ATTACHMENTS have been removed!! >From Chris Hi Lately, I have had lots of contacts via message boards, ancestry and genes reunited regard the BEUTEL family. There are about eight different groups coming from Brandenburg to Australia between late 1860s and late 1880s. Researchers that I have been in contact with and I think they are all related for a number of reasons. We have made headway tying the different groups and branches together, but more verification and work needs to be done, so I won’t post those details until fully verified. What I post will be what can be verified. I need to mainly focus on the Kapernicks but I have allowed myself until tomorrow night to gather my information together for some of these people. I also apologise for duplicate postings to different lists at once, but due to the fact of needing to get word out quickly it is the easiest for me at the moment. I will do a post on each of the groups. A lot of the BEUTELS in Australia are descended from the above couple. They had at least two children that came to Australia, but most likely three. 1. Johann BEUTEL b. 1784 Schmölln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussiad. 3 Feb 1869 m. Marie Sophie BUROW b. 1789 Battin, Brandenburg, Prussia 2. Christian Friedrich BEUTEL b. 21 Jan 1811 Battin, Brandenburg, Prussia m. 1837 Marie Christine EHRENBERG b. 1814 Schwaneburg, Prussia d. 23 Nov 1887 Lutwyche, Brisbane, Qld Buried: Bethania, Qld 2. Wilhelm Friedrich BEUTEL b. 1826 Schmölln, Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Prussia d m. 4 Nov 1844 Schmölln, Brandenburg, Prussia Marie Christine MEIER b.1821 It is probably best if I separate these into separate emails where I will deal with the children and grandchildren of each one. I will post these tomorrow. Anyone with BEUTEL connections please get in touch! Regards Chris

Thanks Judy Where would we find the records of Shepherds? Some folks are lucky they are at the Archives, so maybe we need to spend some time there going through the records not yet online VMA thanks Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Judy [mailto:raigmore@westnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2011 8:33 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] KADDATZ - 1872-1884 Lorrae I forgot to add when I gave August's Electoral Roll details that the Weinholt brothers owned Blythedale station at that period. They could well have been shepherds. I hope this helps Judy __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6035 (20110412) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks Kay Any help with the KADDATZ family is appreciated TIA Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Kay Gassan [mailto:wiseowl3@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Monday, 11 April 2011 7:53 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] KADDATZ - 1872-1884 Lorrae, Re your Kaddatz query. The Maryborough Family Institute put out a book on the voyages of the Reichstag about 10 years ago and I am redoing it as there are lots of mistakes in the names of the passengers. I have not been able to find any records of dispersion of passengers from the Immigration barracks for that voyage, although there is one voyage that does have these details but I haven't got the information with me at present. Kay Gassan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6035 (20110412) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks Janet VMA Where did this family go when they arrived? We know they ended up in Mackay but trying to get details of their time in Roma This is very much appreciated. Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Janet [mailto:jmartin17@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2011 7:35 AM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] KADDATZ - 1872-1884 No: 66 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: August Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Landmann Age: 38 Sex: m Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28338 No: 67 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: Auguste Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Frau Age: 41 Sex: f Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28339 No: 68 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: Gustav Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Sohn Age: 12 1/12 Sex: m Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28340 No: 69 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: Eduard Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Sohn Age: 8 Sex: m Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28341 The 'Reichstag' sailed from Hamburg on 20th April, arriving at Cape Moreton on 29th July, 1872 with 369 immigrants - all landed at Brisbane. There was 1 death and 7 births during those three months at sea. The passengers were taken up to Brisbane on the 'Settler' on August 1st, where most were taken to the Immigration Depot. This was the 2nd of 5 voyages that the 'Reichstag' made to Australasia. Janet __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6035 (20110412) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6035 (20110412) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Lorrae, If your Kaddatz family were at Blythedale Station in the late 1870's then you may be interested in this article from the "Brisbane Courier" newspaper. It gives a brief description of the property when it was offered for auction in 1881. I searched for references to the property a while ago because my Campbell great great grandparents were part of a family company which worked Blythedale in the early 1880's. Best wishes, Wendy http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/909001?searchTerm=Blythedale Brisbane Courier Thursday 24 November 1881 MONDAY, 19th DECEMBER. BLYTHEDALE STATION, MARANOA DISTRICT, QUEENSLAND. ETTERSHANK, EAGLESTONE, & MANN, In conjunction with Messrs. WM. SLOANE & CO., have received instructions from Messrs T. W. Brown it Co, to offer for sale by auction, at Menzies' Hotel, Burke Street, West Melbourne, on MONDAY", the 19th December, at Three o'clock, BLYTHEDALE STATION, Situated in the Maranoa District, Queensland, near the Township of Roma, containing an Area of about 130 Square Miles of first-class forest country of a very fattening description, suitable for either Cattle or Sheep, the latter having lately been bred there successfully. The improvements include good homestead, wool shed, store, stables, &c, also horse, wool shed, and other paddocks. The stock consists of about 20,000 Sheep, of mixed ages and sexes, of which 7000 are ewes now lambing 800 Head of well bred Cattle 120 Well bred Horses, including entire horse Robin. The Auctioneers have much pleasure in directing attention to this property, which ís rendered very valuable by its close proximity to Roma Railway Station, thus giving easy carriage for either stores or wool, and also offering unusual facilities for trucking fat stock to market. For further particulars apply to ETTERSHANK, EAGLESTONE & MANN, 43 Queen-street, Melbourne. 662S

Lorrae I forgot to add when I gave August's Electoral Roll details that the Weinholt brothers owned Blythedale station at that period. They could well have been shepherds. I hope this helps Judy > Hi List members > > I know I have asked this a long time ago, but in case we have more sources > now - > > I know their arrival - I checked the immigration records at the State > Archives > > KADDATZ August 38 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > KADDATZ Auguste 41 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > KADDATZ Eduard 8 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > KADDATZ Gustav 12 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > > I have not had time to look at these files. > Would they show who they worked for? > > > We are of the understanding that they went to Roma before settling in > Mackay. > > They are recorded as being in Mackay in 1884 (thanks to newspapers on > line - > http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper ) > > > How do I prove they went to Roma? > What records am I looking for? > > Were they shepherds or labourers for 2 years in Roma? > > > Any help on the 1872-1884 period would be gratefully appreciated. > > > > > > Lorrae J > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > > http://lorrae.net > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6029 (20110409) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3562 - Release Date: 04/10/11 04:34:00

No: 66 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: August Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Landmann Age: 38 Sex: m Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28338 No: 67 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: Auguste Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Frau Age: 41 Sex: f Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28339 No: 68 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: Gustav Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Sohn Age: 12 1/12 Sex: m Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28340 No: 69 Surname: KADDATZ Given Names: Eduard Town: Wilhelmshoff State: W. Preussen Standing: Sohn Age: 8 Sex: m Destination: Brisbane Ship: Reichstag Year: 1872 ID: 28341 The 'Reichstag' sailed from Hamburg on 20th April, arriving at Cape Moreton on 29th July, 1872 with 369 immigrants - all landed at Brisbane. There was 1 death and 7 births during those three months at sea. The passengers were taken up to Brisbane on the 'Settler' on August 1st, where most were taken to the Immigration Depot. This was the 2nd of 5 voyages that the 'Reichstag' made to Australasia. Janet

Lorrae, Re your Raddatz query. The Maryborough Family Institute put out a book on the voyages of the Reichstag about 10 years ago and I am redoing it as there are lots of mistakes in the names of the passengers. I have not been able to find any records of dispersion of passengers from the Immigration barracks for that voyage, although there is one voyage that does have these details but I haven't got the information with me at present. Kay Gassan

August KADDATZ appears in the "Queensland Government Gazette" 1875 at Blythdale, Roma as having the registered stock brand 'KA7' (Certificate No. 9306). He hadn't had a previous registered brand for either cattle or horses. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q. > > > Hi List members > > > > I know I have asked this a long time ago, but in case we have more sources > > now - > > > > I know their arrival - I checked the immigration records at the State > > Archives > > > > KADDATZ August 38 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > > KADDATZ Auguste 41 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > > KADDATZ Eduard 8 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > > KADDATZ Gustav 12 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > > > > I have not had time to look at these files. > > Would they show who they worked for? > > > > > > We are of the understanding that they went to Roma before settling in > > Mackay. > > > > They are recorded as being in Mackay in 1884 (thanks to newspapers on > > line - > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper ) > > > > > > How do I prove they went to Roma? > > What records am I looking for? > > > > Were they shepherds or labourers for 2 years in Roma? > > > > > > Any help on the 1872-1884 period would be gratefully appreciated. > > > > Lorrae J > > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > >

Hi Chris, I have now shown the information you have provided and again I thank you very much, as my friend Merv is only a beginner, I will give you all he knows. Hi father is Arthur who married a Adsett, and his grandfather is Henry Wieland who married a Ward, they lived in the Gin Gin, on the Burrum river, and connections at Gayndah. He is from a broken family with little records and photo's, maybe you can be of help. There is a family connection on his maternal side to my Bellert's. Kind regards Wayne -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schmidt Sent: Monday, 4 April 2011 9:15 PM To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Attn Wayne Bunning: MCLUCAS and connection with WIELAND, GREET, KACHEL and KAPERNICK Hi again McLUCAS family is naturally not German so maybe a bit off topic, but it marries into several German families. Here is what I have 1. John MCLUCAS b.1832 d. 29 Apr 1866 Churchill, Ipswich, Qld m. 13 Apr 1853 Knowhead-Muff, Donegal, Ireland Sarah Ann WATSON b.1829 Templemore, Ireland d.5 Nov 1901 Qld 2. William MCLUCAS b.26 Oct 1854 Bundamba Creek, Qld d.11 Jun 1905 Ipswich, Qld m. 15 Jun 1877 Ipswich, Qld Catherine MCBEAN b.? d. 12 Dec 1919 2. James MCLUCAS b. 30 Jan 1856 Bundamba, Creek d. Abt Feb 1856 Ipswich, Qld 2. James MCLUCAS b. 30 Jan 1857 d. 4 Feb 1857 buried: 5 Feb 1857 2. John MCLUCAS b.1 Mar 1858 Bundamba Creek, d. 13 Mar 1858 Ipswich, Qld 2. Joseph MCLUCAS b. 28 Feb 1859 d.5 Mar 1859 2. Robert MCLUCAS b. 24 Jan 1860 Bundamba Creek, Qld d.30 Jan 1860 Ipswich, Qld 2. Joseph MCLUCAS b.1Jan 1861 Bundamba Creek, Qld d. 29 Dec 1938 Pialba, Qld Buried 30 Dec 1948 Point Vernon, Qld m. Annie Melinda WIELAND b. 10 Jul 1874 Rosewood Qld d. 7 Jul 1941 Roma, Qld Father: Ernest Friedrich Wilhelm WIELAND Mother: Catherine Igena Christiane DIEDRICH 3. Rosie May MCLUCAS b.24 Jul 1895 Dugandan, Qld d.8 May 1961 Qld m. George William COPSON b.3 Mar 1890 Rushden, Northamptonshire, England d. 13 May 1942 3. Lucy Matilda MCLUCAS b.18 Oct 1896 Pentland, Qld d.1 Jul 1982 Qld m. 13 Jun 1916 Qld William REES b. 13 Apr 1888 d. 25 Mar 1957 Brisbane, Qld 3. Olive Jane MCLUCAS b.3 Mar 1899 Boonah, Qld m. - SEARLE\ 3. Ivy MCLUCAS b. 9 Apr 1901 Boonara, Qld, m. Jacob Deedrik KACHEL b. 22 Mar 1894 (Jacob is a son of Gottlieb KACHEL and Wilhelmine WIELAND- see previous email) 3. Joseph Edward MCLUCAS b. 29 Apr 1903 Milray Station, Qld d. 4 Mar 1988 Palm Beach, Qld m. 11 Aug 1926 Goomeri, Qld Eva Lillian O'Neill b.20 Apr 1908 Mirani, Qld d. 19 Sept 1987 Palm Beach, Qld 3. Robert William "Bill" MCLUCAS b.12 Jan 1906 Boonara, Qld d. 6 May 1977 Qld, Ipswich m. Leila Myrtle GREET b. 27 Jun 1906 Rosewood, Qld d.10 Dec 1994 Cleveland, Qld Father: William GREET Mother: Hermine Auguste Louise KAPERNICK ( she is my maternal grandfather's cousin) (Descendants in this branch include the names: GUYETT, SIMMONS, JOHNSTONE, MCINTOSH, BARTLETT, SCOTT,BARTLETT, BLISS, FRY, GAWLEY, EDMONDS, PETERS, & BROWN) 3. Daisy Louise MCLUCAS b.24 Nov 1907 Qld d. 23 Jan 1996 Qld m. 7 Mar 1930 Auster MCCLELLAND 3. Alfred Allen MCLUCAS m. Unknown 3. Lillian Melinda MCLUCAS b.31 Oct 1913 Maryborough, Qld d.28 May 2007 Kingaroy, Qld m. 1 Unknown m.2 Roy STEIN b.? d. 26 Apr 1986 3. - MCLUCAS 2. John MCLUCAS b. 28 Jul 1862 Bundamba Creek, Qld d. 31 Jul 1943 Millbong, Qld m. 1 Apr 1882 Agnes CRAIG b. ? d. 14 Feb 1937 Qld 2. Andrew "Andy" MCLUCAS b.10 Sept 1864 Bundamba Creek, Qld d. 8 Oct 1932 Wondai, Qld Buried: 12 Oct 1932 Wondai, Qld m. 12 Jul 1886 Millbong, Qld Mathilda Augusta "Amanda" WIELAND b.27 Aug 1867 Rosewood, Qld d.15 Jul 1947 Wondai, Qld (I have a little more information on this line if anyone is interested: names in descendants include WENCK, CHRISTENSEN, & GRAHAM) 2 Robert MCLUCAS b.1 Mar 1866 Bundamba Creek, Qld d. 31 Dec 1907 Wondai, Qld m. 16 Jan 1889 Sarah Ann REED b. 18 Oct 1870 Qld d. 12 Mar 1935 Wondai, Qld Buried: 12 Mar 1935 Wondai, Qld I hope this has all been useful, Wayne. I repeat more information on living descendants will be sent to your email. Now the Mullers. Regards Chris Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorrae August is on the Electoral Roll for Maranoa at Blythedale 1876 1877 1878 In 1879 he is at North Mackay. It may be also worth checking out School records for the children in the Roma district. Roma Historical Soc I have found to be very helpful in the past.Also try Toowoomba and Darling Downs family History Soc. Blythedale is between Wallumbilla and Roma..about 10 miles from Roma. Judy > Hi List members > > I know I have asked this a long time ago, but in case we have more sources > now - > > I know their arrival - I checked the immigration records at the State > Archives > > KADDATZ August 38 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > KADDATZ Auguste 41 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > KADDATZ Eduard 8 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > KADDATZ Gustav 12 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 > > I have not had time to look at these files. > Would they show who they worked for? > > > We are of the understanding that they went to Roma before settling in > Mackay. > > They are recorded as being in Mackay in 1884 (thanks to newspapers on > line - > http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper ) > > > How do I prove they went to Roma? > What records am I looking for? > > Were they shepherds or labourers for 2 years in Roma? > > > Any help on the 1872-1884 period would be gratefully appreciated. > > > > > > Lorrae J > Glenore Grove Qld 4342 > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich > > http://lorrae.net > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6029 (20110409) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > Archives - > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to > South East Queensland, Australia. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3562 - Release Date: 04/10/11 04:34:00

Hi List members I know I have asked this a long time ago, but in case we have more sources now - I know their arrival - I checked the immigration records at the State Archives KADDATZ August 38 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 KADDATZ Auguste 41 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 KADDATZ Eduard 8 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 KADDATZ Gustav 12 Reichstag 1 Aug 1872 IMM/114 234 Z1958 M1697 I have not had time to look at these files. Would they show who they worked for? We are of the understanding that they went to Roma before settling in Mackay. They are recorded as being in Mackay in 1884 (thanks to newspapers on line - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper ) How do I prove they went to Roma? What records am I looking for? Were they shepherds or labourers for 2 years in Roma? Any help on the 1872-1884 period would be gratefully appreciated. Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich http://lorrae.net __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6029 (20110409) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Anne I am replying via the list - does anyone know how to contact Maureen Arthur please? In 2004, she was at : From: "MAUREEN ARTHUR" < <mailto:mb@flisher76.freeserve.co.uk> mb@flisher76.freeserve.co.uk> Any help appreciated. I checked rootsweb, http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search for the name Youngnichkel, and had 71 hits, so hopefully, someone will be able to help Anne. Thanks Lorrae J Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich _____ From: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter & Anne Sent: Sunday, 10 April 2011 1:58 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-admin@rootsweb.com Subject: contacting Hello there, I am wondering if you can help me . I have been the roots web site, I punch in the surname of Youngnickel . I came across Maureen Arthur. I would like to contact Maureen about Anna Augusta Youngnickel, who married Herbert Ernst Gentner. They married 11 June 1914, Brisbane. Can you please tell me how I can contact Maureen please. Thanking you Anne P.S. I am on the mailing list.

The Chronicle, Wednesday, March 23, 2011 Page 8 - Local News. Reinke family set for reunion DESCENDANTS of Carl. F. Wilhelm Reinke and Louise Reinke (nee Kratzmann) will hold a reunion at the Goombungee showgrounds on Saturday, April 23. The couple sailed from Brandenberg, Prussia on the Indus with their 10 children and landed at Maryborough, Queensland on February 26, 1876. They later settled in the Meringandan area. The event starts at 9am with registrations. A thanksgiving service will be held at 11am with the official opening taking place at 11:30am with the cutting of the reunion cake. Family group photos will be taken at 1:30pm. A sausage sizzle will be held at 5:30pm with musical entertainment from 3pm to 7pm. Descendants are aked to bring along photos and memorabillia for display. For more information phone. {please email me for these private numbers if interested.}

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Thank you for your reply Chris. I am aware of the other MULLER family but not connected. My BERGHOFER line is the NSW branch arrived 1853 per Triton and 1855 per Willhelmsburg. The QLD BERGHOFER's are related quite a way back through sisters Anna Gertrude ALTHAUS and Elizabetha ALTHAUS parents Konrad ALTHAUS and Anna BERGHOFER. My family website http://berghoferfamilyaustralia.yuku.com/ MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt " <chrisschmidt@iinet.net.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Attn: Maragaret B - MULLER & Connections withBERGHOFER > Hi > > Yes, I do but that is a different MULLER family from the one I posted > previously. > > The MULLER family I posted is from Brandenburg area near Berlin, while > Wurttemberg is over the other side of the country covering the area that > once was Swabia. It broke into two Baden and Wurttemberg (two separate > kingdoms with two royal lines), and is now part of the modern day state of > Baden-Wurttemberg. Its where my dad's mum's family originated. > > I don't have any descendants for Johann and I have exactly what you have. > I > am not related to him, it is my habit to go back on lines that marry into > my > family. I do have some information on the Berghofer family if you are > interested that I can send and post to the list. There seems to be even > another family of MULLERS in Toowoomba that come from a different part of > Germany yet again- from Hesse- that is the descendants of Johann Heinrich > MULLER and Elizabetha IMHOFF. > > Regards > > Chris

ARTICLES ON GERMAN SHIPS Australians whose German ancestors arrived on one of the ships listed below may like to read the relevant article about the ship, its passengers and the resources for researching them. The articles by Jenny Paterson are published in the NSW family history journal 'Ances-tree'. Back copies of the journal are available for $5 each including postage in Australia from: The Secretary, Burwood & District Family History Group, c/o Burwood Library, 4 Marmaduke Street, Burwood NSW 2134 Australia. The title of this series of articles is: "German Immigrant Ships to Eastern Australia - Resources and Problems". It deals with the ships that brought government-assisted German families (vinedressers) to NSW from 1849 to 1856. Those published so far (March 2010) are: Part 1: Beulah 1849 (London to Sydney), in: 'Ances-tree' vol.16 no.1 Mar 2003. Part 2: Parland 1849 (London to Sydney), in: vol.16 no.2 Jul 2003. Part 3: Harmony 1849 and Balmoral 1850 (London to Sydney), in: vol.16 no.3 Nov 2003. Part 4: San Francisco 1852(Hamburg to Sydney),in: vol.17 no.1 Mar 2004. Part 5: Reiherstieg 1852(Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.17 no.2 Jul 2004. Part 6: Peter Godeffroy 1852(Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.17 no.3 Nov 2004. Part 7: Caesar Godeffroy 1852 Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.18 no.1 Mar 2005. Part 8: Johann Caesar 1853(Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.18 no.2 Jul 2005. Part 9: Helene 1853 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.18 no.3 Nov 2005. Part 10: Triton 1853 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.19 no.1 Mar 2006. Part 11: Undine 1855 (Hamburg to Sydney), in: vol.20 no.1 Mar 2007. Part 12: Cateaux Wattel (Antwerp to Sydney), in: vol.20 no.3 Nov 2007. Part 13. Caesar 1855 (Hamburg to Twofold Bay and Sydney), in: vol.22 no.1 Mar 2009. Part 14. Marbs 1855 (Hamburg to Moreton Bay), in: vol.22 no.2 Jul 2009. Part 15. Aurora 1855 (Hamburg to Moreton Bay), in: vol.22 No.3 Nov 2009. Part 16. Commodore Perry 1855 (Liverpool to Sydney including the stragglers on Boomerang and Blanche Moore to Melbourne), in : vol. 23 No. 1 Mar 2010. Part 17.Peru 1855 (Hamburg to Sydney) in: vol.23 no. 2 Jul 2010 Part 18. Wilhelmsburg 1855 (Hamburg to Hobart and Sydney) in vol 24 no 1 Mar 2011 In relation to Part 13, see also: Dr Middendorf of the Caesar 1855 and his long letter home', in vol.21 no.3 Nov 2008. Further articles are planned. There were a further 2 ships involved with this government-assisted immigration to NSW: San Francisco 1855 (Hamburg to Hobart and Sydney), Johann Caesar 1856 (Hamburg to Moreton Bay). Another series has been commenced: "German ships with no ship lists". So far there are three articles for these ships: Part 1: Fanny Kirchner and Wilhelm Kirchner from Bremen to Sydney 1858, in: vol.19 no.2 Jul 2006. By Jenny Paterson Part 2: Solon from Bremen to Moreton Bay 1859, in vol.21 no.2 Jul 2008. By Lisa Burton: Part 3: Diana from Bremen to Moreton Bay 1858 in vol. 23. no. Nov 2010 By Lisa Burton: Other articles by Jenny Paterson relevant to German research in 'Ances-tree'. Planned illegitimacy among German immigrants (the impact of restrictive marriage laws in the southwest German states in the mid 19th century in vol.20 no 2. July 2007. Website: 'Emigration from Southwest Germany' Auswandering aus Südwestdeutschland. in: vol. 19. no. 13 November 2006.(The Baden-Würtemberg emigration website and its current problems)

The "History of the German Community in the Clarence River District of NSW" by Geoffrey Burkhardt and Nola Mackey, Grafton Family History Centre 1999 (ISBN 0-646-37873-2) mentions Carl and Sussanna BACKES/BACKUS/BACCHUS. According to this source, the couple came from Hattenheim, Nassau, and arrived per "Armin" Sydney 1858 and are said to have had children, Catherine and 'Frances', with them upon arrival. (Sussanna was HEEPER nee STRASHAMER.) Carl worked initially as a tinsmith at Kirchnerstadt and then continued in his trade in Grafton. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q > From: lorrae@uqconnect.net > To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:59:45 +1000 > Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Caesar Godeffroy 1855 passenger list > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Jodie Worboys > Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 5:01 PM > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-admin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Caesar Godeffroy 1855 passenger list > > hi thanks for taking my inquiry but I am searching for my relatives Charles > & Susannah Backus/Bacchus/Bachus/Backs who arrived in Grafton before 1860. > They were married in 1854 in Nasaau Germany then left Germany for Australia > arriving before their 3rd child was born in 1860. > They may have had a child with them named Catherine or Francis. > > Thank you so much. > Jodie Worboys nee Backus > >

Hi Yes, I do but that is a different MULLER family from the one I posted previously. The MULLER family I posted is from Brandenburg area near Berlin, while Wurttemberg is over the other side of the country covering the area that once was Swabia. It broke into two Baden and Wurttemberg (two separate kingdoms with two royal lines), and is now part of the modern day state of Baden-Wurttemberg. Its where my dad's mum's family originated. I don't have any descendants for Johann and I have exactly what you have. I am not related to him, it is my habit to go back on lines that marry into my family. I do have some information on the Berghofer family if you are interested that I can send and post to the list. There seems to be even another family of MULLERS in Toowoomba that come from a different part of Germany yet again- from Hesse- that is the descendants of Johann Heinrich MULLER and Elizabetha IMHOFF. Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-qld-se-germans-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MargaretB Sent: 05 April 2011 22:54 To: aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] MULLER Hi Do you have a Johann Gottfried MULLER (1841 Wuerttemberg - 1927 Toowoomba) m: 1872 QLD to Katherina BERGHOFER (1854 Munchhausen - 1927 Toowoomba) daughter of Johannes BERGHOFER and Elizabeth FREYLING ? MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt " <chrisschmidt@iinet.net.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:25 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Attn Wayne Bunning: Daniel MULLER & Charlotte MOHNSand Connection with WIELAND, STEINHARDT, ZIGHIEN/ZECHEN, ZAHL,BERLIN, ZILLMANN > Hi again > > > > Now, this email will cover the MULLER family and its connection with > WIELAND > as well as the great MULLER family. Archives - http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans.html Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-QLD-SE-GERMANS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3551 - Release Date: 04/05/11

Hi Do you have a Johann Gottfried MULLER (1841 Wuerttemberg - 1927 Toowoomba) m: 1872 QLD to Katherina BERGHOFER (1854 Munchhausen - 1927 Toowoomba) daughter of Johannes BERGHOFER and Elizabeth FREYLING ? MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schmidt " <chrisschmidt@iinet.net.au> To: <aus-qld-se-germans@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:25 AM Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Attn Wayne Bunning: Daniel MULLER & Charlotte MOHNSand Connection with WIELAND, STEINHARDT, ZIGHIEN/ZECHEN, ZAHL,BERLIN, ZILLMANN > Hi again > > > > Now, this email will cover the MULLER family and its connection with > WIELAND > as well as the great MULLER family.