the English forms and ceremonies, and it seemed that upon the death of a German who resided in Toowoomba, Mr. Angar had, not knowing what the practice was in cases of this kind, filled up certain forms, and amongst them the doctor's certificate, which he had inadvertently signed with the name of Dr. Saxby. Some representations had been made to the Government by interested persons, and Mr. Angar was removed from his post. The object of his (Mr. Groom's) asking for the correspondence was that Mr. Angar might be reinstated. The Germans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as the head of their church at Toowoomba, and had subscribed a good deal of money for the purpose of building a church for Mr. Angar. The Colonial Secretary briefly replied that if the congregation of German Lutherans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as their spiritual head, Government would have no objection to reinstating Mr. Angar in his former post. He then laid the correspondence asked for upon the table, and moved that it be printed. The question was then put and passed.- Gaurdian's Report." Thursday, May 26, 1864. Since this matter was brought up in the House is it likely that the State Archives would hold documents relating to the case? What should I ask for? Can anyone shed further light on this period of time in Toowoomba for Lutherans. What I have read seems to indicate that there was factionalism within the church at the time, as there has been frequently since, and that Carl Anger may have been caught up in it and lost his ministry as a result. One item I read seems to suggest that he man was of dubious character, but does not support the stance with fact. Anyway somewhere along the line Carl Anger ceased being a pastor and became a farmer. I'd really like to find out why. Any help appreciated Janice N' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Pastor Carl Anger was sent to Queensland in 1863 by the Gossner Mission Society. It appears that he may not have came as a pastor but a layman to work among German migrants in Queensland. In the early days it was common practice it seems that the government assisted a number of theological trained men form Germany to come to the stat to provide pastoral care to the migrants. In 1863 Pastor Schirmeister ordained him at St Paul's Lutheran c Church in Toowoomba and then installed him as the pastor. There was soon a conflict and we now know what that as. Pastor Anger was sacked from his parish and together with a number of parishioners formed the Independent German Church in Perth St. Pastor Anger was pastor of this church from 1964 to 1972. He then disappears off the scan and that may be when he bought the farm mentioned. The Perth street congregation closed or re-united with the St Paul's group in the 1970s and the church building was I believe relocated to Wilsonton. In 1897 Anger was ministering to Germans around Crows Nest and Haden. He was removed from the state register of ministers of religion but I do not know when. It odes seem that maybe he was functioning as a minister of religion for some years without authority. Albert Grulke in cloudy old Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Janice Nightingale [mailto:nightingalejanice@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2001 12:47 To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Early Lutheran Church- Toowoomba Hi everyone, Seeking knowledge from wiser heads than mind. With regard to the following newspaper article: Toowoomba Chronicle and Queensland Advertiser, Quuensland State Library. "The Rev. Mr. Angar's Case- On Tuesday 17th instant, Mr. Groom moved, in his place in the Assembly, for copies of all correspondence between the Hon. the Colonial Secretary, the Registrar General, and the Rev. Schiermeister, relative to the case of the Rev. Angar, the German Lutheran Missionary stationed at Toowoomba. In bringing this motion forward, Mr Groom stated that with the permission of the House he would amend it to say instead of correspondence, "copies of all memorials and replies recieved in reference thereto." He brought the matter under the notice of the House for he believed a great injustice had been done to Mr. Angar in consequence of some representations that had been made to the Government. Mr. Angar had come out from Hamburg to take charge of the German Lutheran congregation at Toowomba. He was agentleman quite unacquainted with the English forms and ceremonies, and it seemed that upon the death of a German who resided in Toowoomba, Mr. Angar had, not knowing what the practice was in cases of this kind, filled up certain forms, and amongst them the doctor's certificate, which he had inadvertently signed with the name of Dr. Saxby. Some representations had been made to the Government by interested persons, and Mr. Angar was removed from his post. The object of his (Mr. Groom's) asking for the correspondence was that Mr. Angar might be reinstated. The Germans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as the head of their church at Toowoomba, and had subscribed a good deal of money for the purpose of building a church for Mr. Angar. The Colonial Secretary briefly replied that if the congregation of German Lutherans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as their spiritual head, Government would have no objection to reinstating Mr. Angar in his former post. He then laid the correspondence asked for upon the table, and moved that it be printed. The question was then put and passed.- Gaurdian's Report." Thursday, May 26, 1864. Since this matter was brought up in the House is it likely that the State Archives would hold documents relating to the case? What should I ask for? Can anyone shed further light on this period of time in Toowoomba for Lutherans. What I have read seems to indicate that there was factionalism within the church at the time, as there has been frequently since, and that Carl Anger may have been caught up in it and lost his ministry as a result. One item I read seems to suggest that he man was of dubious character, but does not support the stance with fact. Anyway somewhere along the line Carl Anger ceased being a pastor and became a farmer. I'd really like to find out why. Any help appreciated Janice N' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237