Lisa, thanks for putting this on the list. I am connected to the THIEMANN family and I have sent an email off to the address you gave. cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hello Clyde, I have a Herman NOTHDURFT married to Evelyn Elizabeth ZIMMERLE. Their Daughter Gloria NOTHDURFT married into my SHERIDAN line in 1960. Is this a connection that you are searching for? I also have a Trevor Mervyn NOTHDURFT married to Darlene Narelle SANDER in 1979. They have 4 children. Darlene SANDER tracks back to my TROST line. Your listing of who married whom, reads like a German who's who............in SE Qld. cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hello List Reposting my interest in the descendants of the following couple. George KLUCK b 16 Nov 1902 to Albert KLUCK and Pauline NEUMANN. Annie Winefred MACKRILL b 26 Mar 1898 to John William MACKRILL and Eleanor LUCAS. George and Annie married 21 Nov 1921 Annie Winefred is listed as the only living child of John William MACKRILL on his death certificate on 14 Jan 1915. Leonard Mackrill

Sorry John I think I am a little slow tonight. I think I am in need of my long week-end away. Are you looking for WEBBERS, BEHMs and JESBERGs from the Milbong, Mutapilly areas? I have four WEBBER and just one BEHM on my database but I do not have them related. No JESBERGs. sorry Can you provide any names for a time period as the daughters may have married into different families. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: john spiers [mailto:js4815@free2air.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2001 5:09 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: newbie coming on board let me introduce myself, John Spiers, related to Jesberg's, lately of Milbong,and mutapilly, the last jesberg ,by name, lived there ,last in circa 1950,if any readers have knowlege of the family, or the webbers,or behm's, who also resided in area and who are related, please communicate, with js4815@free2air.com.au

let me introduce myself, John Spiers, related to Jesberg's, lately of Milbong,and mutapilly, the last jesberg ,by name, lived there ,last in circa 1950,if any readers have knowlege of the family, or the webbers,or behm's, who also resided in area and who are related, please communicate, with js4815@free2air.com.au

I need assistance with Anger management. Can anyone help me sort out my Angers? Any information re. any of these would be appreciated to help me figure out if they're “mine’ and if so where they belong in the tree. ANGER Christopher KLUMPP Sophia Children: ANGER, Amelia Elizabeth d. 29 Dec 1982 ANGER, Sophia Ocena Flontina d.15 Jan 1936 ANGER, Sophie d.7 Oct 1923 ANGER Christopher Frederick YATES Florence Maude m. 21 Jan 1903 Queensland,Australia Children: ANGER, Sophia Maud b. 27 Jan 1904 ANGER George Frederick MOORE Isabella m. 26 Jun 1906 Queensland,Australia Chlidren: ANGER, Leslie b. 25 Mar 1913 ANGER, Robert b. 23 Apr 1911 ANGER George Knox WALKER Ellen Isabell m. 31 Jan 1934 Queensland,Australia ANGER John GROVES Henrietta m. 6 Nov 1925 Queensland,Australia BRANDON Thomas William ANGER Mary Magdelene Fanny m. 11 Jan 1888 Queensland,Australia CLAUSS Conrad Adam ANGER Mary Magdalina Christina m. 4 Nov 1890 Queensland,Australia OLIVER John ANGER Catherine m. 1 Oct 1895 Queensland,Australia SCOTT Peter Peterson ANGER Carolina Frederika m. 29 Dec 1905 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Alfred Charles b. 6 Nov 1925 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Charles Augustus d. 19 Sep 1905 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Charles Augustus b. 19 Sep 1907 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Johann Cristoph d. 22 May 1902 Queensland,Australia Thanks Janice N' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I need assistance with Anger management. Can anyone help me sort out my Angers? Any information re. any of these would be appreciated to help me figure out if their “mine’ and if so where they belong in the tree. ANGER Christopher KLUMPP Sophia Children: ANGER, Amelia Elizabeth d. 29 Dec 1982 ANGER, Sophia Ocena Flontina d.15 Jan 1936 ANGER, Sophie d.7 Oct 1923 ANGER Christopher Frederick YATES Florence Maude m. 21 Jan 1903 Queensland,Australia Children: ANGER, Sophia Maud b. 27 Jan 1904 ANGER George Frederick MOORE Isabella m. 26 Jun 1906 Queensland,Australia Chlidren: ANGER, Leslie b. 25 Mar 1913 ANGER, Robert b. 23 Apr 1911 ANGER George Knox WALKER Ellen Isabell m. 31 Jan 1934 Queensland,Australia ANGER John GROVES Henrietta m. 6 Nov 1925 Queensland,Australia BRANDON Thomas William ANGER Mary Magdelene Fanny m. 11 Jan 1888 Queensland,Australia CLAUSS Conrad Adam ANGER Mary Magdalina Christina m. 4 Nov 1890 Queensland,Australia OLIVER John ANGER Catherine m. 1 Oct 1895 Queensland,Australia SCOTT Peter Peterson ANGER Carolina Frederika m. 29 Dec 1905 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Alfred Charles b. 6 Nov 1925 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Charles Augustus d. 19 Sep 1905 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Charles Augustus b. 19 Sep 1907 Queensland,Australia ANGER, Johann Cristoph d. 22 May 1902 Queensland,Australia _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Albert I have a small booklet written by J.C. Heussler's g.g. (I think) grandson, Robert Heussler to commemorate the 140th anniversary of the arrival in Moreton Bay of J.C. Heussler and Frederic Altwicker, two German merchants in 1854. They traded as Heussler & Co. merchants, exporting wool, tallow and hides and importing wines, spirits and general produce. Heussler got the idea of also being agents for German farm labour. In 1855 Altwicker died tragically. A new partnership with Arthur Harvey began and the first group of German farm labourers arrived in 1857. After problems, Harvey left the partnership and George Reinhard Francksen stepped in. A few years later Heussler "applied successfully for an appointment as Emigration Agent for the Colony of Queensland on the Continent of Europe." This side of the business ended in 1866 when Francksen suddenly died and Heussler resigned as Emigration Agent in December of that year. In September 1866 he was appointed to the Queensland Legislative Council. I don't know what money was involved as there is no mention of money or fees in this booklet, but it is an interesting history of his many achievements since his arrival in Moreton Bay. Margaret Platt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Grulke <grulke@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Heussler & Francksen > I was wrong. > Please note that it won't be said too often. > I have for some years been under a false impression that a man J.B.Atkins > was an agent bringing Germanic migrants to Queensland. I have even said so > publicly. I was wrong. > James Atkins was a selector or pastoralist who had a property at Koowona or > named Koowona. He actually employed a number of migrants including Fred > Kummerow. > The employment agent was Heussler and Francksen. Apparently the constancy > team had set up business in either Toowoomba or Brisbane in the 1850s or > earlier. > Apparently settled German families would comes to them and pay them a fee to > organise for family members from Germany or Poland to join them. There would > be a fee plus fares and migration expenses paid to Heussler and Francksen > who would then go to Germany and organise the migration. > Likewise selectors or pastoralists and even business people in Toowoomba and > I assume Brisbane would approach these two blokes for labourers. He would > get the details of their needs and travel to Germany where he would seek out > suitable migrants and entice them to migrate. > Sounds like 'people smuggling' to me. > I always thought that Atkins and Lloyd were agents doing this work but have > made this discovery. > Hope I haven't told you something you already know but it has taken me three > years to find out this. > Any thoughts on this great revelation? Am I correct? > Albert Grulke > > ______________________________

Hi, thought I would try to research some branch lines from my BAYLEY family. Would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to the Bayley family who lived in the Maryborough area, I believe originally in "The Pocket". Regards Jenny Sunny Cairns

I am looking for further information on these families just to fill in some vacant spaces: Henriette BEIER: her birthdate and place & info on her parents Henriette (HARDT) & Martin Beier. Also brother's and sister's. Caroline ALBRETCH: her birthdate, place, parents, brother,s and sister's. Minnie BONESS (m) Friedrich ARNDT, anything on these families. Birthdate and place of: Friederike BREHMER..Herman BRUHM.. Ernestine Johann Christine KNUTH..Friederike SEEFELD..Johann Henriette ZILLMAN..Carl GOLINSKI & Wilhelmine HAHN..Carl Friedrich Wilhelm NECKER Snr & Friederike Charlotte KRULL..Traugott WOE..Wilhelm WOE & Friederike DENKMAN. .Christian Friedrich LUBACH & Ernestine WOE.. Gay & Bob Ritter I am also researchung GRULKE..SCHUNEMAN..RAETZ..OPPERMAN..KUMMEROW.. PINNOW..

Hallo list, today m,al an inquiry, in Germany, somebody searches in Australia after allied ones somebody can perhaps give a reference. The emigrant is: PORATH, Carl, Friedrich, August · 04. Mai 1815 in Spremberg/Nl · kirchliche Trauung am 05.09.1847 in Spremberg/Brandenburg/Prussia · mit: BALLE oder HALLE, Juliane, Henriette geb. Schulze aus Crossen/Oder/Brandenburg Emigration consensus became given am to 16.05.1855 PORATH was joiner master. He had twin sons: Carl Friedrich Hugo PORATH and Julius Gustav Paul PORATH, borne on 22.4.1851 in Spremberg/Brandenburg thanks greeting from germany Peter Woddow

Hi List, Didn't get a response to this so am reposting. Does anyone have the date of death please, just curious. Bev Tmba >Taken the the Queenslander, Brisbane, Saturday, November 3, 1894 > >Page 825 > >We Australians are almost accustomed to the prevision that leads a man to >secure his family lot in a cemetry in a good time, but it is something of a >novelty to find a worthy couple in sound health arranging all the details >for their egress from this world of care even to the setting up and >inscription of the tombstone. >In wandering round a little country cemetry the other day, in a locality in >which German settlers largely predominate, I was much interested by an >elaborate grave and headstone, apparently just completed. The stone bears an >inscription somewhat as follow:-- > > RUHE STADTE > Fur > HERMANN > PETER SCHULTZ, > Geboran in Holstein, > Germany > September 20, 1824 > -------------------- > > Und > CHRISTINA SOPHIA SCHULTZ, > Geboren in Prussia > May 28, 1828. > --------------- >The tombstone is of neat design, with pointed arch supported by Corinthian >pillars, and it is enclosed within iron railing on a stone base. The blanks >following the dates of birth are designed to be filled in later with the >dates of death. The old couple are living on a farm in the district, and are >supposed to have taken this precaution to save trouble after their deaths. >They perhaps have not too much faith in those who will come after them, and >desire to insure a fitting resting place. There must be a good deal of >comfort in knowing that one's last bed is all ready-- that one has only to >lift the coverlet, so to speak, and jump in. If there is any pleasure in >dying that old Teutonic couple should find it. " Put not your trust in heirs >" is evidently their motto. > >How about that. >Cheers >Bev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-QLD Mailing List ==== > Free Legacy Genealogy Software > www.audps.com > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi Beverly Not sure how much info you have on the Spann line, but would you have a Dorothea Spann who married a Friedrick Riek, they had a son named Wilhelm Fredrich Riek born 4 nov 1853 at Prenzlau. Regards Mark

Albert Interested to know from where you obtained this information. Do you think there are similar ones for other immigrant ships? "Land Orders" referred to parcels of land provided by the Queensland Government to the migrants. It was the carrot provided by the Government via their agent Huessler to attract them to Queensland. There is a card register of Land Orders at Queensland Archives. They can be quite useful in locating arrivals that might not appear in the passenger list cards for a variety of reasons. My GGF's name was spelt incorrectly in the passenger list cards and so the card was not where you would expect to find it. I found him via the Land Orders records. Cheers Warren *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 21/11/2001 at 3:41 PM Albert Grulke wrote: I found a document giving a story about the arrival of Frederick Kummerow in 1862 at Moreton Bay. The document raises some interesting questions and some other points of thought. Hopefully somebody out there can give me some information on this. I have produced this in three parts. The first raises the questions and thoughts coming form the document. The second is my own summary of what it says for my benefit but it may interest and help somebody out there. The third is a copy of the work contract. A number of people, have asked me for a copy so her it is. I have retained the spelling as it is on the document. It appears that the ship Caesar Godeffroy sailed from Hamburg on 1 November 1861. I find it interesting that the ship did not enter the Brisbane River. It anchored somewhere in Moreton Bay and the passengers and stores were transported into Brisbane by a steamer, the “Breadalbane”. The cargo interested me. What are/were “red cases Geneva”? What are/were ‘filtering balls?” I was intrigued with the terminology. “208 of the migrants ……. Are consigned to Messrs. Heussler and Franscksen here, while the remainder were consigned to Messrs. Raff & Co.” I thought they were people not a boatload of livestock or stores. Apparently they met a stranded ship off Cape of Good Hope and to describe that the reporter said, “reports have spoken”. Apparently this meant that he had made communication. In another comment that interested me he writes about how much effort Heussler had gone to make the Germans comfortable on arrival and says “a pleasant contrast to the treatment of recent arrivals from the mother country’. Further along he makes a statement contrasting the German arrivals to other with a comment “of our own countrymen and country women”. This seems to say something about how the authorities looked on our Germanic ancestors. Wonder how they would get on today. I noted that it took 11 days to disembark the 301 passengers. I noted that arrangements had been made for the accommodation of married couples, which I assume, meant the whole family. They also made arrangements for the single men but no mention of single women. Were there no single women on board? Interesting to note that not all were on contract. In other words a percentage had came on a chance of finding work and accommodation. I wonder how many. I assume that the 93 migrants not ‘consigned’ to Heussler were the free migrants. It also appears that some passenger were family members going to join migrants already here and living in the Toowoomba district. Obviously Germanic migration to the Darling Downs began long before 1860. Wonder when. I would love to know what “free board and lodgings in accord with the customs of the country” means. I note that adult hood was reached at age 12. Prior to that they child was not employable and only paid half fare and half price accommodation. I recall that into the 1920s a child could leave school at 12 years of age. How quickly we moved from 12 to 16 and I wonder if we are any better off. What has intrigued me is that the document states that a Shepherd or Farm labourer would be paid a wage of 104 to 208 pounds per year. However the migrants contracted were paid only 20 pounds for the father and 15 pounds for each child and wife per year. I note also that they paid 18 pounds each adult fare. This was paid for contracted migrants by the company and repaid by the migrant family during the first two years here. What were “Land Orders”? Some thoughts and observations from this document. Are there any other thoughts on this that you might care to share with me? I am doing some writing and more research on this aspect. Thank you one and all Albert Grulke in sunny cold Melbourne. The Caesar Godeffroy was a sailing ship of 428 tons owned by the Godfrey Shipping line and assigned to G. Raff & Co for the transport of Germanic migrants to Australia in the mid 19th century. Of particular interest is the journey of 1861 from Hamburg via Cuxhaven to Moreton Bay in Queensland. The ship left Hamburg on 25 October 1861 Cuxhaven (the mouth of the river) 1 November 1861 Crossed the equator on 5 December 1861 Passed Cape of Good Hope on 17 December 1861 Passed Van Diemens Land (Tasmania) on 16 January 1862 Arrived Moreton Bay (Brisbane) on 29 January 1862. 7 (1 adult, 6 infants) people died enroute 2 children were born enroute Heussler in Germany had selected 208 migrants. 93 were free migrants Near the Cape of Godo Hope they encountered a ship “E.C.Richardosn bound for Melbourne. It had picked up the passengers and crew of a ship ‘Eleanor” that had burned at sea and was taking them to the Cape of Good Hope. The Caesar Godeffroy anchored in Moreton bay on 29 January 1862. During the next 11 days the passengers and stores were transported up the river by a steamer, the “Breadalbane”. The ship left Moreton Bay on 17 February for Chile. This arrival of migrants caused a complaint to be aired in the press: Apparently a family Charles Schultz complained that what he got when he got here was not what he was promised in Germany. He complained that the wages were too low and the fares were too high. He said that his son Daniel was under 12 yet employed as a Labourer. He accused Heussler of swindling the migrants. Whether Schultz wrote the letter or some other ‘do-gooder’ is unclear. He does make some rather scathing accusations. There is also some allegation about a company Bischoff & Co who seem to be operating in Bremen which I assume is in Germany not Queensland. It appears that Bischoff & CO were the German agents while Heussler and Francksen were Queensland agents. It appear they were working in cooperation but Bischoff was lax in its processing so Heussler went ahead of them. Apparently this did not impress everybody. A copy of the agreement contract between C. Kummerow and his agent. These documents were private agreements between the heads of families and Agents appointed by the shipping company on behalf of employers in Queensland. "Memorandum of agreement made at Hamburg this 23rd day of October, in the year 1861, and on the behalf of Mr. James Atkins, of Koowona, on the one part, and Friederich Kummerow, of Tetzmick, now of the age of forty-three years, on the other part. Witnesseth that the said F. Kummerow agrees to proceed to Moreton Bay, in the colony of Queensland, by the ship Caesar Godeffroy, now about to sail from Hamburg, together with his family, and upon the said F. Kummerow arriving at Moreton Bay aforesaid, he agrees, for himself, and also on the part of his wife Louisa, now of the age of forty-seven years, and his child Frederick, now of the age of fifteen years, and his child Auguste, now of the age of nine years, to enter the service of the said Mr T.B. Atkins as farm laborer and shepherd, or to make themselves generally useful for the full term of two years, to date from the day following that of arriving at Moreton Bay aforesaid, and at all times to obey all the lawful and reasonable commands of the said Mr. T.B. Atkins or his agents. And the said Mr. T.B. Atkins, in return, for such services of the said F. Kummerow, his said wife, and his said children, well and truly performed, hereby agrees to pay him wages at the rate of forty-four pounds sterling per year, and to give them free board and lodging according to the customs of the country. And the said Mr. T.B. Atkins on his part agrees with the said F. Kummerow to advance and pay if desired by him to Messrs. John Cesar Godeffroy and Son, of Hamburg, or their agents, the sum of sixty-three pounds sterling, being the sum still required for the passage to Moreton Bay of the said F. Kummerow and his family. The said F. Kummerow agrees that such sum so advanced shall be considered as a part payment of wages, under this agreement, and shall be repaid to the said T.B. Atkins out of his wages, As the same become due, by two equal instalments, viz., at the end of the first and second year. In witness whereof, F. Kummerow, on his part, does sign and acknowledge the same, on the day and date before rotten. I hereby further acknowledge to have received this day from Mr. T.B. Atkins the above-mentioned sum of sixty-three pounds sterling, by which the costs of passage for myself and family have been paid. For JAMES B. ATKINS, (Heussler & Francksen.) FRIEDERICH X KUMMEROW. Witnesses: J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS, C. KUMMEROW. Wages commence on arrival at the station. The land-orders are to be credited Fred. Kummerow, at the market price on account of the passage money. HEUSSLER & FRANCKSEN. 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I found a document giving a story about the arrival of Frederick Kummerow in 1862 at Moreton Bay. The document raises some interesting questions and some other points of thought. Hopefully somebody out there can give me some information on this. I have produced this in three parts. The first raises the questions and thoughts coming form the document. The second is my own summary of what it says for my benefit but it may interest and help somebody out there. The third is a copy of the work contract. A number of people, have asked me for a copy so her it is. I have retained the spelling as it is on the document. It appears that the ship Caesar Godeffroy sailed from Hamburg on 1 November 1861. I find it interesting that the ship did not enter the Brisbane River. It anchored somewhere in Moreton Bay and the passengers and stores were transported into Brisbane by a steamer, the “Breadalbane”. The cargo interested me. What are/were “red cases Geneva”? What are/were ‘filtering balls?” I was intrigued with the terminology. “208 of the migrants ……. Are consigned to Messrs. Heussler and Franscksen here, while the remainder were consigned to Messrs. Raff & Co.” I thought they were people not a boatload of livestock or stores. Apparently they met a stranded ship off Cape of Good Hope and to describe that the reporter said, “reports have spoken”. Apparently this meant that he had made communication. In another comment that interested me he writes about how much effort Heussler had gone to make the Germans comfortable on arrival and says “a pleasant contrast to the treatment of recent arrivals from the mother country’. Further along he makes a statement contrasting the German arrivals to other with a comment “of our own countrymen and country women”. This seems to say something about how the authorities looked on our Germanic ancestors. Wonder how they would get on today. I noted that it took 11 days to disembark the 301 passengers. I noted that arrangements had been made for the accommodation of married couples, which I assume, meant the whole family. They also made arrangements for the single men but no mention of single women. Were there no single women on board? Interesting to note that not all were on contract. In other words a percentage had came on a chance of finding work and accommodation. I wonder how many. I assume that the 93 migrants not ‘consigned’ to Heussler were the free migrants. It also appears that some passenger were family members going to join migrants already here and living in the Toowoomba district. Obviously Germanic migration to the Darling Downs began long before 1860. Wonder when. I would love to know what “free board and lodgings in accord with the customs of the country” means. I note that adult hood was reached at age 12. Prior to that they child was not employable and only paid half fare and half price accommodation. I recall that into the 1920s a child could leave school at 12 years of age. How quickly we moved from 12 to 16 and I wonder if we are any better off. What has intrigued me is that the document states that a Shepherd or Farm labourer would be paid a wage of 104 to 208 pounds per year. However the migrants contracted were paid only 20 pounds for the father and 15 pounds for each child and wife per year. I note also that they paid 18 pounds each adult fare. This was paid for contracted migrants by the company and repaid by the migrant family during the first two years here. What were “Land Orders”? Some thoughts and observations from this document. Are there any other thoughts on this that you might care to share with me? I am doing some writing and more research on this aspect. Thank you one and all Albert Grulke in sunny cold Melbourne. The Caesar Godeffroy was a sailing ship of 428 tons owned by the Godfrey Shipping line and assigned to G. Raff & Co for the transport of Germanic migrants to Australia in the mid 19th century. Of particular interest is the journey of 1861 from Hamburg via Cuxhaven to Moreton Bay in Queensland. The ship left Hamburg on 25 October 1861 Cuxhaven (the mouth of the river) 1 November 1861 Crossed the equator on 5 December 1861 Passed Cape of Good Hope on 17 December 1861 Passed Van Diemens Land (Tasmania) on 16 January 1862 Arrived Moreton Bay (Brisbane) on 29 January 1862. 7 (1 adult, 6 infants) people died enroute 2 children were born enroute Heussler in Germany had selected 208 migrants. 93 were free migrants Near the Cape of Godo Hope they encountered a ship “E.C.Richardosn bound for Melbourne. It had picked up the passengers and crew of a ship ‘Eleanor” that had burned at sea and was taking them to the Cape of Good Hope. The Caesar Godeffroy anchored in Moreton bay on 29 January 1862. During the next 11 days the passengers and stores were transported up the river by a steamer, the “Breadalbane”. The ship left Moreton Bay on 17 February for Chile. This arrival of migrants caused a complaint to be aired in the press: Apparently a family Charles Schultz complained that what he got when he got here was not what he was promised in Germany. He complained that the wages were too low and the fares were too high. He said that his son Daniel was under 12 yet employed as a Labourer. He accused Heussler of swindling the migrants. Whether Schultz wrote the letter or some other ‘do-gooder’ is unclear. He does make some rather scathing accusations. There is also some allegation about a company Bischoff & Co who seem to be operating in Bremen which I assume is in Germany not Queensland. It appears that Bischoff & CO were the German agents while Heussler and Francksen were Queensland agents. It appear they were working in cooperation but Bischoff was lax in its processing so Heussler went ahead of them. Apparently this did not impress everybody. A copy of the agreement contract between C. Kummerow and his agent. These documents were private agreements between the heads of families and Agents appointed by the shipping company on behalf of employers in Queensland. "Memorandum of agreement made at Hamburg this 23rd day of October, in the year 1861, and on the behalf of Mr. James Atkins, of Koowona, on the one part, and Friederich Kummerow, of Tetzmick, now of the age of forty-three years, on the other part. Witnesseth that the said F. Kummerow agrees to proceed to Moreton Bay, in the colony of Queensland, by the ship Caesar Godeffroy, now about to sail from Hamburg, together with his family, and upon the said F. Kummerow arriving at Moreton Bay aforesaid, he agrees, for himself, and also on the part of his wife Louisa, now of the age of forty-seven years, and his child Frederick, now of the age of fifteen years, and his child Auguste, now of the age of nine years, to enter the service of the said Mr T.B. Atkins as farm laborer and shepherd, or to make themselves generally useful for the full term of two years, to date from the day following that of arriving at Moreton Bay aforesaid, and at all times to obey all the lawful and reasonable commands of the said Mr. T.B. Atkins or his agents. And the said Mr. T.B. Atkins, in return, for such services of the said F. Kummerow, his said wife, and his said children, well and truly performed, hereby agrees to pay him wages at the rate of forty-four pounds sterling per year, and to give them free board and lodging according to the customs of the country. And the said Mr. T.B. Atkins on his part agrees with the said F. Kummerow to advance and pay if desired by him to Messrs. John Cesar Godeffroy and Son, of Hamburg, or their agents, the sum of sixty-three pounds sterling, being the sum still required for the passage to Moreton Bay of the said F. Kummerow and his family. The said F. Kummerow agrees that such sum so advanced shall be considered as a part payment of wages, under this agreement, and shall be repaid to the said T.B. Atkins out of his wages, As the same become due, by two equal instalments, viz., at the end of the first and second year. In witness whereof, F. Kummerow, on his part, does sign and acknowledge the same, on the day and date before rotten. I hereby further acknowledge to have received this day from Mr. T.B. Atkins the above-mentioned sum of sixty-three pounds sterling, by which the costs of passage for myself and family have been paid. For JAMES B. ATKINS, (Heussler & Francksen.) FRIEDERICH X KUMMEROW. Witnesses: J.C. HEUSSLER, N.F. BALLIS, C. KUMMEROW. Wages commence on arrival at the station. The land-orders are to be credited Fred. Kummerow, at the market price on account of the passage money. HEUSSLER & FRANCKSEN. Moreton Bay, 10th February, 1862.

I was wrong. Please note that it won't be said too often. I have for some years been under a false impression that a man J.B.Atkins was an agent bringing Germanic migrants to Queensland. I have even said so publicly. I was wrong. James Atkins was a selector or pastoralist who had a property at Koowona or named Koowona. He actually employed a number of migrants including Fred Kummerow. The employment agent was Heussler and Francksen. Apparently the constancy team had set up business in either Toowoomba or Brisbane in the 1850s or earlier. Apparently settled German families would comes to them and pay them a fee to organise for family members from Germany or Poland to join them. There would be a fee plus fares and migration expenses paid to Heussler and Francksen who would then go to Germany and organise the migration. Likewise selectors or pastoralists and even business people in Toowoomba and I assume Brisbane would approach these two blokes for labourers. He would get the details of their needs and travel to Germany where he would seek out suitable migrants and entice them to migrate. Sounds like 'people smuggling' to me. I always thought that Atkins and Lloyd were agents doing this work but have made this discovery. Hope I haven't told you something you already know but it has taken me three years to find out this. Any thoughts on this great revelation? Am I correct? Albert Grulke

I have a document here which very specifically gives the German town of origin as TETZNICK. Everything else I have including a map shows a place PETZ NICK. I am guessing they are the same place. Am I right. Albert Grulke in sunny beautiful Melbourne ready to get us into the World Cup.

Hi, are there more MANTEITs you know about? I have a Dorothy MANTEIT who married Bill GEITZ, son of my aunt Auguste GEITZ, nee JAGODE/HAMANN, born 1888 in Towoomba. Gruss Tina > Re Schultz: > Thanks to Barry Schultz for letting us know of his > family which will help my records of Darling downs > cemeteries. I have the following information: > a. Carl Friedrich SCHULTZ is buried in Cabarlah > cemetery near August SCHULTZ who died 11 November 1888 > aged 30 years. August is not mentioned in Cabarlah's > burial register but is a memorial inscription record. > b. Eileen May SCHULTZ b. 9 Feb 1915 died either 21 Aug > 1915 or 19 Jul 1915 (conflicting records from two > different sources)and is buried in Evergreen. She is a > daughter of Heironymous SCHULTZ and Sophia Maria > MANTEIT (in my part of the Downs, this is pronounced > MONTY) who is variously called MONTEY or MANTEY as > well as MANTEIT. > c. Eileen SCHULTZ had at least three brothers, Vincent > Ernest b. 29 Jul 1917, Bernard Paul b. 4 Oct 1911 and > MARTIN who died on 14 Feb 1926. I can find no birth > record for him so I don't know his age. Martin SCHULTZ > is buried in Evergreen. His parents on the Qld BDMs > are listed as Heironymous SCHULTZ and Sophia Maria > MANTEIT. He does not have a headstone and neither > does Eileen. > Jan Veacock > Researching Darling Downs Cemeteries > janmveacock@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > -- ---------------------------------- Bettina Kolb GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

Hi Bev Bev Kerlin wrote: > > The other Anna Elizabeth ALTHAUS b 01.10.1890 d 15.04.1909 was a sister to > Jacob ALTHAUS, the spouse of Katherine Elizabeth "Kit" HEINER, and Paul > Heinrich Johann ALTHAUS, the spouse of Maria Katherina HEINER. Now Daph, > please don't tell me these are incorrect too, because they all come from > that printout dated 13 August 2001. Bev - all of this information is correct, with the exception of the death date of Anna Elizabeth ALTHAUS. The Anna ALTHAUS who died 15 Apr 1909 was Anna ALTHAUS (nee KRIEG) the grandmother of Anna Elizabeth b 1/10/1890. Anna KRIEG was born 30 Sep 1830 Munchhausen, died 15 Apr 1909 Queensland, and buried 17 Apr 1909 Toowoomba Drayton Cem. She married Anna Elizabeth's grandfather Paul ALTHAUS. Toowoomba Cemetery records also have the burial of an Anna ALTHAUS on 28 Feb 1954 - this is possible Anna Elizabeth b 1890, but I wouldn't swear to this one!! I was unable to find a monumental index to prove or disprove this, and the Q'ld BDMs don't extend to 1954. Daph

Hullo Beverly, I have Adolph George Carl SPANN married to Beatrice Louise Mabel HENKEY, 25 June 1919. Would he be connected to August Carl Gottleib SPANN born about 1863? Regards, Wendy ---------- >From: "Beverly" <pussims@cableONE.net> >To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: DESJARDINS - QLD >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 5:45 PM > >Hello Keith, I have an Auguste Louise Ernestine DESJARDINES married to >Charles William SCHMIDT on 24 Jul 1913. >I have August Carl Gottleib SPANN born about 1863 in Ipswich married 15 Dec >1887 to Auguste Albertine Wilhelmina SCHMIDT. >I have William ZAHNOW born about 1867 in Ipswich married to Anna Bertha >SCHMIDT but have no marriage date for these people. > >these SCHMIDT's are all descendants of WILHELM or Vilhelm SCHMIDT who hails >from Pinnow in Pommern and he married into the LOFF family from Kasekow or >Casekow which is not far from Pinnow and Hohenselchow. They are then >ultimately connected to my TROST family from Hohenselchow. All these small >towns/villages are about 5km apart and all are/were in Kreis RANDOW now >Kreis Angemunde. > >Hope this helps........... >cheers, Beverly. > >p.s. there are variations in the name spellings I am sure but the spellings >of the names you give are close enough to be the same family. >It makes me wish for the thousandth time that there was a standardisation in >name spellings......... > > >Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least >you get a free trip around the sun....... >So wear a hat and enjoy the ride! > > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >