Bev .. where would I look to see if he went back to Germany .. I thought you might have been through this part :) ?? Maree -----Original Message----- From: bedmonds Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:42 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage Maureen, Have you considered that he may have gone back to Germany. One of my family did. He died over there and the wife returned to Australia with the children. Bev Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bev ..I have looked for him on the Qld Immigration index .. but nothing other than his arrival .. there is however, a H. Zeller who went to Sydney (from Brisbane) .. he arrived there in Mar 1890 .. but nothing after that :( Maree -----Original Message----- From: bedmonds Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:42 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage Maureen, Have you considered that he may have gone back to Germany. One of my family did. He died over there and the wife returned to Australia with the children. Bev Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Maree, I notice there is a discrepancy in his age - on this CD they have his age as 38, but the Qld Immigration records show him as 28. Emigrants from Hamburg to Australasia 1850-1879 No: 45 Surname: ZELLE Given Names: Herm. Town: Magdeburg State: Preussen Standing: Schlosser Age: 38 Sex: m Destination: Moreton Bay Ship: Susanne Godeffroy Year: 1863 ID: 18366 Welhilmiena Elizabeth WEBBER died 14.9.1920 aged 75 years, buried with her son William ZELLER born 16.5.1879 died 8.4.1897 - killed by a fall from his horse (write-up The Queenslander dated Saturday, 17 April 1897) - M.I. Warwick Cemetery Cheers Janet

Hi all .. I am wondering if someone could help me please ? I have been hunting for the death of my GG grandfather from SEQ.. His name was Carl Franz Herman Zeller born about 1830 in Magdeburg Germany/Prussia. Arrival on the Susanne Goddefroy Jan 1864 (as Hermann ZELLE)... He married Wilhelmine Koenke (or Kohnke) ... 1869/C317 Zelle Herrmann Koenke Wilhelmina .. After that I have the children's births up to 1881... (ALL Zellers) Their son William Herman died in 1879.. and no more information on Carl (or Hermann) .. he died sometime between 1880 and 1898... As his wife Wilhelmine Zelle/r remarried in 1898 to Edwin WEBBER in Warwick.. and she was pronounced 'widow' .... I cannot find ANY information on Carl's death .. I am wondering if there might have been some information on Wilhelmine's marriage cert ? Or would she have had to 'prove' she was a widow ? Hope someone can help me .. this has been a very hard search. regards, Maree Larsen Hobart

Maureen, Have you considered that he may have gone back to Germany. One of my family did. He died over there and the wife returned to Australia with the children. Bev

How good is this service from the Qld State Archives. On the 29th November I enquiried about the "Wahroonga", wishing to obtain a copy of this Passenger List. A cheque was duely sent and yesterday the List arrived in the mail. Twenty years ago it took more than 6 weeks. Regards Bev

Thanks Lisa, They say all good things come to those who wait, but it doesn't hurt to nudge it along a little.. Jenny and Elizabeth know that I am hanging by the fingernails, waiting and hoping for an article on the Cesar Godeffroy... Thanks a lot Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Burton" <burtonlisa61@hotmail.com> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] "Diana" - German Immigrant Ship > > Thank you, Gay. > > I'm not sure the "Caesar Godeffroy" ex. Hamburg 1856 is one Jenny Paterson > has planned for the future, but I can say with certainty that I won't be > looking at the "Caesar Godeffroy". (My next ship will be the "Pauline" ex. > Bremen to Moreton Bay via Sydney 1856/57.) > >

Thank you, Gay. I'm not sure the "Caesar Godeffroy" ex. Hamburg 1856 is one Jenny Paterson has planned for the future, but I can say with certainty that I won't be looking at the "Caesar Godeffroy". (My next ship will be the "Pauline" ex. Bremen to Moreton Bay via Sydney 1856/57.) The series "German Immigrant Ships to Eastern Australia - Resources and Problems" deals with the ships that brought government-assisted German families (vinedressers) to NSW from 1849 to 1856, while the series "German ships with no ship lists" deals with those vessels departing Bremen which had self-funded or privately contracted immigrants aboard. The "Caesar Godeffroy", unfortunately, falls outside these parameters, Gay. Jenny does, however, intend to write an article re the "Johann Caesar" 1856 Hamburg to Moreton Bay. Rgs Lisa > From: gayze@tpg.com.au > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:46:02 +1000 > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] "Diana" - German Immigrant Ship > > Congratulations Lisa, > I am looking forward to the article on the 1855/56 voyage of the Cesar > Godeffroy whenever you or Jenny get around to it. > Cheers > Gay >

Congratulations Lisa, I am looking forward to the article on the 1855/56 voyage of the Cesar Godeffroy whenever you or Jenny get around to it. Cheers Gay

Dear List Members For those of you who have followed the progress of my research regarding the German immigrant ship "Diana" over the past couple of years and, in many instances, kindly assisted with my queries, please be advised that an article I have written re. this ship/her passengers appeared in the November issue of "Ances-tree"; the quarterly journal of the Burwood & District Family History Group. (The "Diana" sailed from Bremen in late November 1857 and arrived in Moreton Bay ie. present-day Brisbane in May 1858.) The article is 24 pages in length inc. endnotes, etc. and is part of a series: "German ships with no ship lists". To date there are two other articles in the series: By Jenny Paterson Part 1: "Fanny Kirchner" and "Wilhelm Kirchner" from Bremen to Sydney 1858, in: vol.19 no.2 Jul 2006. By Lisa Burton: Part 2: "Solon" from Bremen to Moreton Bay 1859, in vol.21 no.2 Jul 2008. Copies of the journals can be had for $5.00 each, inc. postage. Please make cheque payable to 'Burwood & District Family History Group' and post, along with covering letter, to: The Secretary Burwood & District Family History Group c/- Burwood Library 4 Marmaduke Street BURWOOD NSW 2134 (I apologize for the cross-postings.) Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q

Forwarding on a little piece of information, found on another list. Cheers Gay Looking ahead to next year's opening of the new PRONI headquarters, the Minister added: "I recently had the privilege to visit the stunning new PRONI headquarters at Titanic Quarter. This much needed £30million investment in our cultural infrastructure was provided by the Northern Ireland Executive. The new state-of-the-art facility will open to the public early next year and will protect Northern Ireland's irreplaceable archives in a safe and secure environment." The wills are online at http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm

Hi Judy I wish you well with your own research, and I thank you most kindly for all your support over the years. I look forward to seeing your own pages on your own domain. All the best Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Judy Webster [mailto:judyweb@gil.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 1:16 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] New location for free genealogy info/advice My thanks to the hundreds of people who voted in my on-line poll, sent feedback by letter or email, or spoke to me at the Expo, Roadshow and recent seminars. With your help I have made a decision about my future involvement in genealogy. One mailing list administrator has asked me to refrain from putting links to my Web site in my mailing list posts - so I am 'playing it safe' on this list too. If you would like the Web addresses for my main Web site and my other online tips/articles, you will need to email me privately, off-list. Signing off from this list, and wishing you all a happy Festive Season - Judy ____ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia. Grad.Dip. Local & Applied History (UNE) Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5674 (20101204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Beverley have you seen the original passenger list (the German version) when the ship left Hamburg? I looked up a couple of pages on this a year ago and not only are the family groups listed but also from where they originated in Germany. cheers Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-qld-se-germans-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 173 > > > SEQld German > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 (bedmonds) > 2. Re: Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 (Paul Crewe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:09:15 +1000 > From: "bedmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 > To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <899256A06D4F4495AAEDF3AF7FA8D755@beverlyf387673> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Dear List, > > Would anyone have the actual Shipping List for the Lammershagan 19 Feb > 1874. > I have seen the Immigration content at QSA but there are a few with the > same > name that I cannot tell who belongs to which family. > I am after a family break down on the SPERLING names please. That is, > which > children belong with which parents. > > Many thanks > Bev Edmonds > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:38:21 +1000 > From: "Paul Crewe" <paultc@tpg.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 > To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com>, <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > Message-ID: <4C11FB1BB69F4D52A46E2595DF88B063@PAULSEN> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Bev, > > This is the order they are listed in "The Voyages to Queensland of the > Lammershagen" (all "Free Passengers") - > > Frederic 33 > Mary 31 > William 6 > Auguste 3 > John 31 > Erline 29 > Frederic 4 > Caroline 1 > > > HTH, Paul > > _____ > > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bedmonds > Sent: Saturday, 4 December 2010 4:09 PM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 > > > > > Dear List, > > Would anyone have the actual Shipping List for the Lammershagan 19 Feb > 1874. > I have seen the Immigration content at QSA but there are a few with the > same > name that I cannot tell who belongs to which family. > I am after a family break down on the SPERLING names please. That is, > which > children belong with which parents. > > Many thanks > Bev Edmonds > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS list administrator, send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS mailing list, send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 173 > **************************************************

Hi Bev, This is the order they are listed in "The Voyages to Queensland of the Lammershagen" (all "Free Passengers") - Frederic 33 Mary 31 William 6 Auguste 3 John 31 Erline 29 Frederic 4 Caroline 1 HTH, Paul _____ From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bedmonds Sent: Saturday, 4 December 2010 4:09 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 Dear List, Would anyone have the actual Shipping List for the Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874. I have seen the Immigration content at QSA but there are a few with the same name that I cannot tell who belongs to which family. I am after a family break down on the SPERLING names please. That is, which children belong with which parents. Many thanks Bev Edmonds

Dear List, Would anyone have the actual Shipping List for the Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874. I have seen the Immigration content at QSA but there are a few with the same name that I cannot tell who belongs to which family. I am after a family break down on the SPERLING names please. That is, which children belong with which parents. Many thanks Bev Edmonds

My thanks to the hundreds of people who voted in my on-line poll, sent feedback by letter or email, or spoke to me at the Expo, Roadshow and recent seminars. With your help I have made a decision about my future involvement in genealogy. Since I first connected to the Internet in 1997, I have spent hundreds of hours every year helping other family historians (free). I enjoy helping, but now I need to change the way I do it. I want to spend more time with my family and friends, more time doing my own research, and more time learning about modern trends in genealogy. (If you heard my recent talks in Brisbane and Sydney you will know what I mean by 'modern trends'.) I also need to catch up on the backlog of research requests that accumulated while I was a carer for my father. This is what will happen: * My free email 'Updates Newsletter' will be discontinued in its current format (but an alternative will be offered to current subscribers, whom I will contact soon). * My 'Queensland Newsflash' Web page will be discontinued. * In addition to my own Web site, I will publish free research tips and longer 'advice articles' in several other places on the Internet. * I will continue to expand and update my Web site, which currently consists of over 100 pages. It has free information and advice on many topics related to genealogy, and over 51,000 names from my indexes to Archives sources, cemeteries, certificates, books, photographs etc. Thousands more names will be added in the future. Please note that I have begun moving my Web pages to a new site (my own domain name). * Instead of reading mailing lists and offering advice there, I will unsubscribe from lists and just use Google Alerts and Rootsweb's PML to find posts relevant to my own interests. One mailing list administrator has asked me to refrain from putting links to my Web site in my mailing list posts - so I am 'playing it safe' on this list too. If you would like the Web addresses for my main Web site and my other online tips/articles, you will need to email me privately, off-list. One mailing list administrator has asked me to refrain from putting links to my Web site in my mailing list posts - so I am 'playing it safe' on this list too. If you would like the Web addresses for my main Web site and my other online tips/articles, you will need to email me privately, off-list. Signing off from this list, and wishing you all a happy Festive Season - Judy ____ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia. Grad.Dip. Local & Applied History (UNE) Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources)

I note that Darryn Schneider is mentioned here. Could he please contact me off the link as he may be able to help me with a matter concerning my ancestors. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darryn Schneider Sent: Monday, 11 October 2010 2:47 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Bethania site I just did a google search on "Bethania Qld Australia" and in the result, after the URL, there is a cached link. If you click on this you get ggogle's cached version. Not the best solution, but..... Yours, Darryn Bethania, Queensland, Australia, German, Settlers, Gerneology, the list will be based primarily, but not exclusively, on the records of the Parish of Bethania and the churces of the Logan District in Queensland, ... home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/ - Cached - Similar On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Colin and Lenore Larter <cjlilarter@tadaust.org.au> wrote: > Previously I have used the Bethania Qld Australia site but currently when you go to use it they take you to some German company site. This site covers German early settlers connected who lived in the Beenleigh/Bethania areas. > > Could someone please advise how to use the site > Regards > > Colin -- Darryn Schneider http://au.linkedin.com/in/darryns http://kulgun.net/ Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another options that sort of works is the web archive http://www.archive.org/web/web.php http://web.archive.org/web/20070517233743/http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/index.htm tschus, Darryn On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:25 PM, James Crighton <jimcrighton40@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Colin  & other Listers, > Yep - I agree with you I just tried again using the cached without > luck...............i can get to one page but anywhere else and that Dutch > page comes up - bugger - does anybody know how to contact Russell > Greig?........James > > > >  [SEQ-Germans] Bethania site - early German settlers >> around Bethania in SE Qld >> >> >> > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Darryn Schneider http://au.linkedin.com/in/darryns http://kulgun.net/

Hi Colin & other Listers, Yep - I agree with you I just tried again using the cached without luck...............i can get to one page but anywhere else and that Dutch page comes up - bugger - does anybody know how to contact Russell Greig?........James [SEQ-Germans] Bethania site - early German settlers > around Bethania in SE Qld > > >

Belfort, Kreis Bütow, Pommern This village has probably met the fate of others like it under Soviet occupation. Villages in this region and the eastern Uckermark have been raised to make way for open cut coal mines. Kay Gassan To answer my own question, and for the sake of the archives of this list, I have found the place thanks to http://www.kartenmeister.com They listed two places of the name Belfort, and the one in Kreis Bütow is what I was looking for. Belfort, Kreis Bütow, Pommern 53.97, 17.58 There appears no habitation there now so there is no Polish equivalent name for the village. The region is now called Bytow, Pomorskie, Poland Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com