I have always just used the Professional Ancestry File Software which is supplied free by the LDS. I am not "into it" all the time, so do not see the need to buy one of the better software programs. What are people's views on the free software supplied by myheritage.com Thanks Kerry Muller Melbourne

To all who helped with the Muller lookups, I would like to thank you very much. Regards Kerry Muller Melbourne

Hi Jean Herman is my Great Grandfather as well. The "Waroonga" sailed from Hamburg on 26 June 1883 and then went to Portsmouth from where it sailed on 22 November, 1883 and arrived in Cooktown 8 January, 1884. Herman would have been conceived about September 1883, so this would have been either on board ship or during the stopover at Portsmouth. Pretty sure I read a newspaper article on Trove which indicated they were in Portsmouth for some time. I thought I saved it but cannot find at the moment. Herman was also known as Harry MILLER Kerry Muller -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob & Jean Harm Sent: Monday, 27 September 2010 5:53 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lookup Pleeeeaaaassse Lorrae. Thanks for your query. The death certificate was informed by her son Wm. H. Brown, Boonah. Fredericke was born in Bagemuhl Germany to Dorothea MOHNS as per my last email to the site, approx 4 years before her mother married Christian F. W. Muller. She came (obvious pregnant) on the ship "Waroonga" arriving 8 January 1884, to Queensland under the name MULLER, but on 13 June 1884 she gave birth at Minden to my husband's grandfather Hermann, under the name MOHNS. I have this birth certificate. 1884/C6252 Hermann Mohns Friederike Mohns This is taken from the Qld Historical Records site. However, Hermann was always known as MULLER. What a mixup!!!. Fredericke obviously changed her name to Muller for convenience at times, but I cannot find where it was legally changed.. Perhaps she never told her children of the facts. I am only going on what information I have obtained by Qld certificates over the years, and direct information from Germany. I did make a mistake in my email to Kerry Wall, Fredericke was my husbands great-grandmother, not grandmother. Hope this sorts out the confusion. Jean Harm Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3159 - Release Date: 09/26/10 07:01:00

Lorrae. Forgot to add in my last email, that all this information was confirmed by my late mother-in-law, the daughter of Hermann MULLER and his first wife Wilhelmine STIBBE. Bob's mother said Herman never had a birth certificate because he was born on the ship, but I found it under MOHNS. This surprised everyone, so sometimes the truth can be tampered for sake of propriety. There was a long story about Fredericke becoming pregnant before they left Germany, but this was proved incorrect. Jean Harm

Lorrae. Thanks for your query. The death certificate was informed by her son Wm. H. Brown, Boonah. Fredericke was born in Bagemuhl Germany to Dorothea MOHNS as per my last email to the site, approx 4 years before her mother married Christian F. W. Muller. She came (obvious pregnant) on the ship "Waroonga" arriving 8 January 1884, to Queensland under the name MULLER, but on 13 June 1884 she gave birth at Minden to my husband's grandfather Hermann, under the name MOHNS. I have this birth certificate. 1884/C6252 Hermann Mohns Friederike Mohns This is taken from the Qld Historical Records site. However, Hermann was always known as MULLER. What a mixup!!!. Fredericke obviously changed her name to Muller for convenience at times, but I cannot find where it was legally changed.. Perhaps she never told her children of the facts. I am only going on what information I have obtained by Qld certificates over the years, and direct information from Germany. I did make a mistake in my email to Kerry Wall, Fredericke was my husbands great-grandmother, not grandmother. Hope this sorts out the confusion. Jean Harm

Hi Jean I checked the Deaths on the Qld BDM on-line, https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m and located this entry - 1947/B10237 Friederike Brown Christian Muller Louisa Mohns Therefore, whoever registered her death did not know that Christian MULLER was not her father, but merely her mother's husband. They also reported that her mother was Louisa MOHNS, so if you have the certificates, was it completed by one of her children, or another person? The death certificate is the most unreliable certificate as it is not checked against birth or marriage details and the informant can unknowingly add anything they like....but it can give you some good leads. This site is free unlike Ancestry.com. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Bob & Jean Harm [mailto:harmrj@spiderweb.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2010 12:52 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lookup Pleeeeaaaassse Kerry. Sorry to disagree with Ancestry, but your information on Friederike Brown's father (Christian Muller Brown) is incorrect. She was born to her mother, Dorothea MOHNS on 21 April 1856 in Bagemuhl, Germany. NO FATHER. Dorothea MOHNS then married Christian Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER on 10 April 1860 in Bagemuhl. Friedricke married James Roger BROWN, so her father's name could not have been BROWN. I have certificates to prove most of my information (except the German records). Thanks anyhow for your trouble. I am sure Kerry Muller will appreciate it. Regards, Jean Harm (husband's grandmother was Friederike MOHNS, before she married BROWN). __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5479 (20100925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I would agree about the Ancestry indexes. Not all are correct. They seem to have extra names added, but no less are a help as they are Australia wide and I have found some missing persons that i had been looking for for quite a while...particularly in Victoria and Tasmania. Most Surnames must have been listed somewhere on certificates as most deaths show surnames that have a bearing to the deceased. Kerry -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob & Jean Harm" <harmrj@spiderweb.com.au>. Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:52 PM To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lookup Pleeeeaaaassse > Kerry. > Sorry to disagree with Ancestry, but your information on Friederike > Brown's > father (Christian Muller Brown) is incorrect. She was born to her mother, > Dorothea MOHNS on 21 April 1856 in Bagemuhl, Germany. NO FATHER. > Dorothea MOHNS then married Christian Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER on 10 April > 1860 in Bagemuhl. > Friedricke married James Roger BROWN, so her father's name could not have > been BROWN. > I have certificates to prove most of my information (except the German > records). > Thanks anyhow for your trouble. I am sure Kerry Muller will appreciate > it. > Regards, > Jean Harm (husband's grandmother was Friederike MOHNS, before she married > BROWN). > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kerry. Sorry to disagree with Ancestry, but your information on Friederike Brown's father (Christian Muller Brown) is incorrect. She was born to her mother, Dorothea MOHNS on 21 April 1856 in Bagemuhl, Germany. NO FATHER. Dorothea MOHNS then married Christian Friedrich Wilhelm MULLER on 10 April 1860 in Bagemuhl. Friedricke married James Roger BROWN, so her father's name could not have been BROWN. I have certificates to prove most of my information (except the German records). Thanks anyhow for your trouble. I am sure Kerry Muller will appreciate it. Regards, Jean Harm (husband's grandmother was Friederike MOHNS, before she married BROWN).

Name: Friederike Brown Death Date: 2 Feb 1947 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: Christian Muller Brown Mother's Name: Louisa Mohns Registration Year: 1947 Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: B010237 Name: James Rodger Brown Age: 81 Death Date: abt 1946 Burial Date: 11 Nov 1946 Cemetery: Southport General Section: M03 Cemetery Location: Southport, Queensland Grave Location: Grave 396 Compiled By: Gold Coast Family History Society Remarks: In Loving Memory of our dear Dad James Rodger BROWN called home 10th Nov 1946/ also our dear mother Frederike BROWN called home 2nd Feb 1947 Forever with the Lord/ also their daughter Louise passed away 6th June 1973 Name: James Rodger Brown Death Date: 10 Nov 1946 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: David Brown Mother's Name: Mary Rodger Registration Year: 1946 Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: B009222 Name: Dorothea Muller Death Date: 4 Sep 1905 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: Christian Mons Mother's Name: Seibert Registration Year: 1905 Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: 001592 These are from Ancestry's new Birth, Death and Marriage Indexes. Regards, Kerry --------------------------------------------------

Kerry. I have done all the Christian F. W. Muller and Dorothea (nee Mohns) family history - what exactly do you want to know? Regards Jean Harm

Hi Kerry Here is one. The others need a lookup on the microfiche, which I don't have. Surname: Muller Given Names: Dorothea Event: D Father/Spouse Surname: Christian Mons Mother/Spouse Given Names: Seibert Date: 1905-09-04 Reference: 1905/ 001592 Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Muller Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2010 9:04 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lookup Pleeeeaaaassse Hi All Would SKS who has access be able to do a couple lookups for me. Death of Friederike BROWN (Mohns/Muller) 1947/B10237 Died Feb 2, 1947 Death of James Rodger BROWN 1946/B922 Died 1946 Death of Dorothea MULLER 1905/C1592 Died Sep 3, 1905 Many thanks in advance Kerry Muller Melbourne

Hi All Would SKS who has access be able to do a couple lookups for me. Death of Friederike BROWN (Mohns/Muller) 1947/B10237 Died Feb 2, 1947 Death of James Rodger BROWN 1946/B922 Died 1946 Death of Dorothea MULLER 1905/C1592 Died Sep 3, 1905 Many thanks in advance Kerry Muller Melbourne

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'Queensland Newsflash' - www.judywebster.gil.com.au/announce.html - has been expanded and updated this weekend. When I put the latest news there, I forgot to say that I have added more names to these pages within the past six weeks: Croydon Hospital admission registers - www.judywebster.gil.com.au/croydon2.html Identifying the father of an illegitimate child - www.judywebster.gil.com.au/illegit.html You are welcome to forward this email to anyone who may be interested. (I have sent it to AUS-QLD & AUS-NQ.) Judy ____________ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester Qld 4115, Australia. Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources). Facebook page: www.facebook.com/judy.webster.genealogy Twitter: http://twitter.com/JudyQld

I think the master's name was Junge. Warren Warren wrote: > Many of the shipping accounts were reported in newspapers. Most of you will > know about the national newspapers archives online at > [1]http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home > Following is an account of the La Rochelle's arrival 7 August 1863. Amongst > the passengers were my great grandfather, his sister and her husband. > The Courier (Brisbane, Qld.), Monday 10 August 1863, page 2 > LA ROCHELLE. > The ship La Rochelle, 527 tons, arrived in Brisbane on Friday, the 7th > instant, after a very excellent run of 8l days from Hamburg, she having > sailed from that place on the > l8th of May (??). She is under the command of Captain E. Jungo, who, we may > mention, was her master on her previous visit to this port. On this occasion > she brings 444 German immigrants > to our shores. They are under the medical charge of Dr. Geiger. On board > this vessel, as on board the Alster, there has been but little sickness > during the passage, with no contagious > or infectious disease. There were six deaths of infants, who died of > maladies incidental to child hood. Three of the deaths were from > convulsions, two from atrophy, or wasting away, with one from > consumption. There were no births. In the saloon there is only one passenger > -Mrs. Amelie Dietrich. La Rochelle brings 40 rams, of the celebrated > Negretti breed, consigned to Mr. Tam, > of South Brisbane, and 2500 fire-bricks as ballast. Mr. T. C. Heusslcr is > the Brisbane agent for both the Alster and La Rochelle. Dr. Hobbs, the > health officer, visited and inspected the above > vessels on Saturday last, and has found the passengers in a perfectly > healthy state, he passed the ships with clean bills of health. The > immigrants will therefore be brought up to town as > soon as arrangements can be made for their conveyance to Brisbane. > Mrs Dietrich was employed by the ships owners to gather samples of > Queensland flora and fauna to take back to a museum in Hamburg. > -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com

Many of the shipping accounts were reported in newspapers. Most of you will know about the national newspapers archives online at [1]http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Following is an account of the La Rochelle's arrival 7 August 1863. Amongst the passengers were my great grandfather, his sister and her husband. The Courier (Brisbane, Qld.), Monday 10 August 1863, page 2 LA ROCHELLE. The ship La Rochelle, 527 tons, arrived in Brisbane on Friday, the 7th instant, after a very excellent run of 8l days from Hamburg, she having sailed from that place on the l8th of May (??). She is under the command of Captain E. Jungo, who, we may mention, was her master on her previous visit to this port. On this occasion she brings 444 German immigrants to our shores. They are under the medical charge of Dr. Geiger. On board this vessel, as on board the Alster, there has been but little sickness during the passage, with no contagious or infectious disease. There were six deaths of infants, who died of maladies incidental to child hood. Three of the deaths were from convulsions, two from atrophy, or wasting away, with one from consumption. There were no births. In the saloon there is only one passenger -Mrs. Amelie Dietrich. La Rochelle brings 40 rams, of the celebrated Negretti breed, consigned to Mr. Tam, of South Brisbane, and 2500 fire-bricks as ballast. Mr. T. C. Heusslcr is the Brisbane agent for both the Alster and La Rochelle. Dr. Hobbs, the health officer, visited and inspected the above vessels on Saturday last, and has found the passengers in a perfectly healthy state, he passed the ships with clean bills of health. The immigrants will therefore be brought up to town as soon as arrangements can be made for their conveyance to Brisbane. Mrs Dietrich was employed by the ships owners to gather samples of Queensland flora and fauna to take back to a museum in Hamburg. Warren -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com References 1. http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

The Peru 1855 (Hamburg to Sydney) has now been added to the library of ships articles. ARTICLES ON GERMAN SHIPS Australians whose German ancestors arrived on one of the ships listed below may like to read the relevant article about the ship, its passengers and the resources for researching them. The articles by Jenny Paterson are published in the NSW family history journal 'Ances-tree'. Back copies of the journal are available for $5 each (including postage in Australia) from: The Secretary, Burwood & District Family History Group, c/o Burwood Library, 4 Marmaduke Street, Burwood NSW 2134.Overseas readers please contact the Secretary for prices on application. However, many family history societies in NSW and other states in Australia swap journals with Burwood, so they may be available in your local area. The title of this series of articles is: "German Immigrant Ships to Eastern Australia - Resources and Problems". It deals with the ships that brought government-assisted German families (vinedressers) to NSW from 1849 to 1856. Those published so far (July 2009) are: Part 1: Beulah 1849 (London to Sydney), in: 'Ances-tree' vol.16 no.1 Mar 2003. Part 2: Parland 1849 (London to Sydney), in: vol.16 no.2 Jul 2003. Part 3: Harmony 1849 and Balmoral 1850 (London to Sydney), in: vol.16 no.3 Nov 2003. Part 4: San Francisco 1852 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.17 no.1 Mar 2004. Part 5: Reiherstieg 1852 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.17 no.2 Jul 2004. Part 6: Peter Godeffroy 1852 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.17 no.3 Nov 2004. Part 7: Caesar Godeffroy 1852 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.18 no.1 Mar 2005. Part 8: Johann Caesar 1853 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.18 no.2 Jul 2005. Part 9: Helene 1853 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.18 no.3 Nov 2005. Part 10: Triton 1853 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.19 no.1 Mar 2006. Part 11: Undine 1855 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.20 no.1 Mar 2007. Part 12: Cateaux Wattel (Antwerp to Sydney), in: vol.20 no.3 Nov 2007. In relation to Part 13, see also: Dr Middendorf of the Caesar 1855 and his long letter home', in vol.21 no.3 Nov 2008. Part 13. Caesar 1855 (Hamburg to Twofold Bay and Sydney), in: vol. 22 no.1 Mar 2009. Part 14. Marbs 1855 (Hamburg to Moreton Bay), in: vol.22 no. 2 Jul 2009. Part 15. Aurora 1855 (Hamburg to Moreton Bay), in: vol.22 No.3 Nov 2009. Part 16. Commodore Perry 1855 (Liverpool to Sydney including the stragglers on Boomerang and Blanche Moore to Melbourne), in : vol. 23 No. 1 Mar 2010. Part 16. Peru 1855 (Hamburg to Sydney) in vol: 23 No. 2. Jul 2010. Further articles are planned. There were a further 2 ships involved with this government-assisted immigration: , Wilhelmsburg 1855 (Hamburg to Hobart and Sydney), Johann Caesar 1856 (Hamburg to Moreton Bay). Another series has been commenced: "German ships with no ship lists". So far there are two articles for these ships: By Jenny Paterson Part 1: Fanny Kirchner and Wilhelm Kirchner from Bremen to Sydney 1858, in: vol.19 no.2 Jul 2006. By Lisa Burton: Part 2: Solon from Bremen to Moreton Bay 1859, in vol.21 no.2 Jul 2008. Happy reading, Elizabeth

Thanks very much, Jennifer! Rgs Lisa > From: jcrockett@optusnet.com.au > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:23:35 +1000 > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Qld BDM Indexes - Lookup, please. > > Here he is: > > Surname: Ihle > Given Names: Phillip Charles > Event: Birth > Spouse Surname/Father: Carl > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizabeth Hais > Day: 30 > Month: 05 > Year: 1859 > Reference: 1859/ 001515 > Notes: > > > Regards, > > Jennifer

Here he is: Surname: Ihle Given Names: Phillip Charles Event: Birth Spouse Surname/Father: Carl Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizabeth Hais Day: 30 Month: 05 Year: 1859 Reference: 1859/ 001515 Notes: Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Burton Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:18 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Qld BDM Indexes - Lookup, please. Can SKS with the indexes on CD please provide an actual birth date i.e. day and month for the following: Phillip Carl IHLE Q. Ref. 1859/C1515 Thanks! Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q.

Can SKS with the indexes on CD please provide an actual birth date i.e. day and month for the following: Phillip Carl IHLE Q. Ref. 1859/C1515 Thanks! Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q.