I am trying to establish if the eldest daughter of Carl August Hahn, Albertina (aged 47 at his death in 1889) is the Emilie Albertine Hahn who married Ernst Friedrich Wilhelm Draheim in 1874. She was born 06/08/1843 in Gross Zacharin, Westpreussen, which is the same area the Hahn family came from, but the church marriage and death records give her parents as August Hahn and Henriette Schulz. She came to Queensland on the 'Friedeburg' in 1873 (some time before the rest of Carl August Hahn's family) and her place of origin was given as Petznick, often featured in records of Carl August's family. In the course of doing this, I have checked the death indexes for the mother of Carl August's children and have somewhat surprisingly found that the name Kahrz (given in the Hahn family history book) is never mentioned (nor unfortunately Schulz) but there are these variations: Johann Edward Hermann Hahn - Carl August & Henriette Kallies Ferdinand Heinrich Hahn - Carl August and Henriette Karliz Gustav Robert - Carl August & Henriette Kales Karl Heinrich - Carl August & Hanna Henriette Kallies This has led me to the conclusion that Kahrz is probably incorrect. I wondered if any of the many descendants of this family interested in family history might have original marriage or death certificates that might help to shed further light on this. Also, perhaps some direct descendants might know if there is a Draheim connection? Lois Cameron.

thought the following may be of interest to someone: >From the December issue of the E-Newsletter of the Inverell Genealogical and Historical Society: > > MR. JOHN SCHMIDT, Obituary Inverell Times January 6th 1914 Already in the new year the list of pioneer settlers who have recently passed over the Great Beyond has to be added to by the death of Mr. John Schmidt, which occurred at his son’s residence, Oliver Street, on Saturday. The late Mr. Schmidt was born in Hamburg, Germany, in 1826. He married in 1855 and in the same year emigrated to Australia, arriving in Brisbane in 1856 after a voyage lasting about six months. He went inland and worked on various stations. When the gold diggings broke out he was one of the few who remained behind. After eleven years’ residence in Queensland he came over to New South Wales and for 13 years was employed on Yallaroi and Tullona Stations. In 1880 he purchased a farm at Nullamanna, where he resided until five years ago. During the land boom the prevailing he sold out and has since been living with members of his family. His wife predeceased him 23 years ago. Mr Schmidt was buried in the Church of England portion of the local cemetery on Sunday. Three married daughters, Mrs. Parker, Mrs. Walsh and Mrs. Briggs, and two sons, John and George survive him. RETURN THANKS We desire to return sincere thanks to the pall-bearers, J. Hughes, O’Brien, Miles, Anderson, Medhurst, Benson and all kind friends for sympathy , floral tributes in connection with our recent bereavement. J & C, SCHMIDT & FAMILY > > Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q

To researchers accessing LDS digital images of Uckermark parish Registers. The following information is of special interest as many emigrants settled in Queensland from Brandenburg from the mid 1800s. Many of us were delighted to be able to read and print excellent images of BDMs relating to our ancestors in many parish registers during 2010. Unfortunately this free service has been removed temporarily, we hope not for too long. PLEASE READ THE E-MAIL BELOW I RECEIVED FROM THE LDS. Regards, Elizabeth -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Unable to access Brandenburg digital images online Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:20:06 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: Support@FamilySearch.org To: aliens@bigpond.net.au Dear Elisabeth, Thank you for contacting FamilySearch concerning the Germany, Brandenburg, Church Book Duplicates 1794-1874. This collection was published briefly on the Record Search (pilot) site. They were subsequently removed to honor the wishes of the record custodian, Brandenburgisches Landeshauptarchiv in Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany, that a watermark be added to all images. FamilySearch is currently working on developing a "rich attribution" feature which will allow the images to again be published online. We hope this has answered your question. Please don’t hesitate to contact us if you have any further problems or questions on this matter by using the reply to sender feature in your email program. We wish you much success and satisfaction in researching your ancestors. Sincerely, FamilySearch support@familysearch.org ---------------------- (CaseID:1929293) ----------------------

I would like to offer my sincere condolences to the many, many QLD and Northern NSW listers on the mailing list that may be experiencing severe flooding. I can only gauge the scene by watching the nightly news but to those who are living this terrible experience I hope that you will recover and that you have many friends and family for support. I know that you may not get this message for some time as I imagine internet services are stretched or even non existent. I am sure that I speak on behalf of many members that are safe and sound now......... WE ARE THINKING OF YOU!! Regards, Kerry Wall

Thanks for your thoughts Kerry... This is a reply I sent to a WA mailing list. ## Hi everyone in WA who have contacted me asking about my welfare during the flooding in my home town of Bundaberg., Apart from having to have my roof tarped on Christmas eve, by those wonderful and tireless SES workers who worked tirelessly all over the Christmas holidays.sandbagging buildings etc, and have even left their own inundated homes to help evacuate residents I have only inconvenience to deal with. I live on the high southern side of the town . All the feeder streets to the CBD are inundated and closed to traffic. One of our major Shopping Centres is underwater.. This means we need to travel several Klms out of way to get to a street that is open and then double back to town, to get such things as longlife milk, drinking water in case the town water is contaminated, etc.. The town is split in two ~~North and East Bundaberg are cut off from the rest of the town, The town's 3 bridges are closed to traffic and houses on the north and east are inundated and evacuated. to the two Evacuation centres (one centre on the southside of the river, the other on the north side of the river)Bundaberg is cut off from the rest of the state by road and rail. Traffic on the streets is bumper to bumper because there are so few streets open to traffic, and most traffic is sightseers taking piccies. For a good idea of what is happening locally here are some photos taken by locals It wouldn't hurt to refresh the screen each time you check it out, because the photos just keep coming . http://tinyurl.com/39armtb Cheers Gay >I would like to offer my sincere condolences to the many, many QLD and >Northern NSW listers on the mailing list that may be experiencing severe >flooding. I can only gauge the scene by watching the nightly news but to >those who are living this terrible experience I hope that you will recover >and that you have many friends and family for support. I know that you may >not get this message for some time as I imagine internet services are >stretched or even non existent. > > I am sure that I speak on behalf of many members that are safe and sound > now......... > > WE ARE THINKING OF YOU!! > > >

Hi List, Was having a chat to my dad about the recent question Jennifer asked about the Lutheran cemeteries at Lowood, he recalls the original lutheran church being out of town at the now Trinity Lutheran Cemetery (St Mark's) and during maybe the late 1930 or very early 1940's it was moved into Lowood via a 'roller' system, this took many months to get it into Lowood and it used the road, traffic was diverted through his Uncle property for some time as the back rollers were moved to the front - progress was slow. Later a new church was built in Lowood for the St Marks parish. Some families he could recall that started the St Marks movement were Rutherberg & Manz but of course their were others. Dad is 80+ now and I wonder how good his recollections are from this era. Does any other list members have relatives who can re-call this occurring? Or has any history been written about these Lutheran Churches. eg founding families etc. ? Warm Regards, Charmaine.

Hello List, I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year >From Anne

Thanks, Chris, for the explanation of St Marks and Bethel. It helps to have the background. Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2010 8:09 AM To: kerry.raymond@gmail.com; aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Hi St Mark's and Bethel were from two different synods. St Mark's was E.L.C.A which only began its work in the area in the 1920s at Fairney View and Lake Clarendon. There was a small gathering of local E.L.C.A members in Lowood that met in a house towards the end of WW1. This later combined with Lake Clarendon and moved to Lowood. One of the early pastors was Pastor L. Mirtschin who arrived in the 1930s. Probably could find the exact dates. Pastor Wallet and Doehler took services at Bethel and were assocated with the UELCA so Bethel is likely to be the one. The two synods combined in 1966. The UELCA itself was a union of several synods, including the Immanuel Synod, the German and Scandinavian Synod of Qld (Pastor Wallet and Doehler's synod) and others that happened in the 1920s. My South Australian ancestors were involved with the E.L.C.A, as were some of the Beutels, and Kapernicks. Some where everything else under the sun! Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond@gmail.com> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 December, 2010 9:38:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial The older graves seem to be in Bethel and the later ones in St Marks, so I'd be inclined to think Bethel for the 1920s. Everthing points to them being Lutheran so that makes Lowood General less likely. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 3:28 PM To: SEQ-Germans Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Kerry. Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:38 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial The older graves seem to be in Bethel and the later ones in St Marks, so I'd be inclined to think Bethel for the 1920s. Everthing points to them being Lutheran so that makes Lowood General less likely. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 3:28 PM To: SEQ-Germans Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com

The older graves seem to be in Bethel and the later ones in St Marks, so I'd be inclined to think Bethel for the 1920s. Everthing points to them being Lutheran so that makes Lowood General less likely. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 3:28 PM To: SEQ-Germans Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it is any help Pastor Dohler was a pastor with the former UELCA and he was in Lowood for a number of years. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charmaine Researcher Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 8:45 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Hello Jennifer, I'm not sure St Marks was in use in 1926 or even 1929. From the Chapel Hill headstone site it says :- (GSQ indexed St Mark's Evangelical Lutheran cemetery burial register running 1939-1985). Pastor Doehler was associated with some of my ancestors who are buried at Bethel Lutheran Cemetery. Without a headstone it is a bit of guess work, would the Esk Shire Council help out to check for burial's at the General Cemetery. If there is a burial book for Bethel - perhaps the local lutheran church might be able to look it up. Just a couple thoughts. Warm Regards, Charmaine. From: "Jennifer Crockett" <jcrockett@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:27:30 +1100 Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com

Hi St Mark's and Bethel were from two different synods. St Mark's was E.L.C.A which only began its work in the area in the 1920s at Fairney View and Lake Clarendon. There was a small gathering of local E.L.C.A members in Lowood that met in a house towards the end of WW1. This later combined with Lake Clarendon and moved to Lowood. One of the early pastors was Pastor L. Mirtschin who arrived in the 1930s. Probably could find the exact dates. Pastor Wallet and Doehler took services at Bethel and were assocated with the UELCA so Bethel is likely to be the one. The two synods combined in 1966. The UELCA itself was a union of several synods, including the Immanuel Synod, the German and Scandinavian Synod of Qld (Pastor Wallet and Doehler's synod) and others that happened in the 1920s. My South Australian ancestors were involved with the E.L.C.A, as were some of the Beutels, and Kapernicks. Some where everything else under the sun! Regards Chris ________________________________ From: Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond@gmail.com> To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 15 December, 2010 9:38:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial The older graves seem to be in Bethel and the later ones in St Marks, so I'd be inclined to think Bethel for the 1920s. Everthing points to them being Lutheran so that makes Lowood General less likely. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2010 3:28 PM To: SEQ-Germans Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter and Jane I know that it was months ago that you put up the names of people in the above history. I am only now going through my inbox and clearing out much of the contents. I did request another name but for some reason I seem to have placed this message elsewhere. Would I be able to get more information on Daniel McFARLANE. Not sure whether it is the one on my daughter-in-laws line - one can only hope. It is the right area, so, hopefully. Many thanks in appreciation for your work on this list. Regards, Kay GOODNA DANIEL McFARLANE

Hello Jennifer, I'm not sure St Marks was in use in 1926 or even 1929. From the Chapel Hill headstone site it says :- (GSQ indexed St Mark's Evangelical Lutheran cemetery burial register running 1939-1985). Pastor Doehler was associated with some of my ancestors who are buried at Bethel Lutheran Cemetery. Without a headstone it is a bit of guess work, would the Esk Shire Council help out to check for burial's at the General Cemetery. If there is a burial book for Bethel - perhaps the local lutheran church might be able to look it up. Just a couple thoughts. Warm Regards, Charmaine. From: "Jennifer Crockett" <jcrockett@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lowood Lutheran Cemetery - which one? Pastor LudwigDoehler at burial Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:27:30 +1100 Hi All I have two death certificates for husband and wife Johann Carl and Louise Clara DREWS. Johann's certificate says he was buried 25 Nov 1926 in "Lowood Lutheran Cemetery" with L Doehler as Lutheran minister. Louise's certificate says she was buried 8 September 1929 in "Lowood" with H Wallat as Lutheran minister. Ludwig Doehler was the informant. I don't believe there are headstones for either. Can anyone suggest which Lutheran Cemetery - Bethel or St Marks Johann would be buried in; and if Louise would have been buried in either of those or at Lowood General Cemetery? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com

I am wondering if there are any descendants of a marriage between Benno MULLER and Mary Ann Frances HINTON in 1913. I can see in the BDM online, that they had a daughter Linda Estelle born 1914, but that is the limit of the records online. Would appreciate any help. Thanks. Jean Harm.

I have already ordered this Cd from the QFHS. Should be a handy addition to my List of CD's. Some of the dates noted are Cattle 1872-1889 Sheep 1877-1900 Horse and Cattle 1949-1952 Price $49-50 + $2 postage. Bev

Hi Bob & Jean Let me know if you get clarification on this one. As you know, I have an interest in this family as they are my GGG Grandparents. Thanks, Kerry Muller Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob & Jean Harm Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2010 11:10 AM To: AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] More information on MULLER on Waroonga Sorry, I have just found a Rbt (Robert?) MULLER on the same ship, same film/page number. He was 34 at time of the arrival. More mystery, as he would have been 11 years younger than (my guess) his wife Louise 45. I still cannot find anything constructive about the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bob and Jean Harm Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone know if there has been a CD published on Cattle Brand Indexes that give an address? If so what years please. Bev

Hi Listers, Several references to the "Vanguard" can be viewed at http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper which is the digitised access point of newspapers at the Trove Library..................... Jim