Perhaps the following is of interest to you - Johann Heinrich KUMMERFELD and Abel LOHSE had a son Ernest August born 1879 Kisdorf, Holstein son Ernest August KUMMERFELD married Sarah Jane WORMINGTON children: 1. Ernest William born 1907 Mt Perry died 1977 2. George Edward born 1910 Mt Perry died 1980 in Sandgate 3. Laurence Martin born 1912 in Woowoonga died 1914 4. William Ernest born 1914 Biggenden 5. Harold John born 1916 in Maryborough died 1972 in Hervey Bay Ernest August KUMMERFELD buried 28 Aug 1950 age 71 y 6mths at Degilbo Cemetery his wife Sarah Jane buried 1968 also Degilbo Johann Henry KUMMERFELD buried 21 Jan 1934 aged 85 yrs at Degilbo Cheers Janet

Abel has disappeared. It is probably her who is in the Maryborough Cemetery. Wednesday should reveal all - Commonwealth Electoral Roll (Queensland) 1922 No: 510 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Ernest August Title: Place of Living: Woowoonga Occupation: farmer Sex: Male Subdivision: Biggenden Division: Wide Bay ID: 375638 No: 511 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Johan Heinrich Title: Place of Living: Woowoonga Occupation: farm labourer Sex: Male Subdivision: Biggenden Division: Wide Bay ID: 375639 No: 512 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Sarah Jane Title: Place of Living: Woowoonga Occupation: home duties Sex: Female Subdivision: Biggenden Division: Wide Bay ID: 375640 Cheers Janet

Thanks so much Janet and Jennifer . The Bausite connection is the one I am trying to make. The age is about right (should be 72 or 73) Father's name on death cert is all wrong, if it's her, but that may be down to the informant. The Christopher Daniel Kummerfeld from the Bausite list died in Maryborough in 1870 but was step-father to the family. She was born Abel Grotherr, third of four children to Anna and Reinke Grotherr (Sr). It would not be the first time I have seen young females retain the name they entered the country with, for their lifetime; while their brothers revert to their actual father's name Unless by some dark coincidence she also married (de-facto?) a Kummerfeld. (I note that the Johann Heinrich Kummerfeld was also born Holstein, c.1849) I think thiswould be the only way to link her to the one in Biggenden. But what chance there would be two of that name pretty much in the same district? Is the Biggenden Abel still on the roll after 1917? Thank you for your kind offer, Janet, I can wait until Wednesday. It could prove interesting David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <jmartin17@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > > This is the only Abel KUMMERFELD that I can find - > > Abel KUMMERFELD aged 75 years, born Germany, buried Maryborough Cemetery > 31st May 1917 > > ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17000) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

David, Does this help? QFHSdatasearch Version 1.8.0 by Queensland Family History Society Inc. >From [Commonwealth Electoral Roll (Queensland) 1913] database on 28/02/2011 ======================================================================= No : 577 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Sarah Jane Title : Place of Living: Biggenden Occupation : home duties Sex : Female Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 328212 No : 576 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Johan Heinrich Title : Place of Living: Biggenden Occupation : farm labourer Sex : Male Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 328211 No : 575 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Ernest August Title : Place of Living: Biggenden Occupation : miner Sex : Male Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 328210 No : 574 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Abel Title : Place of Living: Biggenden Occupation : housekeeper Sex : Female Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 328209 Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Grotherr Sent: Monday, 28 February 2011 12:27 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD Well, we're back again, at the same old brickwall. Can some kind should add anything to this female from the Qld BMD, Deaths? 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich Anything that may identify or eliminate her before I go off and buy another (wrong) death cert. I can't find any sign of a will. David

Here she is in 1903 - Commonwealth Electoral Rolls (Queensland) 1903 No: 100 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Abel Title: Sex: Female Place of Living: Biggenden Occupation: domestic duties Polling Place: Biggenden Division: Wide Bay ID: 200166 No: 101 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Ernest August Title: Sex: Male Place of Living: Biggenden Occupation: farmer Polling Place: Biggenden Division: Wide Bay ID: 200167 No: 663 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Johann Hinerish Title: Sex: Male Place of Living: Benevolent Asylum Occupation: inmate of Dunwich Polling Place: Dunwich Division: Oxley ID: 180961 Janet

Hi David, Further to the information Jennifer has supplied - the death you are enquiring about is recorded on Ancestry as:- Name: Abel Kummerfeld Death Date: 29 May 1917 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: Hans Heinrich Lohse Mother's Name: Jensen Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: 002008 Page Number: 1114 This Biggenden, Qld family arrived on unassisted passage into NSW 12 January 1894 per "Erlangen". Johann, Abel and Ernest (no ages recorded). Port of departure Hamburg. Hope that helps a bit. Do you see the mother Anna's burial at Bundaberg (pretty sure that's her???) http://bundaberg.qld.gov.au/services/cemeteries/bundaberg/search?query=devenport&recid=1716 On the Trove site probate is granted to Reinke Grotherr, Woongarra Scrub, near Bundaberg, sugar planter (The Queenslander, Saturday 15 May 1897 - page 51) Jo On 28/02/2011, at 9:26 AM, David Grotherr wrote: > Well, we're back again, at the same old brickwall. > > Can some kind should add anything to this female from the Qld BMD, Deaths? > > 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich >

Hi David, Further to the other message I sent - If you can wait till Wednesday evening, I can get you the death notice, funeral notice and Obituary and that will save buying a certificate. Cheers Janet > > 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich >

This is the only Abel KUMMERFELD that I can find - Abel KUMMERFELD aged 75 years, born Germany, buried Maryborough Cemetery 31st May 1917 Emigrants from Hamburg to Australasia 1850-1879 No: 226 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Christoph Town: Götzberg State: Holstein Standing: Arbeiter Age: 58 Sex: m Destination: Queensland Ship: Beausite Year: 1866 ID: 22702 No: 227 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Anna Town: Götzberg State: Holstein Standing: Age: 53 Sex: f Destination: Queensland Ship: Beausite Year: 1866 ID: 22703 No: 228 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Abel Town: Götzberg State: Holstein Standing: Age: 19 Sex: f Destination: Queensland Ship: Beausite Year: 1866 ID: 22704 No: 229 Surname: KUMMERFELD Given Names: Reinke Town: Götzberg State: Holstein Standing: Age: 17 Sex: m Destination: Queensland Ship: Beausite Year: 1866 ID: 22705 Cheers Janet

Typo,sorry Can some kind soul add.........? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grotherr" <grotherr@iprimus.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > Well, we're back again, at the same old brickwall. > > Can some kind should add anything to this female from the Qld BMD, Deaths? > > 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich > > > Anything that may identify or eliminate her before I go off and buy > another > (wrong) death cert. I can't find any sign of a will. > > David > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16990) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16990) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16990) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Well, we're back again, at the same old brickwall. Can some kind should add anything to this female from the Qld BMD, Deaths? 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich Anything that may identify or eliminate her before I go off and buy another (wrong) death cert. I can't find any sign of a will. David ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16990) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

forwarded from another list. Hi Everyone, WWI photographs discovered in France - on Channel 7 tonight. http://www.theage.com.au/national/rescued-from-ruin-a-rare-glimpse-of-our-boys-at-war-and-at-play-20110226-1b9bf.html Cheers Jim, ...................................thanks Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-MILITARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not seen all messages on this topic, so forgive me if someone has already said this... Some shipboard diaries can be located via Trove, www.trove.nla.gov.au. See also Nicholson's books entitled 'Log of Logs'. Colonial Secretary's Office correspondence (State archives) may also be useful. Judy ______ Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester QLD 4115, Australia http://qld-genealogy.blogspot.com/

Warren you said, > Sounds like generic type information.Why would you expect it to be much > different for other migrant vessels?< I'm not sure to whom your posting was addressed, but generic information is not really good enough if there is specific information available. If you have read any records of voyages, logs, diaries, Surgeon's reports you would see that the experiences of the passengers was different, depending on the ship on which ship they travelled. Most Captains and most Surgeons had concern for their passengers, and they ensured the passengers had plenty of exercise and ate healthily avoiding scurvy, and their quarters were clean and fresh, the latrines emptied and washed with carbolic soap. Other's were not so conscientious, and I'd be interested in knowing what my ancestor experienced. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "

Thanks Janet, Gay

Hello Gay, The information I sent Norm was only relevant to his ancestors and their voyage. Cheers Janet

Martyn, Re that interesing information re the voyage from Hamburg to Moreton bay. is there such information on the Ship Friedelburg That sailed from Hamburg 20 April 1871 Arrived MORETON BAY12 Aug 1871. my ancestors Named BUSING were on that ship. Can you find out that information or lead me to how to obtain it. Thanks, Norm BUSING Pukekohe NEW ZEALAND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Smith" <Martyn.Smith@optus.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] did passengers self cater > Hi Lorriane, > > I was recently researching my ancestors voyage from Hamburg to Moreton Bay > on vessel Caesar Godeffroy in 1862 and learnt some very interesting > details about life on baord immigration vessels, descriptions of the legal > boat designs, toilets requirements and locations, food and medicine > rations and the duties of The Cook, The Baker, The Teacher etc and also > listed the daily/weekly rations/provisions provided to each passenger. One > document states that the following were the weekly rations for each > passenger on voyages expected to exceed 84 days: > > 3 quarts of drinking water daily > 10 gallons per 100 passengers per day for cooking purposes. > 3 lbs, 8 ozs Bread or biscuit (not of quality inferior to Navy biscuit) > 2 lbs wheaten flour > 1 lb oatmeal > 1lb rice > 1 lb peas > 1lb potateoes > 1 lb beef. > 1 lb pork > 2 ozs tea > 1 lb sugar > 2 ozs salt > 1/3 ozs mustard > 1/4 ozs salt and pepper ground > 1 Gill vinegar > 1 Gill lime juice > 1 lb preserved meat > 6 ozs suet > 8 ozs raisins > 4 ozs butter > > It also states that cooks were provided to cook the food that required > cooking for passengers or that families could arrange to use on of several > family stoves to cook for themselves. I also recall reading elsewhere that > before departure each family had to purchase a "travelling kit" which > included things like pots, utensils, blankets and soap etc for use on the > voyage. > > If this is the type of information your interested in then please get in > touch and I will point you in the right direction. > > Regards > Martyn > > > ________________________________________ > From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com > [aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of L Stitt > [lorrainestitt@westnet.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 26 February 2011 11:08 AM > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] did passengers self cater > > Hello All, a BIG thank you to all who have helped me - much appreciated. L > > Did the migrants self cater on board ship?? > were they accommodated in housing compounds at Hamburg before boarding > their ship 'Herschel" > > What procedures did they follow to immigrate? > > Many thanks > > Lorraine > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here I was, hoping Janet's email would enlighten us.. Can we all share this information or link, sent off list please Janet, or was it relevant only to Norm and his ship. I was thinking that catering may have been similar across other ships..particularly the Godeffroy line? Thanks Gay -- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <jmartin17@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] did passengers self cater > Information sent off line > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman BUSING" <normbus@actrix.gen.nz> > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Information sent off line Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman BUSING" <normbus@actrix.gen.nz>

Hi Lorriane, I was recently researching my ancestors voyage from Hamburg to Moreton Bay on vessel Caesar Godeffroy in 1862 and learnt some very interesting details about life on baord immigration vessels, descriptions of the legal boat designs, toilets requirements and locations, food and medicine rations and the duties of The Cook, The Baker, The Teacher etc and also listed the daily/weekly rations/provisions provided to each passenger. One document states that the following were the weekly rations for each passenger on voyages expected to exceed 84 days: 3 quarts of drinking water daily 10 gallons per 100 passengers per day for cooking purposes. 3 lbs, 8 ozs Bread or biscuit (not of quality inferior to Navy biscuit) 2 lbs wheaten flour 1 lb oatmeal 1lb rice 1 lb peas 1lb potateoes 1 lb beef. 1 lb pork 2 ozs tea 1 lb sugar 2 ozs salt 1/3 ozs mustard 1/4 ozs salt and pepper ground 1 Gill vinegar 1 Gill lime juice 1 lb preserved meat 6 ozs suet 8 ozs raisins 4 ozs butter It also states that cooks were provided to cook the food that required cooking for passengers or that families could arrange to use on of several family stoves to cook for themselves. I also recall reading elsewhere that before departure each family had to purchase a "travelling kit" which included things like pots, utensils, blankets and soap etc for use on the voyage. If this is the type of information your interested in then please get in touch and I will point you in the right direction. Regards Martyn ________________________________________ From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of L Stitt [lorrainestitt@westnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 26 February 2011 11:08 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] did passengers self cater Hello All, a BIG thank you to all who have helped me - much appreciated. L Did the migrants self cater on board ship?? were they accommodated in housing compounds at Hamburg before boarding their ship 'Herschel" What procedures did they follow to immigrate? Many thanks Lorraine Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message