Dear Albert, Ever since my computer got infected by the Bad Trans Virus, I have had 'fun and games' trying to get the miserable thing off my computer. Still do not know if it has been removed - it keeps popping up and I have done all that the Virus Program asked. I also would like to add that there have been hundreds of bounced messages on my computer from the SEQ Germans. Perhaps if we wait a few days or even two weeks and then try again to see if we can contact each other. I decided to post this message to the list for two reasons: 1. it seemed less likely that it would bounce away from your computer and into cyberspace........ 2. I am sure that there are other people on the list who are having as much trouble as I am............and I wanted to let them know that we just have to ride this one out. sorry that your notes have been kicked back - I wonder how many of the emails i have sent out will make it? cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

The brother of my g grandmother, surname Gegenwart(h), came to Australia with his mother and step-father (to be), all wrongly listed as Lipp, and later married under the name Ward. All this was a long time before the war, so I can only presume he anglicised his name because its pronunciation posed problems here. (After a long time searching, I am grateful to both Les Moreland and Jenny Paterson for their help in proving these name 'changes'.) My only problem now is - what happened to his mother (Margaretha) and her second husband, Georg Liebler? They seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Cheers Marionne

Hi Jill, Remember me... I think you may have a couple of things mixed up here I think. Probably the easiest way for you to check is if I send you a GEDCOM of my research. It is quite extensive, so sorry about the file size. This sounds like my MULLER line and OUR BERLIN side. In summary - Christian Friedrich MULLER (b20.10.1833 Bagemuhl d. 10.11.1915 Engelsberg) married Dorothea Louise MOHNS (b. 3.7.1836 Bagemuhl d. 4.9.1905) Children were - Frederike Wilhelmine Ernestine (my GGGmother) Maria Magdelene Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Charlotte Friedrike Wilhelmine Anna Marie August Ferdinand Friedrich Wilhelm August Friedrich Wilhelm The Anna Maria MULLER who you have below is actually from another MULLER line. Her parents are August Johann Christian MULLER & Auguste Louise Albertine PETER from Schmolln Prussia. Annie MULLER married Friedrich Wilhelm Carl BERLIN - son of Christian Friedrich. Sarah Elizabeth MULLER is another line again. I do not have any information on her family though. A lot of this is 3rd hand so still requires verification, but it came from several researchers and matched up. There are still lots of gaps and grey areas though. Regards, Kerry Muller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill TUMES" <tumesrj@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Müller Does anyone have connections with the following descendants of Christian Müller c 1827 and his wife Friedericke Louise Mellentin c 1829 - 4.11.1910? They came with 5 children from Bagemühl, Prenslau, Preussen. 1. Friedrich Müller b 1851 2. Friedericke Müller b 1852 married William Zighien ( Zechen, Zighein, Zeihin, Zichien, Zichein, Zechin) Chn:1. Auguste b 1876 d 1877; 2. John Friedrich b 1878 m Ellie Wilhelmine Albertine Breitkreutz; 3. Sarah b 1880 m Heinrich Wilhelm Berlin; 4. Wilhelm b 1882 ?m Louisa Neumann; 5. George b 1887. 3. August Müller b 1854 d 30.6.1865 4. Wilhelmine ( Minnie) Müller b 1856 m Carl Zahl Chn Agnes, Annie, Elizabeth, John Priscilla, Rachel, Sarah. 5. Sarah Elizabeth Müller b 1862 m Christian Berlin b 1854 6. Anna Maria Louisa Müller b 6.9.1869 d 24.9.1939 m Frederick Wilhelm Berlin b 23.3.1862 d 21.4.1940. Jill TUMES. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

> Jill was actually the first person who got me involved in this acutely > addictive research we are all obsessed with. Hi Kerry, I hope Melanie and the 10 horses and 3 cats still get some attention!!! Jill Tumes.

Peter, I am interested to know if your BERLIN ancestors connect to our Christof BERLIN who married Charlotte Louise SCHMIDT. They were the parents of Christian Frederick BERLIN b 5.10.1822 Fergitz, Brandenburg , Preussen. Jill TUMES.

Does anyone have connections with the following descendants of Christian Müller c 1827 and his wife Friedericke Louise Mellentin c 1829 - 4.11.1910? They came with 5 children from Bagemühl, Prenslau, Preussen. 1. Friedrich Müller b 1851 2. Friedericke Müller b 1852 married William Zighien ( Zechen, Zighein, Zeihin, Zichien, Zichein, Zechin) Chn:1. Auguste b 1876 d 1877; 2. John Friedrich b 1878 m Ellie Wilhelmine Albertine Breitkreutz; 3. Sarah b 1880 m Heinrich Wilhelm Berlin; 4. Wilhelm b 1882 ?m Louisa Neumann; 5. George b 1887. 3. August Müller b 1854 d 30.6.1865 4. Wilhelmine ( Minnie) Müller b 1856 m Carl Zahl Chn Agnes, Annie, Elizabeth, John Priscilla, Rachel, Sarah. 5. Sarah Elizabeth Müller b 1862 m Christian Berlin b 1854 6. Anna Maria Louisa Müller b 6.9.1869 d 24.9.1939 m Frederick Wilhelm Berlin b 23.3.1862 d 21.4.1940. Jill TUMES.

I was interested to read about the variations in the speellings of some surnames. This can cause a hell of a lot of problems in research as I have found out..... My Prussian Ancestors that came to Australia on the "Eugenie" in 1873 were Ignatz ZELINSKI and Anna KUGASKI. They then settled in Tarampa. ZELINSKI has been found under records under the various variations ZIELINSKI ZIELINSKY ZELIMSKIE ZELINSKE GELINSKI GOLINSKI CHELINSKI Makes it hard checking records certainly...The GELINSKI GOLINSKI surname seems that it may have been due to the Z's being written down to look like G's...I am reliably informed there is one part of the family who still use the name GOLINSKI however i havent been able to tie them in yet. My great great great Grandmother Anna KUGASKI is a bigger headache...I am not certain that is her correct surname it has been written as KUGASKI KUGANSKY Hannah KUGASKI KOYAFSKI CRUARSKI KAJEWSKI KUJAWSKA I guess since a lot of government officials also transcribed details how they were phonetically sounded would cause the differences as well as Ignatz supposedly being unable to read or write...... Anyway I point to note when researching those long lost Prussians Glen Hall from a warm Pleystowe NQ www.geocities.com/hallybum/index.html

Hi Peter, Christian Friedrich Wilhelm BERLIN was born in Fergitz, Uckermark, and when he left Germany the ships records said he was from Blankenburg. His wife was Wilhelmine Auguste STRASSBURG and she was born in Blankenburg. They were married in about 1850 in Blankenburg as well. Regards, Kerry Muller Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Woddow" <p.woddow@t-online.de> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: family Berlin > > > > > 1. CHRISTIAN FREDERICK2 BERLIN was born 5 October 1822 in > Brandenburg, > > > Hello, > > where is Christian borne Friedrich Berlin in the country or the city > Brandenburg? > I have the family Berlin in my ancestor line from Falkenhagen in the > ring Prenzlau. > The name Berlin gives it much in the northern Uckermark, Schlepkow, > Hetzdorf and Jagow. > They were mostly from the profession shepherd. > > > greetings from germany > > Peter Woddow > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >

Hi All, I have a few gaps in the MULLER side, so if someone could possibly check the following in BDM's any information would be appreciated. The information I have below was passed on to me 3rd hand and I would like to verify and hopefully obtain some more information - it is a very tricky one. My GGfather was - MULLER, Herman; b. 13 June, 1884 Rosewood Scrub, d. 22nd July, 1965 Kalinga (I understand birth was registered as MOHNS as he was illegetimate) married 3 times (I think) STIBBE, Annie Wilhelmine 12 Jan 1903 (my GG mother) MULLER, Louise Elizabeth 26 July, 1915 (they were also first cousins once removed) FREIER, Maude May 18 July 1962 I do not know Herman's father, and mother was - MULLER, Friederike Ernestine Wilhelmine b. 21 Apr 1826 Bagemuhl, Uckermark d. 2 Feb 1947 (once again, Ricka was illegitimate and may have gone under HER mothers maiden name of MOHNS). She married James Rodgers BROWN 21 Jul 1886 In summary - Christian Friedrick Wilhelm MULLER came to Australia with Dorothea Luise MOHNS in 1884. Dorothea's illigitemate daughter prior to marraige with Christian was Friedericke Ernestine Wilhelmine MOHNS/MULLER Friedericke's illegitemate son prior to marraige with James Rodgers BROWN was Herman MOHNS/MULLER who was my GGfather. He used the name MULLER & MILLER My Grandparents used MULLER. Told you it was a tricky one. Kerry Muller Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Lorrae Johnson" <taj@uq.net.au> To: "Mr Kerry Muller" <kmm@ihug.com.au> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: RE: BDM Look-up > Kerry > > Post your specific request to the list and one of us will get the answer for > you. I have access to Qld BDM until 1889, but others have later ones. Some > also have interstate BDMs. > > Just email the list with what you are looking for and see if we can help. > > Happy hunting. > > > Lorrae Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr Kerry Muller [mailto:kmm@ihug.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 3:16 PM > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: BDM Look-up > > > Hi All, > > Was wondering if anyone out there would be kind enough to do a look up for > me. I have a few grey areas I am keen to clarify, but my work is inhibiting > me from being able to get much time for research. > > Many thanks, > > Kerry Muller > > >

Thanks Lorrae, The information Jill Tumes has, I already have. I was trying to get some more feedback on the name in the hope I would stumble across something new. Jill was actually the first person who got me involved in this acutely addictive research we are all obsessed with. Jill was a wonderful help to me in my early days of research. Kerry Muller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Lorrae Johnson" <taj@uq.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: RE: BERLIN > Hi Kerry > > Jill Tumes from SA was researching this family. This is the beginning of > the information I had receved from her - some of the descendants are listed > in various Family Books - see below for list of some references. > > 1. CHRISTIAN FREDERICK2 BERLIN was born 5 October 1822 in Brandenburg, > Preussen. He married WILHELMINE AUGUSTE STRASBURG 1850 in Prussia, daughter > of WILHELM STRASBURG. Arrival: 12 January 1866 "WANDRAHAM" > > Children of CHRISTIAN BERLIN and WILHELMINE STRASBURG are: > i. WILHELM THOMAS3 BERLIN, b. 17 October 1851, Prussia; d. 12 November > 1942; m. (1) WILHELMINE DOMROW, 2 April 1875, Ipswich, Qld, Aust; m. (2) > ELEANOR ANNIE HOGG, 1899. > ii. CHRISTIAN BERLIN, b. 1854; m. SARAH ELIZABETH MULLER, 26 September > 1878, Qld, Aust. > iii. WILHELMINE BERLIN, b. 1856, Prussia; m. FREDERICK DOMROW, 25 November > 1874, Qld, Aust. > iv. CARL FRIEDERICH WILLIAM BERLIN, b. 1859, Prussia; m. BERTHA MARIA > CHARLOTTE MAIBUSCH, 29 February 1884, Qld, Aust. > v. FREDERICK WILHELM CARL BERLIN, b. 22 March 1862, Brandenburg, Preussen; > m. ANNIE MULLER, 11 December 1885, Qld, Aust. > vi. AUGUSTE BERLIN, b. November 1864, Prussia; d. 16 June 1866, Qld, Aust. > vii. JOHANN AUGUST WILHELM BERLIN, b. 3 December 1867, Qld, Aust; m. > MATHILDE SCHULZ. > viii. HEINRICH FRIEDRICH BERLIN, b. 25 November 1871, Qld, Aust; m. AUGUSTE > EMILIE KRAATZ. > > > > 1. AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L, "Electronic," <tumesrj@primus.com.au>, Jill Tumes, > Adelaide. > 2. Joyce Scholl, KUSS Kin, (1986). > 3. Pam Beutel, HAUSCHILDT Heritage, Supplement 1866-1996, (1996). > 4. Trevor Josefski, MARSCHKE 1796-1992, (1992). > 5. Cecil H Sempf, SEMPF, ("Why Australia" History of the SEMPF Families > in Australia 1871-1991). > 6. R A Scanlan (Dick), SCANLAN Story - Ireland to Australia 1866, (4 Nov > 1990). > 7. ZISCHKE-GHOLK Family Tree, (1984). > 8. Max and Gwen Kleidon, KLEIDON's in Australia 1882-1986, (1986). > > I have copies of most of these and would be happy to do lookups for you. > > Lorrae Johnson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr Kerry Muller [mailto:kmm@ihug.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 4:28 PM > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: BERLIN > > > Hi all, > > I think we have had enough problems with viruses now. Lets get back to some > serious research. > > I was wondering if anyone out there has any information on the BERLIN family > who originally settled in Tallegalla and then Marburg, Qld. > >From what I can find out, all Berlin's appear to be all descended from the > one family who came to Australia on the Wandrahm which arrived 12th January, > 1866. > > BERLIN, Christian Friedrich b. 7th Oct 1822 Fergitz, Prussia; d. 27th Mar > 1903 Tallegalla, Qld > married abt 1850, Blakenburg, Prussia to > STRASSBURG, Wilhelmine Auguste b. 17th Jan 1826 Blakenburb, Prussia; d. 29th > Mar 1902 Tallegalla, Qld. > > I have a fair amount of information, but as always, we would like to find > out more. > > Thanks in advance. > > Kerry Muller > Melbourne > > ______________________________ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > >

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1841 Schrock; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schrödel; Meseritz; Meseritz; 1838-41 Schubert; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schubert; Möstchen; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schubert; Niedewitz; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Schulz; Crossen; Crossen/O.; 1844 Schulz; Goltzen; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Gräditz; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Harthe; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1844 Schulz; Klippendorf; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Rentschen; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Schönborn; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schulz; Tirschtiegel; Meseritz; 1838-41 Schulz; Züllichau; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Schumann; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Schüttrich; Schwiebus; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Schütze; Guschau; Sorau; 1844 Seeländer; Klein Blumberg; Crossen/O.; 1841 Seeländer; Langmeil; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Seiffert; Langmeil; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Selche; Prittisch; Schwerin/O; 1838-41 Semmeriau; Meseritz; Meseritz; 1838-41 Sievers; Meseritz; Meseritz; 1838-41 Sommer; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Sparmann; Kutschlau; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Sperling; Klein-Dammer; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Stanitzki; Gross-Dammer; Meseritz; 1844 Staude; Klippendorf; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Steicke; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Stein; Langheinersdorf; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Steinborn; Schönborn; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Stellmacher; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Stiller; Nissenau; Sorau; 1844 Stoike; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Stoike; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1844 Stummann; *; Cottbus; 1844 Süss; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Thiedemann; Züllichau; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Thiele; Crummendorf; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Thiele; Harthe; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Thiele; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Thomas; Züllichau; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Tietz; Crossen; Crossen/O.; 1845 Ulm; Prittisch; Schwerin/O; 1838-41 Waberstizsky; Rackau; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Walandt; Gross-Dammer; Meseritz; 1844 Walter; Christianstadt; Sorau; 1844 Warmbrunn; Guben; Guben; 1838 Weber; Goltzen; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Weber; Prittisch; Schwerin/O; 1838-41 Weber; Tirschtiegel; Meseritz; 1838-41 Weidner; Tielitz; Sorau; 1846 Weimann; Schönborn; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Welke; Meseritz; Meseritz; 1838-41 Wenzel; Harthe; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Werner; Crossen; Crossen/O.; 1845 Wilksch; Klastawe; Meseritz; 1838-41 Wilksch; Langheinersdorf; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Wittwer; Guhren; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Woidt; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Woith; Friedrichsfelde; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Wolf; Nickern; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Wolff; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Wornest; Prittisch; Schwerin/O; 1838-41 Wundke; Langmeil; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Zeinert; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1841 Zernack; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Zeunert; Kay; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Zeunert; Klemzig; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Zilm; Goltzen; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 Zimmermann; Jehser; Züllichau-Schwiebus; 1838 greetings from germany Peter Woddow

Hi Kerry Jill Tumes from SA was researching this family. This is the beginning of the information I had receved from her - some of the descendants are listed in various Family Books - see below for list of some references. 1. CHRISTIAN FREDERICK2 BERLIN was born 5 October 1822 in Brandenburg, Preussen. He married WILHELMINE AUGUSTE STRASBURG 1850 in Prussia, daughter of WILHELM STRASBURG. Arrival: 12 January 1866 "WANDRAHAM" Children of CHRISTIAN BERLIN and WILHELMINE STRASBURG are: i. WILHELM THOMAS3 BERLIN, b. 17 October 1851, Prussia; d. 12 November 1942; m. (1) WILHELMINE DOMROW, 2 April 1875, Ipswich, Qld, Aust; m. (2) ELEANOR ANNIE HOGG, 1899. ii. CHRISTIAN BERLIN, b. 1854; m. SARAH ELIZABETH MULLER, 26 September 1878, Qld, Aust. iii. WILHELMINE BERLIN, b. 1856, Prussia; m. FREDERICK DOMROW, 25 November 1874, Qld, Aust. iv. CARL FRIEDERICH WILLIAM BERLIN, b. 1859, Prussia; m. BERTHA MARIA CHARLOTTE MAIBUSCH, 29 February 1884, Qld, Aust. v. FREDERICK WILHELM CARL BERLIN, b. 22 March 1862, Brandenburg, Preussen; m. ANNIE MULLER, 11 December 1885, Qld, Aust. vi. AUGUSTE BERLIN, b. November 1864, Prussia; d. 16 June 1866, Qld, Aust. vii. JOHANN AUGUST WILHELM BERLIN, b. 3 December 1867, Qld, Aust; m. MATHILDE SCHULZ. viii. HEINRICH FRIEDRICH BERLIN, b. 25 November 1871, Qld, Aust; m. AUGUSTE EMILIE KRAATZ. 1. AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L, "Electronic," <tumesrj@primus.com.au>, Jill Tumes, Adelaide. 2. Joyce Scholl, KUSS Kin, (1986). 3. Pam Beutel, HAUSCHILDT Heritage, Supplement 1866-1996, (1996). 4. Trevor Josefski, MARSCHKE 1796-1992, (1992). 5. Cecil H Sempf, SEMPF, ("Why Australia" History of the SEMPF Families in Australia 1871-1991). 6. R A Scanlan (Dick), SCANLAN Story - Ireland to Australia 1866, (4 Nov 1990). 7. ZISCHKE-GHOLK Family Tree, (1984). 8. Max and Gwen Kleidon, KLEIDON's in Australia 1882-1986, (1986). I have copies of most of these and would be happy to do lookups for you. Lorrae Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Mr Kerry Muller [mailto:kmm@ihug.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 4:28 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: BERLIN Hi all, I think we have had enough problems with viruses now. Lets get back to some serious research. I was wondering if anyone out there has any information on the BERLIN family who originally settled in Tallegalla and then Marburg, Qld. >From what I can find out, all Berlin's appear to be all descended from the one family who came to Australia on the Wandrahm which arrived 12th January, 1866. BERLIN, Christian Friedrich b. 7th Oct 1822 Fergitz, Prussia; d. 27th Mar 1903 Tallegalla, Qld married abt 1850, Blakenburg, Prussia to STRASSBURG, Wilhelmine Auguste b. 17th Jan 1826 Blakenburb, Prussia; d. 29th Mar 1902 Tallegalla, Qld. I have a fair amount of information, but as always, we would like to find out more. Thanks in advance. Kerry Muller Melbourne ______________________________

I want to track down records for german settlers, born,and or married, before arriving in Aust.I am not having much luck with latter day saints, and what pointers, if any from the naming of children,may indicate, the state in germany they originated from. eg., family name 'blankenburg' seems to indicate a connection with the Counts of that name? right ,or, wrong? js4815@free2air.com.au Any info could prove helpful.

Hello Paul, for East Brandenburg (it is the Neumark) gives it a mail list and also a database via 100000 entries. Your surname Hatfield would be able to also come from Germany, would be able to come from the name Hartfield, this manag in northern Brandenburg and Mecklenburg-Strelitz before. There is also researcher to this families in Germany and the USA. I have too some memos to this. greetings from germany Peter Woddow

I know there has been a lot of talk about virus but this may help some people. One of the recent Viruses come in as an ordinary email. When you click to open the email NOT the attachment it automatically opens up your address book and then you will lose it all. I was told how to stop this happening. Open up your address book and click on new contact. Insert here under first name !000 ( that is exclamation mark and 4 zeros (make sure you do not use the capital O) and click okay. This comes up as your first entry in your address book and the virus cannot get past it. Believe me this works because no sooner had I put it into my address book than the next time I downloaded my messages, this happened to me and I did not lose my address book. Regards Therese Black blackflynn@ozemail.com.au

> 1. CHRISTIAN FREDERICK2 BERLIN was born 5 October 1822 in Brandenburg, Hello, where is Christian borne Friedrich Berlin in the country or the city Brandenburg? I have the family Berlin in my ancestor line from Falkenhagen in the ring Prenzlau. The name Berlin gives it much in the northern Uckermark, Schlepkow, Hetzdorf and Jagow. They were mostly from the profession shepherd. greetings from germany Peter Woddow

Hello, the name Blankenburg often comes in Brandenburg before. It is also correct that it a noble family "von Blankenburg" gave that had Strelitz properties in the Uckermark and the Mecklenburg. They have some references, from where theirs families Blankenburg come would be able be. My wife has this name in the ancestor line in the Barnim, that directly at the Uckermark in the south border. Me emigrants are also confessed to the USA. From the fact have I might unite recordings to this family. greeting from germany Peter Woddow

Hello Albert An excellent history of the founding of Bethania can be found on the Bethania Settlers website at http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/bethan.htm . This article was published in the 1940s as reminiscences of Carl Holzheimer either (1881-1950) or his father (1852-1926). It was found by Les Moreland and republished in the 125th anniversary publication 'Bethania, the early years'. It states that whilst this group of settlers were 'Old Lutherans', unhappy about the union of the Prodestant churches (Lutheran & Calvinist) into a state church, the overwhelming reason for the emigration was economic. This was brought about by industrialisation of the farming industry and overpopulation. It was becoming more difficult for the younger farming families to support themselves on smaller & smaller plots of land. Their options were to move to the cities or to look for new lands. At the time, both America and Australia were actively recruiting German/Prussian farmer families to populate their vast expanses. There were ancilliary factors including religious tensions, compulsory military service & the Prussian wars etc. but Les Moreland is convinced that the primary reasons were economic as Holzheimer stated it. Secondly, I note your reference to a Schneider ancestor. I don't appear to have your line in the Bethania tree which would seem to be somewhat of an omission. I would be very happy to correct this situation with your concurrence. Kind regards Russell Greig Cleveland, Qld Researching Holzheimer/Lindow, Schneider/Tappendorf & Tesch/Beutel in Prussia and Greig/Mackie Aberdeen Scotland Bethania Settlers List http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/index.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Grulke [mailto:grulke@bigpond.com] > Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 2:00 pm > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Name changing > > > One needs to be careful when discussing this question of name changes. > There are two unrelated factors here. > During World war One there was hostility toward the German > especially in > Queensland and South Australia. This seems crazy since both > states owe their > development to the Germanic migrants. To make it worse the English > population could not distinguish between German and Polish or > other European > nationalities. Hence if you had a name that was not English > you were German > but might be French or Italian. It mattered not. > A great number of people changed their names entirely or > anglicised it. I > learned recently that my grandfather changed his name and > went to Bundaberg > to work in the sugar mills. Somebody found out about his name > change and his > German background. He was dismissed for being a German even > though he could > not speak a word of German. He said 'Stuff them" and resumed > his correct > name. His brother changed his name to Robinson and went to > Narrabri to work. > His family all think they are Robinson. > The second issue is changing names for other reasons. Today > they do it by > deed poll or are supposed to. I understand that they can be > traced today > because of records. > My grandfather was born Schneider because that was his father. However > father disappeared as soon as he found out that he was > fertile and could > father a son. The result was that his Mother changed her name back to > Grulke, her first husband, and naturally changed sons name as well. I > understand that this practice was common. Unlike now where > the child gets > the father's surname irrespective of the mother's surname. If > there was a > disappearing father they simply changed the names to the one > the mother > choose. > It was common that if a girl got pregnant when she shouldn't > that one of the > parents (the girls or the boys) would raise the child as > their own. Hence a > girl might have a child that might be raised by the boy's > parents as their > child. The birth certificate would register one name and the > child lived and > died under another name. > That is what my research into this is telling me. It suggests > that there > were no deed poll actions and it just happened because that > was how they > solved the problem whatever it was. > Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Beverly Edmonds, I cannot believe it! someone has actually unearthed one of my SCHULTZ names. Gustav Wilhelm Richard SCHULTZ b. 1885 married Martha Emma Kanowski in 1910. Gladys Dorothy SCHULTZ is their second child (they had 6). Gladys Dorothy married Alec DREWS but I have no more information on them. I assume, whether right or wrong, that they are dead by now but then one never knows if they are still alive at 90 yrs of age. thanks, Beverly Markham. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hi All, Was wondering if anyone out there would be kind enough to do a look up for me. I have a few grey areas I am keen to clarify, but my work is inhibiting me from being able to get much time for research. Many thanks, Kerry Muller