Hi there! MULLER (nee Itzstein), Maude Phyllis, of Tabeel Aged Home Laidley. Beloved Wife of Albert (decd), dearly loved Mother and Mother-in-law of Lois and Neville Kleidon, Howard and Carolyn, Russell and Marcia, Aileen and Brian Beecroft, and Graham, loving Grandmother and Great-grandmother of their Families and loved Sister of Ron Itzstein. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend Maudes Funeral Service to be held at 10.30a.m. Monday 7th March 2011 in the Zion Lutheran Church, Minden, followed by Interment in the Church Cemetery. LEN RUSSELL FUNERALS Ipswich - 38123122 www.lenrussellfunerals.com.au Notices | Publication: Queensland Times, Toowoomba Chronicle | Published 3 Mar 2011 This grand old lady is the daughter of Henry Lothar ITZSTEIN and Henriette Auguste KAPERNICK. Henriette is a cousin to my maternal grandfather- he only had 45 of them from one side and 38 from the BEUTEL side, making a grand total of 93 cousins. Henriette's husband was Albert Harry MULLER the son of Wilhelm Carl MULLER and Elizabeth HEISE. There is double and triple connections there between the rest of the ITZSTEINs and the HEISE and MULLERS. Actually, Albert's mother Elizabeth nee Heise is also a MULLER descendant. Its just like Days of Our Lives.......I really wonder why half of us weren't born with two heads! Any connections anyone? Regards Chris

Hallo List Member, Please can someone tell me what type of food typical German's ate at meals --? ..food suggestions my Lange family were farmers. for breakfast........ ............. snacks...................... lunch....................... snacks...................... dinner........................ Would children eat the same food as adults?? if not what.............................. were there special times to eat?? Thanking you in advance Lorraine

Lorraine Do you have a time frame for this? I wouldn't neglect looking at old newspapers for this. I found a report of my ancestor Johan KRIMMER's farm at Zillmere in an old copy of the Brisbane Courier on NLA website. I also was able to find his land clearly marked on maps at the Ald State Archives and records of crown land purchases there also [with I imagine his land orders.] There was also a record of his purchase in the paper. A quick look found an advertisement for land at "Spring Farm Estate" at Nundah on Wed 9 Feb 1898 in the Brisbane Courier. Also a report of the Death of a Margaret Lang sister of Mrs Richer of Spring Farm Estate Nundah dated 5 Oct 1903 Judy > Hello All Listers, > > Does anyone have info about Spring Farm I think it must be near or in the > German station. My Gottfried Lange mentioned farming at Spring Farm in > one of his letters to his son. Other than that they give German Station as > their address. > > Many thanks > > Lorraine >

Hello Lorraine German Station was the original name for Nundah. That is where a lot of our German relatives first went before they moved out in to the country. Hope this helps Regards Anna On 4 March 2011 19:37, L Stitt <lorrainestitt@westnet.com.au> wrote: > Hello All Listers, > > Does anyone have info about Spring Farm I think it must be near or in the German station.  My Gottfried Lange mentioned farming at Spring Farm in one of his letters to his son. Other than that they give German Station as their address. > > Many thanks > > Lorraine > Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Anna I sent this message earlier but I forgot to change the subject heading from a previous topic, and as it was not an accurate heading I thought I would resend. I hate it when other people do that- change topic and dont change subject headings- and I did it myself -naughty boy that I am! Just seeing a message you sent to the south-east Qld list reminded me we had spoken regarding the BACHMANN family. I promised to send you information showing the connection between the Bachmann family and the BEUTELS and some of the Kapernicks- I already promised this some time ago. Here we go: 1. Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 19 Sept 1834 Schmoelln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 24 Jul 1913 Lilydale, Queensland, Buried: 25 Jul 1913 Helidon, Queensland m. Wilhelmine Johanne ROHUE b. Abt 1830      2. Wilhelm Friedrich BEUTEL b. 1859 Schmoelln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg,      Prussia      m. 23 Mar 1882 Marburg, Qld Augusta HOEPNER b. 1861 Stegelitz, Brandenburg,      Prussia d. 8 Dec      1948 Brisbane, Qld, Buried: Kalbar, Queensland.      2. Wilhelmine Marie Elisabeth Beutel b. 29 Sept 1862 23 Schmoelln,      Brandenburg, Prussia d.  23  Dec 1951 Marburg, Qld, Buried:  29 Dec 1951 Marburg, Qld      m. 20 Sept 1888 Brisbane, Qld Wilhelm Christoph BACHMANN b. Abt 1869 d. 8      Aug 1948 Marburg, Qld Buried: Marburg, Qld      Father: Christian Gottlieb BACHMANN      Mother: Wilhelmine KELLER           3. Frederick Wilhelm BACHMANN b. 10 Nov 1889 Marburg, Qld d. 20 Jun 1968 Qld           m. 1910 Qld Mary Minnie SIPPEL b. 9 Jul 1892 Qld d. 12 Aug 1956 Qld           Father: Johann Friedrich SIPPEL            Mother: Anna Elisabeth NEURATH           3. Wilhelm Christoff BACHMANN b. 4 Aug 1891 Qld d. 6 Feb 1976 Qld           m. 1. Esther SIPPEL b. 8 Jun 1897 d. 18 Oct 1922 Qld           m. 2. Elsie Alvina LESCHKE b. 12 Feb 1910 Qld d. 24 Oct 1935 Qld           Father: August Wilhelm LESCHKE           Mother: Alvina Auguste KRAUSE           3. Marie Karoline "Mary" BACHMANN b. 31 Jan 1893 Marburg, Qld d. 6 Mar 1988 Bundaberg, Qld           m. 21 Oct 1914 Ipswich, Qld Edward Herbert BARRETT b. 8 Jun 1895 Ipswich, Qld d. 8 Aug 1960           Brisbane, Qld           3. Ludwig Heinrich "Henry"  BACHMANN b. 4 Aug 1894           m. 25 Apr 1914 Lily HOHNKE b. 1 Mar 1896 d. 11 Jun 1971 Qld ( I believe you told me before that this           couple were your grandparents. I have eight children for them in my files)           3. Otto BACHMANN b.13 Oct 1896                       m.  ??????           3. Charlie BACHMANN b. Abt 1896 d. 27 Sept 1898 Qld           3. - BACHMANN ( stillborn female)           3. Wilhelmine Johanna "Minnie" BACHMANN b. 5 Jan 1901 Qld d. 6 Oct 1988 Marburg, Qld           m. 11 Oct 1922 Marburg, Qld  Edward Albert GERBER b. 24 Feb 1900           Marburg, Qld d. 6 Oct  1947 Marburg, Qld           Father: Hermann Ferdinand GERBER           Mother: Rosa Pauline KLATT           3. Emma Elizabeth KRAUSE b. 13 May 1902 Qld           m. 25 Sept 1926  Qld Theodore William KRAUSE b. 7 Dec 1904 Qld d. 4 Aug 1970 Qld            Father: Albert Heinrich KRAUSE           Mother: Mary KOCH           3. Arnold Walter BACHMANN b. b. 14 Oct 1904 Qld           m. 6 Feb 1932 Elsie Mary STEGEMANN b. 13 Aug 1911 Qld d. 7 Nov 1994 Qld           Father: Heinrich "Harold" Friedrich STEGEMANN           m. Alma FELDHAHN           3.  Herbert Arthur BACHMANN b. 19 Sept 1907 Marburg, Qld d. 19 Apr 1976 Qld           m. 6 Oct 1931 Marburg, Qld Lily Bertha GERBER b. 20 Apr 1908 Qld  d. 15 Dec 1993           Father: Hermann Ferdinand GERBER           Mother: Rosa Pauline KLATT      2. Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 11 Sept 1864 Schmoelln, Brandenburg, Pussia d. 9 Mar 1931       Toowoomba, Qld Buried: 10 Mar 1931 Helidon, Qld      m. 1. Berthe Auguste Helene MULLER b. 24 Feb 1865 d. 21 Mar 1917 Dalby Hospital, Dalby, Qld      m. 2 Johanne Martha Elizabeth WILLMANN b. 11 Mar 1884      Father: Friedrich Wilhelm August WILLMANN      Mother: Johanne Marie Elizabeth RUTHENBERG      2. August Gottlieb BEUTEL b. 19 Oct 1870 Schmoelln, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 23 Jul 1959 Cleveland, Qld      m. Wilhelmine Friedericke REINHARDT b. 29 Aug 1882 Marburg, Qld d. 28 Jun 1959 Cleveland, Qld      Father: Carl REINHARDT      Mother Frederika BOBBERMIN      2. Marie Johanne Wilhelmine Augusta Marie "Mary" BEUTEL b. 872 Schmolln,       Brandenburg, Prussia d. 18 Jan 1952 Toowoomba, Qld      m. 11 Aug 1892 Walloon Qld Hermann Friedrich Wilhelm KAPERNICK b. 14 Sept 1871 Vierraden,      Brandenburg, Prussia d. 11 Jul 1959 Toowoomba, Qld      Father: Michael Friedrich KAPERNICK      Mother: Sophie Wilhelmine Emelie DIETRICH   Marie BEUTEL and Hermann Kapernick are my great-grandparents. I am focusing my research on the Kaperncik family at the moment but I am happy to share anything I have on living descendants privately. Regards Chris

Hello All Listers, Does anyone have info about Spring Farm I think it must be near or in the German station. My Gottfried Lange mentioned farming at Spring Farm in one of his letters to his son. Other than that they give German Station as their address. Many thanks Lorraine

Hi Anna Just seeing a message you sent to the south-east Qld list reminded me we had spoken regarding the BACHMANN family. I promised to send you information showing the connection between the Bachmann family and the BEUTELS and some of the Kapernicks- I already promised this some time ago. Here we go: 1. Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 19 Sept 1834 Schmoelln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 24 Jul 1913 Lilydale, Queensland, Buried: 25 Jul 1913 Helidon, Queensland m. Wilhelmine Johanne ROHUE b. Abt 1830      2. Wilhelm Friedrich BEUTEL b. 1859 Schmoelln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia      m. 23 Mar 1882 Marburg, Qld Augusta HOEPNER b. 1861 Stegelitz, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 8 Dec      1948 Brisbane, Qld, Buried: Kalbar, Queensland.      2. Wilhelmine Marie Elisabeth Beutel b. 29 Sept 1862 23 Schmoelln, Brandenburg, Prussia d.       23  Dec 1951 Marburg, Qld, Buried:  29 Dec 1951 Marburg, Qld      m. 20 Sept 1888 Brisbane, Qld Wilhelm Christoph BACHMANN b. Abt 1869 d. 8 Aug 1948       Marburg, Qld Buried: Marburg, Qld      Father: Christian Gottlieb BACHMANN      Mother: Wilhelmine KELLER           3. Frederick Wilhelm BACHMANN b. 10 Nov 1889 Marburg, Qld d. 20 Jun 1968 Qld           m. 1910 Qld Mary Minnie SIPPEL b. 9 Jul 1892 Qld d. 12 Aug 1956 Qld           Father: Johann Friedrich SIPPEL            Mother: Anna Elisabeth NEURATH           3. Wilhelm Christoff BACHMANN b. 4 Aug 1891 Qld d. 6 Feb 1976 Qld           m. 1. Esther SIPPEL b. 8 Jun 1897 d. 18 Oct 1922 Qld           m. 2. Elsie Alvina LESCHKE b. 12 Feb 1910 Qld d. 24 Oct 1935 Qld           Father: August Wilhelm LESCHKE           Mother: Alvina Auguste KRAUSE           3. Marie Karoline "Mary" BACHMANN b. 31 Jan 1893 Marburg, Qld d. 6 Mar 1988             Bundaberg, Qld           m. 21 Oct 1914 Ipswich, Qld Edward Herbert BARRETT b. 8 Jun 1895 Ipswich, Qld d. 8Aug            1960 Brisbane, Qld           3. Ludwig Heinrich "Henry"  BACHMANN b. 4 Aug 1894           m. 25 Apr 1914 Lily HOHNKE b. 1 Mar 1896 d. 11 Jun 1971 Qld( I believe before you told me           that this couple were your grandparents. I have eight children for them in my files)           3. Otto BACHMANN b.13 Oct 1896                       m.  ??????           3. Charlie BACHMANN b. Abt 1896 d. 27 Sept 1898 Qld           3. - BACHMANN ( stillborn female)           3. Wilhelmine Johanna "Minnie" BACHMANN b. 5 Jan 1901 Qld d. 6 Oct 1988 Marburg, Qld           m. 11 Oct 1922 Marburg, Qld  Edward Albert GERBER b. 24 Feb 1900 Marburg, Qld d. 6 Oct            1947 Marburg, Qld           Father: Hermann Ferdinand GERBER           Mother: Rosa Pauline KLATT           3. Emma Elizabeth KRAUSE b. 13 May 1902 Qld           m. 25 Sept 1926  Qld Theodore William KRAUSE b. 7 Dec 1904 Qld d. 4 Aug 1970 Qld           Father: Albert Heinrich KRAUSE           Mother: Mary KOCH           3. Arnold Walter BACHMANN b. b. 14 Oct 1904 Qld           m. 6 Feb 1932 Elsie Mary STEGEMANN b. 13 Aug 1911 Qld d. 7 Nov 1994 Qld           Father: Heinrich "Harold" Friedrich STEGEMANN           m. Alma FELDHAHN           3.  Herbert Arthur BACHMANN b. 19 Sept 1907 Marburg, Qld d. 19 Apr 1976 Qld           m. 6 Oct 1931 Marburg, Qld Lily Bertha GERBER b. 20 Apr 1908 Qld  d. 15 Dec 1993           Father: Hermann Ferdinand GERBER           Mother: Rosa Pauline KLATT      2. Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 11 Sept 1864 Schmoelln, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 9 Mar 1931      Toowoomba, Qld Buried: 10 Mar 1931 Helidon, Qld      m. 1. Berthe Auguste Helene MULLER b. 24 Feb 1865 d. 21 Mar 1917 Dalby Hospital, Dalby, Qld      m. 2 Johanne Martha Elizabeth WILLMANN b. 11 Mar 1884      Father: Friedrich Wilhelm August WILLMANN      Mother: Johanne Marie Elizabeth RUTHENBERG      2. August Gottlieb BEUTEL b. 19 Oct 1870 Schmoelln, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 23 Jul 1959      Cleveland, Qld      m. Wilhelmine Friedericke REINHARDT b. 29 Aug 1882 Marburg, Qld d. 28 Jun 1959 Cleveland,       Qld      Father: Carl REINHARDT      Mother Frederika BOBBERMIN      2. Marie Johanne Wilhelmine Augusta Marie "Mary" BEUTEL b. 872 Schmolln,       Brandenburg, Prussia d. 18 Jan 1952 Toowoomba, Qld      m. 11 Aug 1892 Walloon Qld Hermann Friedrich Wilhelm KAPERNICK b. 14 Sept 1871       Vierraden, Brandenburg, Prussia d. 11 Jul 1959 Toowoomba, Qld      Father: Michael Friedrich KAPERNICK      Mother: Sophie Wilhelmine Emelie DIETRICH   Marie BEUTEL and Hermann Kapernick are my great-grandparents. I am focusing my research on the Kaperncik family at the moment but I am happy to share anything I have on living descendants privately. Regards Chris

Hi Martyn, Qld State Archives have various online Brief Guides that may help you: www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/briefguides.asp. There are also 'Search Procedures'. If you mean 'Land Orders', have a look at the Brief Guide to IMMIGRATION records. Otherwise check out the various guides / search procedures for the many different types of land records. Good luck! Judy Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester QLD 4115, Australia http://qld-genealogy.blogspot.com/ http://genie-leftovers.blogspot.com/

Good morning, I am trying to chase the movements of an ancestor via the QLD State Archives Land Applications and unfortunately there several Muller immigrants in the same place at the same time. I haven't ordered any Land application orders before so I am curious if I order several that are of interest then will there be sufficient detail within the application to help me distinguish between the ancestor I want and the other chap of the same name?......or are the details just going to be first name, last name and plot of land? Best regards Martyn

Hi List As List Admin of this mailing list, I will not tollerate offensive emails. I do not have time to read every email, nor am I on line every day. When I received complaints about the first one, I sent an email to the offender. I logged on this morning, and more complaints and another offensive email. This list is for researching OUR German ancestors who settled in the SE corner of Qld - not to be spiteful. We are adults - please think before you respond. Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5924 (20110303) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hello David, The 'Erlangen' owned by the German Australian Steam Ship Company sailed from Hamburg 4th November 1893, arriving Sydney 12th January, 1894. On board was the Kummerfeld family - Johan 47 from Kisdork, Holstein, his wife Abel aged 50 from Kisdorf, Holstein, and son Ernst aged 15 from Kisdorf Holstein. Death Notice : "The Chronicle" dated Wednesday May 30, 1917 KUMMERFELD - On 29th May, at Maryborough, Abel, beloved wife of Johann H. Kummerfeld of Biggenden, aged 75 years. OBITUARY: We regret to have to announce the death of Mrs Kummerfeld, wife of Johann H. Kummerfeld, of Biggenden, which took place in Maryborough yesterday afternoon. The deceased was brought to Maryborough by train and conveyed to the Hospital, but died before being attended by the Medical Superindendent. Consequently the lady was removed to the morgue, where a post mortem is to be held. The deceased was a native of Kaltenkerchen, Germany, and came with her husband to the Burnett district in 1894, where she had remained ever since. She leaves a sorrowing husband and one son (August), who is resident at Biggenden. Maryborough Council Burial Records: Abel KUMMERFELD, aged 75 years, born Germany, buried Maryborough Cemetery, 31 May, 1917. Janet Hervey Bay

Hi Lyn Kartenmeister.com is indeed a valuable resource which I have used often. Another good resource is the East and West Prussia Gazetteer: http://www.progenealogists.com/germany/prussia/ This one is useful if you don't know the correct spelling to put into Kartenmeister. You can browse through to see if you can find something that sounds like your place name. Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lupton & Lyn Rushby Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 1:08 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] R AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 25 Through a Polish researcher, I came upon the following website. (You may have to cut and paste.) Very useful for those of us with ancestors in what was Prussia. Lyn http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseUwe.asp

Through a Polish researcher, I came upon the following website. (You may have to cut and paste.) Very useful for those of us with ancestors in what was Prussia. Lyn http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseUwe.asp 'Welcome to the most comprehensive database of its kind in the world. It contains 88327 locations with over 38.691 name changes once, and 5,500 twice and more. All locations are EAST of the Oder and Neisse rivers and are based on the borders of the eastern provinces in Spring 1918. Included in this database are the following provinces: Eastprussia, including Memel, Westprussia, Brandenburg, Posen, Pomerania, and Silesia. It currently list most towns or points, points being: Mills, some bridges, battlefields, named trees, cenotaphs etc. As more information becomes available, (books, maps, your input etc) this database will be updated. You have several ways or criteria to search. 1. German name 2. Older German name 3. Kreis/County 4. By the next larger town, (this is a proximity search.) 5. Today's Polish, Russian or Lithuanian name. 6. by Family Name'

Ancestry indexes....... Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Abel Kummerfeld Death Date: 29 May 1917 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: Hans Heinrich Lohse Mother's Name: Jensen Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: 002008 Page Number: 1114 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Ernest August Kummerfeld Death Date: 25 Aug 1950 Death Place: Queensland Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Abel Tohse Registration Year: 1950 Registration Place: Queensland Registration Number: B028603 Page Number: 1318 Regards, Kerry -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Grotherr" <grotherr@iprimus.com.au> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:26 PM To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > Well, we're back again, at the same old brickwall. > > Can some kind should add anything to this female from the Qld BMD, Deaths? > > 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich > > > Anything that may identify or eliminate her before I go off and buy > another > (wrong) death cert. I can't find any sign of a will. > > David > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16990) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Kerry. Proves, at best, that while the possibility exists there could be some sort of connection between them, there is no way she can be the woman I am looking for. Sad. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > Ancestry indexes....... > > Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 > Name: Abel Kummerfeld > Death Date: 29 May 1917 > Death Place: Queensland > Father's Name: Hans Heinrich Lohse Thanks ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17000) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

I concur with Gay's statement that 'generic' information shouldn't be used if more specific information is available ... in any area of our research. Provisioning varied greatly from ship to ship, era to era, etc. and was influenced by factors such as what shipping company or agent was involved, whether the ship was 'British' or 'Foreign' (different vessels operated under different statutes), the caliber of the Captain involved and whether the ship experienced unexpected delays as a result of bad weather, etc. (If a ship has been provisioned for a 24 week voyage and it actually takes 26, 28 or more weeks, that will obviously have an impact on even the best provisioned/disciplined ship.) With regards two of the three vessels/voyages I have researched extensively, the "Pauline" from Bremen to Moreton Bay via Sydney (arriv. May 1857) and the "Diana" from Bremen to Moreton Bay (arriv. May 1858), provisioning was, in fact, a real issue / point of contention, in terms of the quantity, quality and distribution, with complaints being made by the immigrants aboard these ships in both the English and German-language press, here and in Germany, to the Consul for Bremen, etc. after arrival. Complaints such as these, as well as those concerning a lack of segregated accommodation or medical personnel aboard, high mortality rates, physical abuse by crew, etc., were, in fact, the impetus for a (NSW Legislative Council) Parliamentary Inquiry into German Immigration in 1858. (Queensland not being a separate Colony at that point.) It's important to note that, even when the type and amount of provisions was stipulated, these were not necessarily met. For instance, for the "Fanny Kirchner" which arrived in Sydney from Bremen (but was registered to Oldenburg) in early 1858, the following was set as a weekly provision per passenger: Sunday: half pound beef, flour for pudding, dried fruit and, per eight persons, a bottle of wine. Monday: half pound pork, sauerkraut and potatoes. Tuesday: half pound beef, legumes. Wednesday: fish, legumes and potatoes. Thursday: half pound beef, thick rice with treacle and raisins. Friday: half pound pork, legumes and potatoes. Saturday barley with treacle and raisins. As well as, for every adult passenger per week: two ounces coffee, one ounce six drachms tea, four ounces sugar, half pound butter and five pounds bread, as well as salt, pepper, mustard and vinegar, as required. (All meat was salted and the 'bread' would be ship's biscuit.) However, the Doctor aboard the "Fanny Kirchner" stated during the Inquiry mentioned above, that there was 'deficiency in every kind of food', it was never given out in the quantity stipulated, never weighed ('some persons got more, and others less') and that, in addition, what food was apportioned was very badly cooked/prepared. The wine and sugar were never issued. (He further stated he had been informed that some of the women aboard had 'carried on an improper intercourse' with crew for the purpose of procuring food and that he had seen children who frequently 'picked out what was given to the chickens'.) Generally speaking, with regard to the ships arriving from German ports, the immigrants aboard those arriving in the 1860s experienced better conditions than those endured on earlier voyages, as shipping lines/agents, local authorities, etc. came under mounting public and State pressure to 'lift their game'. However, as Gay stated, immigrants' experiences differed greatly and it would, therefore, be prudent for us to find as much information as possible relating specifically to the conditions which prevailed on the ship of interest to us, rather than make generalizations or assumptions. Rgs Lisa

Thanks for alerting us to this program/find, Jim ..... fascinating, wasn't it? Rgs Lisa > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:02:16 +1000 > From: jimcrighton40@gmail.com > To: jmwuersching@bigpond.com; aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com; aus-qld@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Fwd: [AUS-MIL] WWI photographs > > forwarded from another list. > > > Hi Everyone, > > WWI photographs discovered in France - on Channel 7 tonight. > > http://www.theage.com.au/national/rescued-from-ruin-a-rare-glimpse-of-our-boys-at-war-and-at-play-20110226-1b9bf.html > > Cheers > > Jim, ...................................thanks Linda >

Thank you Jo. Thank you all. So that's that then. No cigar. Fascinating none the less. 'My' Abel came as noted, from Götzberg which is the next door village to Kisdorf, both at the time satellite villages of Kaltenkirchen. Both at the time with populations of less than 200 people. Those of you with Bundaberg roots may be interested to learn that, like 'Bundy' folk, the people of Kaltenkirchen shorten their town's name to 'Kalki', or as my g-grandfather, Reinke Grotherr, named his selection in 1871, "Kalkie". The name continued on to the sugar mill and plantation and now days the suburb. At least it was obscure enough to escape the censors in WW1. His sister Abel has disappeared after arrival, although she was shown as still living on her mother's death cert in 1897. Take care, and thanks David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo and Stephen" <jsbrennan@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > Hi David, > > Further to the information Jennifer has supplied - the death you are > enquiring about is recorded on Ancestry as:- > > Name: Abel Kummerfeld > Death Date: 29 May 1917 > Death Place: Queensland > Father's Name: Hans Heinrich Lohse > Mother's Name: Jensen > Registration Place: Queensland > Registration Number: 002008 > Page Number: 1114 > > > > This Biggenden, Qld family arrived on unassisted passage into NSW 12 > January 1894 per "Erlangen". Johann, Abel and Ernest (no ages recorded). > Port of departure Hamburg. > > Hope that helps a bit. Do you see the mother Anna's burial at Bundaberg > (pretty sure that's her???) > http://bundaberg.qld.gov.au/services/cemeteries/bundaberg/search?query=devenport&recid=1716 > > On the Trove site probate is granted to Reinke Grotherr, Woongarra Scrub, > near Bundaberg, sugar planter (The Queenslander, Saturday 15 May 1897 - > page 51) > > Jo > On 28/02/2011, at 9:26 AM, David Grotherr wrote: > >> Well, we're back again, at the same old brickwall. >> >> Can some kind should add anything to this female from the Qld BMD, >> Deaths? >> >> 1917/C2008 Abel KUMMERFELD Father - Hans Heinrich >> > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17000) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17000) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

David, the 1922 roll has no sign of Abel. QFHSdatasearch Version 1.8.0 by Queensland Family History Society Inc. >From [Commonwealth Electoral Roll (Queensland) 1922] database on 28/02/2011 ======================================================================= No : 512 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Sarah Jane Title : Place of Living: Woowoonga Occupation : home duties Sex : Female Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 375640 No : 511 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Johan Heinrich Title : Place of Living: Woowoonga Occupation : farm labourer Sex : Male Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 375639 No : 510 Surname : KUMMERFELD Given Names : Ernest August Title : Place of Living: Woowoonga Occupation : farmer Sex : Male Subdivision : Biggenden Division : Wide Bay ID : 375638 Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Grotherr Sent: Monday, 28 February 2011 2:43 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD Thanks so much Janet and Jennifer . The Bausite connection is the one I am trying to make. The age is about right (should be 72 or 73) Father's name on death cert is all wrong, if it's her, but that may be down to the informant. The Christopher Daniel Kummerfeld from the Bausite list died in Maryborough in 1870 but was step-father to the family. She was born Abel Grotherr, third of four children to Anna and Reinke Grotherr (Sr). It would not be the first time I have seen young females retain the name they entered the country with, for their lifetime; while their brothers revert to their actual father's name Unless by some dark coincidence she also married (de-facto?) a Kummerfeld. (I note that the Johann Heinrich Kummerfeld was also born Holstein, c.1849) I think thiswould be the only way to link her to the one in Biggenden. But what chance there would be two of that name pretty much in the same district? Is the Biggenden Abel still on the roll after 1917? Thank you for your kind offer, Janet, I can wait until Wednesday. It could prove interesting David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <jmartin17@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > > This is the only Abel KUMMERFELD that I can find - > > Abel KUMMERFELD aged 75 years, born Germany, buried Maryborough Cemetery > 31st May 1917

So, maybe one and the same ....or not. Do we have immigration details for Johann Heidrich KUMMERFELD? He is not coming up on the Archives site and I have misplaced my copy of Kopitke. Thanks David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <jcrockett@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Abel KUMMERFELD > David, the 1922 roll has no sign of Abel. > ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17000) http://www.pctools.com/ =======