Please find more details on this rather horrific death at: http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/appendix_3.html#obit ... and how Henry (Harry) WEDEMEYER fits into his family at: http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/chapter_8.html On 28/7/10, Janet wrote: >Found in the Maryborough Chronicle dated 30th December, 1890: > >Henry WEDEMEYER, of a well known Burnett family, aged 26, a married >carrier of Eidsvold, and a selector on Walla, was thrown from his >horse on Saturday evening and killed on the spot. He was buried on >Sunday. The funeral procession was a quarter of a mile long, and a >most distressing scene occurred at the grave. > Philip Strong -- **Philip Strong***Email:plstrong@pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

Found in the Maryborough Chronicle dated 30th December, 1890: Henry WEDEMEYER, of a well known Burnett family, aged 26, a married carrier of Eidsvold, and a selector on Walla, was thrown from his horse on Saturday evening and killed on the spot. He was buried on Sunday. The funeral procession was a quarter of a mile long, and a most distressing scene occurred at the grave. Janet

Here are some more names for Ipswich. Regards Jane DAVID RODGER, Engineer RICHARD SEYMOUR. Steam and Water Sawmills, North Ipswich S. SHILLITO & SON, Ipswich Foundry ROBERT TALLON, Alderman WILLIAM THORPE, Proprietor of the Golden Reef Hotel GEORGE WARE, Merchant and Colliery Proprietor F. W. WHITEHOUSE, Baker, Caterer, &c. JOHN SWAIN WILLEY, Tailor WORLEY AND WHITEHEAD, Builders and Contractors BENJAMIN WELSBY, Plumber

For Kay Clarke. THOMAS GRIFFITHS, Wheelwright and General Blacksmith, Down.street.-This business has been four years in existence and has already grown to be one of considerable importance. Commencing with the assistance of a single man Mr. Griffiths now gives employment to eight hands. He has introduced in his works steam power and a number of modern labour-saving appliances-the main branches of work done being wheelwrighting and the building of waggons, drays, and all the heavier classes of vehicles. In these departments our subject has no superior. The following are among the awards he has received for his exhibits c:- Two first class awards, Ipswich, 1884; bronze medal, Brisbane, 1885; two three first-class, Brisbane, 1886 one first-class, Ipswich, 1886; and two first-class and three second-class, Brisbane, 1887; besides a number of other awards. The business is a rapidly-growing one and promises to be in a short time one of the most important in the colony. Mr. Griffiths is a native o! f Wales and was born in 1856. He learned and worked at his trade in his native country until 1884, when he came out to Australia and landed in Brisbane. He immediately settled in Ipswich and a few months later started his present business, in which he has since been successful. Regards Jane

Regarding my email of yesterday I have made a list of people with German or Danish origins that were living in the pocket. Also included a few ships that I can recall without going back into the book again. The book will be reprinted before Christmas. Kay Gassan Pocket Residents interred in Maryborough Cemetery up to 1988. (By no means complete) Behrendorff, Wilhelm and Emilie; Brandt; Brede, Minnie and Matilda; Buckholz Mabel Vera; Cordie family; Dorweis Henry and Ida Johanna; Drager Family; Fuchs Adam, Katherine, Carl; Hausknecht; Heitmann; Harders; Hradecka Anna (not exactly German but someone might be looking for her); Jabs; Jung; Kerle; Kraatz, Flora; Kropp, Kruger William and Rosie; Lankowski, Frederick; Lobegeier, Loll. Herman, Milzewski ; Nagel; Prange; Reisener; Richter; Ruback; Schafer;Schops; Schroter; Schull; Schwarzrock; Sempf; Sonntag; Stumer, Christian Henry; Thurgar; Toll; Tryoff; Volmerhause; Wagner, Louise; Wegener, Julius, Wilhelm, Emilie, Emil and others; Wegner Johan Carl, Albert and Ernest; Zampich, August Adolph. There are also plenty with Scandinavian names such as Andersen, Andresen, Benstead, Pedersen, Rasmussen;Sorensen; Steffensen; Stephenson; and even J Christ. Other Germans families listed are : Anger; Sengstock, , Bächer; Bandholz; Bannah; Baruth, Godfried & Mrs; Bechly family; Behrendorff; Beutel; Bloechleger; Blohn and Voss; Boge; Bruchhauser; Bruggemann; Burchard; Buresch; Copas (Pastor); Corday/Cordie; Daum; Dobrow; Dorweis; Draeger; Dreger; Falk; Feidler; Fenner; Finke; Franke; Frehmann; Freudenberg; Freudenthal; Fuchs; Gassan; Gatgens; Geissler; Geising; Geritz; Gossner Missionaries; Habler; Hartwig’ Hsusknecht; Hebinger; Heitmann; Hinsch; Hoffman; Holtzman; Iszlaub; Jabs; Jordan; Jurss; Kahler; Krey; Kinbacher; Kinne; Klein; Klupp; Kramer; Kreidt; Kruger; Kunst; Kuskie formerly Kwaitkowski) Lankowski; Loll; Lollback; Luther; Malmbörg; Manski; Marquardt; Mwin; Mergard. Meyer Family; Meyers family; Müller; Mosenhauwe; Nagel; Nyenhauser; Oppermann; Ostenfeld; Polzin; Rabaa; Rahmann; Reisener; Reiske; Reisner;Roche; Rock; Rohde family; Ruback family; Rysen; SAchafer; Scheffer; Scheuber; Schloss; Schmidt, Peter; Schmut; Schöps Schröter; Schultz; Schwarzrock; Seiler; Shelbach; Sielke; Stümer; Thurecht; Tinnerman; Toll; Ullmann; Van Latham (Dutch); Vollmerhause; Von Hein; Von Hoff; Wagner; Wegener; Wegner; Weinholt; Weinholz; Weissmann; Wex; Wieland; Winterheld; Wolfgramm; Zampech; Ziegenhagen; Zoller. Then of course there are all the English, Scottish and Irish names. Some ships mentioned as having carried passengers are, Ariadne, David McIver, Montmorency, Tim Whiffler, Reichstag, Lammershagen, Susan Godefroy; Helene; Reichstag and others.

No McLean or Youngnickels in the book Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter & Anne Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 7:56 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Hi Kaye, do you have any Youngnickels on the list Anne -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PD & LE Strong Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 7:23 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Dear Kaye, Yes please, I am interested. I have a few WEDEMEYERs around Maryborough. Also, straying from the German theme, I have some McLEANs. Please let me know when your book comes out. Many thanks, Phil ________________________ At 2:07 PM +1000 24/7/10, Kay Gassan wrote: >Lorrae, >I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where >a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was >going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. >The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and >there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is >mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans >originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the >printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think >it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is >www.twowiseowls.colm.au > >Regards >Kay Gassan -- **Philip Strong***Email:plstrong@pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/ Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3028 - Release Date: 07/26/10 04:36:00 Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok Phil. Will put you on the list. I might have seen that name on one of the Council Rates things that I have at the end of the book. Will look it up when I get time. In the meantime posting some names taken from the Index and the Cemetery records but of course there are probably more that I missed when Indexing. Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PD & LE Strong Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 7:23 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Dear Kaye, Yes please, I am interested. I have a few WEDEMEYERs around Maryborough. Also, straying from the German theme, I have some McLEANs. Please let me know when your book comes out. Many thanks, Phil ________________________ At 2:07 PM +1000 24/7/10, Kay Gassan wrote: >Lorrae, >I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where >a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was >going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. >The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and >there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is >mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans >originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the >printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think >it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is >www.twowiseowls.colm.au > >Regards >Kay Gassan -- **Philip Strong***Email:plstrong@pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/ Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jane Not sure if its the same Thomas GRIFFITHS I'm interested in but would appreciate what snippets you have on him. Do know that he was around the Ipswich area. THOMAS GRIFFITHS, Wheelwright and General Blacksmith Many Thanks, Kay

Hi Kaye, do you have any Youngnickels on the list Anne -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PD & LE Strong Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 7:23 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Dear Kaye, Yes please, I am interested. I have a few WEDEMEYERs around Maryborough. Also, straying from the German theme, I have some McLEANs. Please let me know when your book comes out. Many thanks, Phil ________________________ At 2:07 PM +1000 24/7/10, Kay Gassan wrote: >Lorrae, >I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where >a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was >going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. >The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and >there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is >mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans >originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the >printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think >it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is >www.twowiseowls.colm.au > >Regards >Kay Gassan -- **Philip Strong***Email:plstrong@pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/ Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3028 - Release Date: 07/26/10 04:36:00

Dear Kaye, Yes please, I am interested. I have a few WEDEMEYERs around Maryborough. Also, straying from the German theme, I have some McLEANs. Please let me know when your book comes out. Many thanks, Phil ________________________ At 2:07 PM +1000 24/7/10, Kay Gassan wrote: >Lorrae, >I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where >a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was >going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. >The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and >there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is >mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans >originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the >printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think >it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is >www.twowiseowls.colm.au > >Regards >Kay Gassan -- **Philip Strong***Email:plstrong@pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia. http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

OOPS! -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorrae Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 11:05 PM To: 'Lorrae'; aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Another book - www.twowiseowls.com.au Hi Kay Typo in your web page!! .com.au no L I have many families arriving through Maryborough and your books are an immense help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Kay Gassan [mailto:wiseowl3@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 2:08 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Lorrae, I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is www.twowiseowls.colm.au Regards Kay Gassan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5308 (20100724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kay Typo in your web page!! .com.au no L I have many families arriving through Maryborough and your books are an immense help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Kay Gassan [mailto:wiseowl3@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 2:08 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Lorrae, I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is www.twowiseowls.colm.au Regards Kay Gassan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5308 (20100724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks Kay That would be very much appreciated. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Kay Gassan [mailto:wiseowl3@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 2:08 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Another book Lorrae, I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is www.twowiseowls.colm.au Regards Kay Gassan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5308 (20100724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Lorrae, I am re-editing a book I wrote 13 years ago about part of Maryborough, where a lot of people of German descent live or lived and thought while I was going through it that I could mention some names if anyone is interested. The name of the book is The Pocket. Its History, Folklore and People and there is a copy in the State Library and National Library. There is mentioned a lot of names of ships etc and places where these Germans originated, so when I get the book printed off ready to send to the printers, I will settle down to writing out some of the names if you think it a good idea. If anyone is interedted, my website is www.twowiseowls.colm.au Regards Kay Gassan

While compiling this book on the Queensland voyages of this ship I have found a few German names and there are German connections through marriages of people who arrived here in those years on the voyages of this ship. The 1870 voyage was to Maryborough but others were to Brisbane. The book will be launched in Maryborough 4th September. The 1869 passenger list I believe has not been published before now. A couple of names I have found in the 1870 voyage are: Otto Overbeck aged 31; Karl Harbeck; Kay Gassan

It is common in Scotland for women to keep their single name and even be buried under it. Kay Gassan -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lorrae Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 9:19 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Did German woman revert to maiden names after spousal deaths? Hi Martyn I had not heard that a widow would take back her maiden name. I understood that a divorced woman would, or even a woman who was deserted by her husband, but not a widow as the status was not as 'bad'. I also had a female relative who disliked her father and she changed her name to her mother's maiden name, as a method of denial, or was it to deny him as her father all together. Would be interested to know if widows did use their maiden name, WHY? Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Smith [mailto:Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au] Sent: Monday, 19 July 2010 1:38 PM To: 'aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com'; AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Did German woman revert to maiden names after spousaldeaths? Hi all, I have a German historical cultural question - If a husband of a German couple died in the 1860's would the wife be likely to still carry his surname or is it expected or commonly practised like in English society to revert to her maiden name? My ancestor, which I have previously blogged was Caroline Muller and she was born to a Carl Hoban and mother Caroline Blumery Muller (nee Blumreich). I am trying to ascertain why she would have carried her mothers maiden name (albeit spelt incorrectly). Can I assume that Caroline had given her daughter her maiden name because the father Carl had died.....?? Any thoughts very welcome Martyn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5291 (20100719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Martyn I had not heard that a widow would take back her maiden name. I understood that a divorced woman would, or even a woman who was deserted by her husband, but not a widow as the status was not as 'bad'. I also had a female relative who disliked her father and she changed her name to her mother's maiden name, as a method of denial, or was it to deny him as her father all together. Would be interested to know if widows did use their maiden name, WHY? Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Smith [mailto:Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au] Sent: Monday, 19 July 2010 1:38 PM To: 'aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com'; AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Did German woman revert to maiden names after spousaldeaths? Hi all, I have a German historical cultural question - If a husband of a German couple died in the 1860's would the wife be likely to still carry his surname or is it expected or commonly practised like in English society to revert to her maiden name? My ancestor, which I have previously blogged was Caroline Muller and she was born to a Carl Hoban and mother Caroline Blumery Muller (nee Blumreich). I am trying to ascertain why she would have carried her mothers maiden name (albeit spelt incorrectly). Can I assume that Caroline had given her daughter her maiden name because the father Carl had died.....?? Any thoughts very welcome Martyn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5291 (20100719) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Dear Listers If anyone has the microfiche for Queensland births 1915-1919 and marriages 1935-39, could I ask for a lookup for the surname "COLTHUP" please? Thanks and regards Jane

If I could add to Albert's email, I have found another problem in the 1800's in NSW, where children appeared to change parents. In our case, 2 of the girls were unmarried mothers, and the birth certificates showed the correct mother. It appears the grandparents must have raised the babies though, as by the time the grandparents died, the babies were listed on the death certificates as their children. I have yet to find out what happened to the mothers, as I've found no marriage certificates or death certificates, but then as Albert says, if the girls adopted a de facto name, that makes it harder. In an interesting twist, I found a mother and her unmarried daughter who gave birth within days of each other, the mother seems to have raised both children. That must have been an interesting house to live in for a while :-) Lisa Hannon Kareela, southern Sydney

I do not often find fault in what Chris says but I must this time. He is correct in that it has been common practice in past times for a child of a couple not married to adopt the surname of the mother. However in this age when so many couples fail to marry it has been my experience in church and in welfare work that the child carries the surname of the father if they are living in a de facto relationship or similar. In my case I have three sons who all married and two daughters would you believe who never married. The daughters children are in the father's surname. It is also very common now for women to retain their maiden name after marriage as well as in de facto relationships. I even find cases where the woman adopts his surname even thought they do not marry. It all adds to making my job difficult when we need marriage certificates and have to explain why they cannot be produced or do not agree with the real situation. "It used to be so easy before we made it all so simple." I owner did this happen in the apt more than we realise. I know that in my ancestors there air instances of the husband dying or disappearing and she reverted not to her maiden name but to the name of some earlier marriage or to the surname of the next bloke she amide or shacked up wish. It creates confusion when trying to sort out the children where in some cases we have three or four different surnames in one family. Albert grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Monday, 19 July 2010 5:53 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Did German woman revert to maiden names after spousal deaths? Hi Even in English society it is only comparitively recent practice to go back to using your maiden name after a spouse died or after you were divorced. My dad died in 1989 at 53 and my mum doesn't use her maiden name. The normal reason for a child having the maiden name of a parent is illegitimicy. Often, and it is still quite common practice today, if the parents aren't actually married at the time of birth then the child will bear the maiden mame of the mother. It may be that they were engaged or married only shortly after but definitely in such a situation it was common practice for the child to take the maiden name of the mother. Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Martyn Smith <Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au> To: "aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com" <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com>; "AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com" <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 1:37:45 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Did German woman revert to maiden names after spousal deaths? Hi all, I have a German historical cultural question - If a husband of a German couple died in the 1860's would the wife be likely to still carry his surname or is it expected or commonly practised like in English society to revert to her maiden name? My ancestor, which I have previously blogged was Caroline Muller and she was born to a Carl Hoban and mother Caroline Blumery Muller (nee Blumreich). I am trying to ascertain why she would have carried her mothers maiden name (albeit spelt incorrectly). Can I assume that Caroline had given her daughter her maiden name because the father Carl had died.....?? Any thoughts very welcome Martyn Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message