Hello Anne, The only reference I can find for the Vanguard is it arriving in Brisbane 2nd October 1866. I can look at the Immigration Film for you, but not before Monday. Can you send me the name of the people who were passengers on that ship ? Janet

Hello List, I am wondering if any one would know there if a shipping list was made for the The Vanguard please. The Vanguard left Plymouth 1866 and arriving in Brisbane February 1867. Thanking you Anne

Hi Bev, The I.D. numbers should enable you to sort out the family. Emigrants from Hamburg to Australasia 1850-1879 No: 34 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Auguste Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Tochter Age: 3 Sex: f Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30602 No: 38 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Caroline Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Tochter Age: 1 Sex: f Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30606 No: 36 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Erline Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Frau Age: 29 Sex: f Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30604 No: 31 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Frederic Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Landmann Age: 33 Sex: m Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30599 No: 37 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Frederic Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Sohn Age: 4 Sex: m Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30605 No: 35 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Johann Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Landmann Age: 31 Sex: m Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30603 No: 32 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Marie Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Frau Age: 31 Sex: f Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30600 No: 33 Surname: SPIRLING Given Names: Wilhelm Town: Mothalen State: W. Preussen Standing: Sohn Age: 6 Sex: m Destination: Queensland Ship: Lammershagen Year: 1873 ID: 30601 Janet

Wow .. thank you so much Lisa .. It had been mentioned to me ages ago that he MIGHT have been a miner .. but I didn't know for sure .. that is great you found the miner's licence .. maybe that's how he died ? (I presume it was underground mining) I did contact a gentlemen earlier this year to see if Carl Franz or Herman, as he was called, was a miner who had died while mining in southern Qld .. but he said he didn't have anyone by his name on his list ..:( .. so I am still in the dark about his death.. but at least that gives me something else to hunt for. thanks again Maree -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Burton Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:16 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage Maree The locality of Quart Pot Creek became present-day Stanthorpe, on the Queensland/New South Wales border. Tin, and more importantly, gold, was discovered in the area in 1872. Up until this 'Rush', Maryland was the significant township in the area, but Stanthorpe grew with the influx of miners and others establishing various businesses to service them. Your Hermann appears to have been among the many who 'tried their luck': Queensland Miner's Rights and Business Licences 1870 - 1884 (taken from "Queensland Government Gazette"): Surname: Zelle Given Name: H. Title: License Number: 1158 Type: Miner's Licence Gold Field: Stanthorpe Date: 12 September 1874 Page: 1774 Volume: XV Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q. > From: uniimog@internode.on.net > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:14:21 +1100 > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage > > Thanks to Judy and Janet for your help ... I will have to keep looking .. > you can see what I am up against :( > > Judy did you see if Wilhelmine was with him at Quart Pot Creek ? I wonder > what sort of an area it was. > > Maree > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, Do you still want the shipping list on Lammershagen ?. I have a CD which was done by Eric Koppitte I lent this to the Mackay Family History Library about 4 years ago. If you want me to look this info up I am going to Mackay tomorrow Thursday also I am going there next Wednesday so leave me know and I will see if I can get access to same. It was lent to Library on condition that if I wanted to borrow it back I could do so at any time. Gladys Horsnell Please reply ellenroseali1@ bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Shipping List The Lammershagan 19 Feb 1874 > > Dear List, > > Would anyone have the actual Shipping List for the Lammershagan 19 Feb > 1874. > I have seen the Immigration content at QSA but there are a few with the > same > name that I cannot tell who belongs to which family. > I am after a family break down on the SPERLING names please. That is, > which > children belong with which parents. > > Many thanks > Bev Edmonds > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, I have just found a Rbt (Robert?) MULLER on the same ship, same film/page number. He was 34 at time of the arrival. More mystery, as he would have been 11 years younger than (my guess) his wife Louise 45. I still cannot find anything constructive about the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bob and Jean Harm

I have a mystery about our MULLER family which arrived on the "Waroonga", 8 January 1884. Our family consisted of Christian 49 and wife Louise 47, Fredericke 27, Carl 21, Auguste 11 and August 8. Fredericke is Bob's great grandmother. On the same list with the same film/page numbers are Louise 45, Selina 6, Karl 4, Otto 2 and Benno 1. Obviously they were travelling together, but I can find no record of this second family, or who the father was, or even Louise's maiden name. Would anyone please be able to help solve this? Thanks. Bob and Jean Harm

Maree The locality of Quart Pot Creek became present-day Stanthorpe, on the Queensland/New South Wales border. Tin, and more importantly, gold, was discovered in the area in 1872. Up until this 'Rush', Maryland was the significant township in the area, but Stanthorpe grew with the influx of miners and others establishing various businesses to service them. Your Hermann appears to have been among the many who 'tried their luck': Queensland Miner's Rights and Business Licences 1870 - 1884 (taken from "Queensland Government Gazette"): Surname: Zelle Given Name: H. Title: License Number: 1158 Type: Miner's Licence Gold Field: Stanthorpe Date: 12 September 1874 Page: 1774 Volume: XV Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q. > From: uniimog@internode.on.net > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:14:21 +1100 > Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage > > Thanks to Judy and Janet for your help ... I will have to keep looking .. > you can see what I am up against :( > > Judy did you see if Wilhelmine was with him at Quart Pot Creek ? I wonder > what sort of an area it was. > > Maree >

Jennifer, Thank you very much for that. Will send an email to them now. Regards Marie

Marie, The book is called "They Chose Beenleigh". It was compiled by the Logan River & District Family History Society Inc. The email address given in the book is loganriverfhs@hotmail.com Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marie Simpson Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:52 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Book on Germans settlers in Beenleigh Hi List, Quite some time ago it was mentioned on the list of a book written on the german settlers in the Beenleigh area. I have been slowly going back through the mailing lists and so far haven't found it. Can anyone give me information please. Regards Marie

Hi List, Quite some time ago it was mentioned on the list of a book written on the german settlers in the Beenleigh area. I have been slowly going back through the mailing lists and so far haven't found it. Can anyone give me information please. Regards Marie

I didn't even know there was such a thing :) M -----Original Message----- From: bedmonds Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:36 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage Theres a Charles Zeller in the 1902 Cattle Brands Index. Might pay to try and look at earleir versions if they are available. Bev Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanks Bev :) -----Original Message----- From: bedmonds Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:29 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage Marie, That I do not know, we were lucky that we knew from family stories and letters etc. Maybe someone else will know. Regards Bev Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Judy and Janet for your help ... I will have to keep looking .. you can see what I am up against :( Judy did you see if Wilhelmine was with him at Quart Pot Creek ? I wonder what sort of an area it was. Maree -----Original Message----- From: Judy Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:48 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Webber and Zelle (Zeller) marriage Maree I see he is at Quart Pot Creek [Stanthorpe] on Electoral roll 1879 [Herman Zelle] I don't have a the next later index ..I can't see him in 1903. It would be worth checking the one in between to see when he disappeared. It would be well worth contacting the Toowoomba and Darling Downs family History Soc http://www.tddfhs.org/ to see if they have record of him. BTW you might find his death a great deal later :( Judy > Hi all .. I am wondering if someone could help me please ? > I have been hunting for the death of my GG grandfather from SEQ.. > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Women didn't have the vote then, Maree :) Judy > Thanks to Judy and Janet for your help ... I will have to keep looking .. > you can see what I am up against :( > > Judy did you see if Wilhelmine was with him at Quart Pot Creek ? I wonder > what sort of an area it was. > > Maree

Theres a Charles Zeller in the 1902 Cattle Brands Index. Might pay to try and look at earleir versions if they are available. Bev

Marie, That I do not know, we were lucky that we knew from family stories and letters etc. Maybe someone else will know. Regards Bev

He is not on the 1880 - 1884 Qld Electoral Roll - under spelling of Zelle or Zeller, as Carl or Herman. Cheers Janet

Obviously it was not needed to prove your name, age or marital standing in those days. I have several people who 'remarried' whilst married to someone else - a divorce was an extremely costly business. A divorced or separated wife had no legal rights where her children were concerned and could claim no part of her husband's property. I am currently reading about the Many Lives and Loves of Daisy Bates C.B.E. and it is interesting to read how she kept re-inventing herself and married 3 time, firstly to underage Breaker Morant and followed on with two bigamous marriages. There was no centralised system for the recording of Births, deaths and marriages in those days, and now we wonder why we have so many "brick walls". Cheers Janet

Maree I see he is at Quart Pot Creek [Stanthorpe] on Electoral roll 1879 [Herman Zelle] I don't have a the next later index ..I can't see him in 1903. It would be worth checking the one in between to see when he disappeared. It would be well worth contacting the Toowoomba and Darling Downs family History Soc http://www.tddfhs.org/ to see if they have record of him. BTW you might find his death a great deal later :( Judy > Hi all .. I am wondering if someone could help me please ? > I have been hunting for the death of my GG grandfather from SEQ.. >