Hello All, a BIG thank you to all who have helped me - much appreciated. L Did the migrants self cater on board ship?? were they accommodated in housing compounds at Hamburg before boarding their ship 'Herschel" What procedures did they follow to immigrate? Many thanks Lorraine

HI Peta Ihave asked around with little luck, however I shall keep my nose to the ground & let you know. Good to hear from you again!! I've been watching "{CARLOS "Hope you never got flooded out like we did regards Kevin N -----Original Message----- From: little otter [mailto:lil_dobhran@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2011 4:56 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Youngnickel - Hattonvale Apostolic Manse To Kevin N, When my primary email was hijacked I lost a lot of e mail correspondence. Including correspondence with you regarding my G Grandfather Karl Jungnickel who lodged at the Hattonvale Apostolic Manse for a time, & where he died in 1941 and is buried in your cemetary at Hatonvale. Would it be possible to touch base with you again to see if any of the elder people in the community can remember Karl or any photographs exist which include him. Thanks Peta ________________________________

Thanks for that Janet. Will pass this on to the researcher who was tearing her hair out over it. Many thanks Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Friday, 25 February 2011 1:25 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] P.S. re Rudolph KLEIN Rudolph KLEIN attended the Tansey State School in 1933, so I would think he is a son of either Ernst & Melba KLEIN who married in 1925 or Hermann & Martha KLEIN who married in 1927 If Rudolph was born about 1928 (which would make him 5 when he went to school) and his birthday was late in the year, he would have missed the 1949 Electoral Roll, so his first entry where we would see him is on 1959. Janet > Thanks for that Janet but it still leaves Rudolph who seems to be a > latecomer. Your information is appreciated. > Kay Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rudolph KLEIN attended the Tansey State School in 1933, so I would think he is a son of either Ernst & Melba KLEIN who married in 1925 or Hermann & Martha KLEIN who married in 1927 If Rudolph was born about 1928 (which would make him 5 when he went to school) and his birthday was late in the year, he would have missed the 1949 Electoral Roll, so his first entry where we would see him is on 1959. Janet > Thanks for that Janet but it still leaves Rudolph who seems to be a > latecomer. Your information is appreciated. > Kay

Thanks Kerry. I did look up the Electoral Rolls but that seems about the only reference to Rudolph. Perhaps he went off to do reindeer duties for Santa!!! Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Wall Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2011 7:28 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] P.S. re Rudolph KLEIN Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Name: Rudolph Ludwig Klein Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1954 State: Queensland District: Fisher Subdistrict: Wondai Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Name: Julius Klein Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1925 State: Queensland District: Wide Bay Subdistrict: Wondai Herman Klein listed at Tansey in 1925, also. All listed at Tansey Males are farmers. Regards, Kerry -------------------------------------------------- Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Janet but it still leaves Rudolph who seems to be a latecomer. Your information is appreciated. Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2011 7:59 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] P.S. re Rudolph KLEIN This KLEIN family arrived from Antwerp on board "Cassel" at Brisbane 17th May 1912 - Julius 44, Marie 43, Elsbeth 16, Ernst 12, Marie 10 and Hermann 8. [Qld Immigration Records - IMM/125 P373 M1705] Julius KLEIN, aged 54 years, born 26th Dec 1866 at Trimmau, Province of East Prussia, Germany arrived from Antwerp on 'Cassel" - applied for Naturalisation 28/9/1921 - living Tansey, Queensland - Father: Gottleib KLEIN married to Marie aged 53 years, born Pollychem, Hollender, Brandenberg, Germany - they have 4 children living with them - Elsbeth Elizabeth Amelie age 26; Ernst Julius August 22; Marie Anna Auguste 20 and Herman August Christian 18. Ernst Julius August KLEIN, born 22 April 1899 at Peine, Province Hanover, Germany - Father: Julius KLEIN - applied for Naturalisation 14/9/1921 - arrived on 'Cassel' - unmarried. Ernst Julius August KLEIN married 1925/C1645 Melba Margarette ROSENTRETER Hermann August Christien KLEIN married 1927/C632 Martha Anna KIHNEL 1922 Queensland Electoral Roll: Ernest Julius August KLEIN, farmer, Tansey via Goomeri Julius KLEIN, farmer, same address Marie KLEIN, home duties, same address Marie KLEIN, home duties, same address 1934 Queensland Electoral Roll: Julius KLEIN, farmer, Tansey via Goomeri Ernest Julius August KLEIN, farmer, same address Herman KLEIN, labourer, same address Martha Anna KLEIN, home duties, same address Melba Margaretta KLEIN, home duties, same address 1949 and 1959 Queensland Electoral Roll: Ernest Julius August KLEIN, Laird Street, Goomeri Melba Margaret KLEIN, same address 1949 Queensland Electoral Roll: Herman KLEIN, labourer, Tansey Julius KLEIN, farmer, Tansey Martha Anna KLEIN, home duties, Tansey 1959 Queensland Electoral Roll: Rudolph Ludwig KLEIN, farmer, Tansey Janet Hervey Bay Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Name: Rudolph Ludwig Klein Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1954 State: Queensland District: Fisher Subdistrict: Wondai Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 Name: Julius Klein Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1925 State: Queensland District: Wide Bay Subdistrict: Wondai Herman Klein listed at Tansey in 1925, also. All listed at Tansey Males are farmers. Regards, Kerry --------------------------------------------------

This KLEIN family arrived from Antwerp on board "Cassel" at Brisbane 17th May 1912 - Julius 44, Marie 43, Elsbeth 16, Ernst 12, Marie 10 and Hermann 8. [Qld Immigration Records - IMM/125 P373 M1705] Julius KLEIN, aged 54 years, born 26th Dec 1866 at Trimmau, Province of East Prussia, Germany arrived from Antwerp on 'Cassel" - applied for Naturalisation 28/9/1921 - living Tansey, Queensland - Father: Gottleib KLEIN married to Marie aged 53 years, born Pollychem, Hollender, Brandenberg, Germany - they have 4 children living with them - Elsbeth Elizabeth Amelie age 26; Ernst Julius August 22; Marie Anna Auguste 20 and Herman August Christian 18. Ernst Julius August KLEIN, born 22 April 1899 at Peine, Province Hanover, Germany - Father: Julius KLEIN - applied for Naturalisation 14/9/1921 - arrived on 'Cassel' - unmarried. Ernst Julius August KLEIN married 1925/C1645 Melba Margarette ROSENTRETER Hermann August Christien KLEIN married 1927/C632 Martha Anna KIHNEL 1922 Queensland Electoral Roll: Ernest Julius August KLEIN, farmer, Tansey via Goomeri Julius KLEIN, farmer, same address Marie KLEIN, home duties, same address Marie KLEIN, home duties, same address 1934 Queensland Electoral Roll: Julius KLEIN, farmer, Tansey via Goomeri Ernest Julius August KLEIN, farmer, same address Herman KLEIN, labourer, same address Martha Anna KLEIN, home duties, same address Melba Margaretta KLEIN, home duties, same address 1949 and 1959 Queensland Electoral Roll: Ernest Julius August KLEIN, Laird Street, Goomeri Melba Margaret KLEIN, same address 1949 Queensland Electoral Roll: Herman KLEIN, labourer, Tansey Julius KLEIN, farmer, Tansey Martha Anna KLEIN, home duties, Tansey 1959 Queensland Electoral Roll: Rudolph Ludwig KLEIN, farmer, Tansey Janet Hervey Bay

Thanks Judy, I reckon he was a late comer to Australia not like the other three families that have been here for Yonks. Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Webster Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2011 12:55 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] P.S. re Rudolph KLEIN >Julius or a Rudolph KLEIN who were farmers in Tansey outside Goomeri >in the 1950's? I have a lady searching for them here who does not >know too much about the family. I cannot find any reference to them >being born in Queensland, married or died. I just found another reference in an index to immigration records: KLEIN Julius - Qld State Archives: IMM/154 page 670 Judy ______ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester QLD 4115, Australia Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources) Facebook: www.facebook.com/judy.webster.genealogy Genealogy on Twitter: http://twitter.com/JudyQld Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Julius or a Rudolph KLEIN who were farmers in Tansey outside Goomeri >in the 1950's? I have a lady searching for them here who does not >know too much about the family. I cannot find any reference to them >being born in Queensland, married or died. I just found another reference in an index to immigration records: KLEIN Julius - Qld State Archives: IMM/154 page 670 Judy ______ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester QLD 4115, Australia Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources) Facebook: www.facebook.com/judy.webster.genealogy Genealogy on Twitter: http://twitter.com/JudyQld

>Julius or a Rudolph KLEIN who were farmers in Tansey outside Goomeri >in the 1950's? I have a lady searching for them here who does not >know too much about the family. I cannot find any reference to them >being born in Queensland, married or died. These references are from the Dern Index (David & Julie Dern, Bundaberg, c1999), which summarises details on headstones in 250 Qld cemeteries. Both refer to monumental inscriptions at Tansey. KLEIN Julius, d. 23.02.1956, 89yrs, with Marie KLEIN. KLEIN Marie, d. 1.02.1934, 66 yrs. Before paying big dollars for death certificates from the Registry, check whether there are probate files at Qld State Archives, as those files usually include a death certificate. More advice is on www.judywebster.gil.com.au/tips-qld.html. ______ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester QLD 4115, Australia Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources) Facebook: www.facebook.com/judy.webster.genealogy Genealogy on Twitter: http://twitter.com/JudyQld

Thanks Ian. Looks like they might be deceased land she would have to buy a certificate of his death. Apparently there were three Klein families - one in Toowoomba - One Ipswich and One Maryborough. Kay -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian & Margaret Kelly Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2011 11:35 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Rudolph KLEIN Hi Kay Have done a lot of research on my Klein family from Toowoomba area but neither Julius or Rudolph Klein are in my family. Have found on my data a Julius Klein died in Qld on 23/2/1956. Father and Mother not shown. There was a Rudolph Ludwig Klein on the roll at 18 Tansey St, Goomeri in 1984. There are no other Kleins at that address. Cheers Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Gassan" <wiseowl3@bigpond.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:57 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Rudolph KLEIN > Is anyone on the list related to a Julius or a Rudolph KLEIN who were > farmers in Tansey > outside Goomeri in the 1950's? I have a lady searching for them here who > does not know too much about the family. I cannot find any reference to > them > being born in Queensland, married or died. > Kay Gassan > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kay Have done a lot of research on my Klein family from Toowoomba area but neither Julius or Rudolph Klein are in my family. Have found on my data a Julius Klein died in Qld on 23/2/1956. Father and Mother not shown. There was a Rudolph Ludwig Klein on the roll at 18 Tansey St, Goomeri in 1984. There are no other Kleins at that address. Cheers Ian Kelly Sandstone Point Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Gassan" <wiseowl3@bigpond.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:57 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Rudolph KLEIN > Is anyone on the list related to a Julius or a Rudolph KLEIN who were > farmers in Tansey > outside Goomeri in the 1950's? I have a lady searching for them here who > does not know too much about the family. I cannot find any reference to > them > being born in Queensland, married or died. > Kay Gassan > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Glenva, IN our David McIver book published in 1993 there is listed in the Passenger List PATERSEN, William 31 and PATERSEN Margaret, 24. Perhaps these are the parents of your Thomas Pattesen. Copies of this book can still Can be obtained at the Maryborough Family Heritage Institute PO Box 913 Maryborough. Price $30 posted. My latest book is a reprint of THE POCKET: Its History, Folklore and People. This has been re-edited and gives lots of information on the early pioneers and settlers who purchased land or lived in the Pocket area of Maryborough from the 1850's. Plenty of biographies of people and many German families but no Weimers. Copies of this book can also be obtained at the MFHI and we will be holding a re-launch of the book in March this year. However, I do have some Weimers listed in a Reinke family tree that comes into my family through my Stumer family. However, these are only names of children born in the 1990's. Regards Kay Gassan -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Glenva Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2011 9:47 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] SE-QLD-GERMANS (Another Book) >From Glenva Biles - genie.girl@tpg.com.au Re SEQ-GERMANS (Another Book) Dear Kaye, for quite some time now I have been researching my Great grandmother Amalia (Emma) Weimer dob 29/9/1855 in Gayndah, Qld and daughter of Eutropius Weimer and Sabina Glock emigrants from Germany. I am most interested if anyone may also be researching this family. I might add I am also researching Thomas Patteson my grandfather dob 22/6/1865 at Iderway, Gayndah and who married Emma's daughter, Anna Catherine on her 18th birthday. Thomas Patteson's father and mother migrated from Northern Ireland on the David McIvor arriving at Hervey Bay on 9/7/1863. I am most interested in your latest published book should the Weimer family be mentioned in same etc! Regards, Glenva Biles Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone on the list related to a Julius or a Rudolph KLEIN who were farmers in Tansey outside Goomeri in the 1950's? I have a lady searching for them here who does not know too much about the family. I cannot find any reference to them being born in Queensland, married or died. Kay Gassan

>From Glenva Biles - genie.girl@tpg.com.au Re SEQ-GERMANS (Another Book) Dear Kaye, for quite some time now I have been researching my Great grandmother Amalia (Emma) Weimer dob 29/9/1855 in Gayndah, Qld and daughter of Eutropius Weimer and Sabina Glock emigrants from Germany. I am most interested if anyone may also be researching this family. I might add I am also researching Thomas Patteson my grandfather dob 22/6/1865 at Iderway, Gayndah and who married Emma's daughter, Anna Catherine on her 18th birthday. Thomas Patteson's father and mother migrated from Northern Ireland on the David McIvor arriving at Hervey Bay on 9/7/1863. I am most interested in your latest published book should the Weimer family be mentioned in same etc! Regards, Glenva Biles

To Kevin N, When my primary email was hijacked I lost a lot of e mail correspondence. Including correspondence with you regarding my G Grandfather Karl Jungnickel who lodged at the Hattonvale Apostolic Manse for a time, & where he died in 1941 and is buried in your cemetary at Hatonvale. Would it be possible to touch base with you again to see if any of the elder people in the community can remember Karl or any photographs exist which include him. Thanks Peta ________________________________

I know we are covering a large group of non german ancestor in our research (with a lot of experienced members), and apologies for bothering anyone with something like this. But I am not a member of another list in the right location. I am looking for researchers into Robert Alfred Renforth Wallace born 19/2/1863 (possibly as Alfred Ernst Renforth Strong???) in Workington Cumberland/M/ Eliza Payne. Lived some time in the Burnett; Degilbo, Maryborough. I believe that there was some research published on the Payne family tree by Cora Webb?? I wish to make contact if at all possible, Any help is appreciated Regards Peta

At 16:05 18/02/2011 +1000, Lisa Burton wrote: >For anyone who has had difficulty establishing a >ship of arrival for a ancestor, can I suggest >that you consider the following resource at >Queensland State Archives? "Registers of >Prisoners admitted HM Brisbane Goal 03 Jan 1850 >­ 03 Feb 1864" (QSA Ref. PRI 1/25 Film No. Z3993) I heartily endorse Lisa's suggestion. Many prison records (not just the source mentioned above) give the year and ship of arrival (sometimes a coastal vessel from interstate). See, for example, www.judywebster.gil.com.au/stewart.html. Hospital admission registers, too, have provision for 'ship of arrival'. See www.judywebster.gil.com.au/hospital.html. Other sources where I have seen the ship of arrival mentioned include: * Colonial Secretary's Office correspondence * Dunwich Benevolent Asylum records * Justice Department inquest files * Marine birth or death certificates * Mental Asylum records * Naturalisation records * Passport records * Police Gazettes * Obituaries for the immigrant, siblings, spouse, children, grandchildren etc., in newspapers or in publications of professional organisations, clubs, societies etc. Happy searching! Judy ______ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester QLD 4115, Australia Accredited researcher (Qld State Archives sources) Facebook: www.facebook.com/judy.webster.genealogy Genealogy on Twitter: http://twitter.com/JudyQld Please explore my new genealogy pages including http://qld-genealogy.blogspot.com/ http://genie-leftovers.blogspot.com/

Thanks, Lorrae, for the additional 'pointers' re QSA .... A couple of things re my original posting: Firstly, my apologies, I should have typed 'Gaol', not 'Goal'! Also, I should clarify that the admissions registers don't actually list what offence the prisoner was convicted of. I was able to pick up on some of those I was interested in by 'cross-checking' contemporary newspaper reports i.e. through 'Trove'. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q.