For those interested, The Toowoomba Chronicle on page 9 dated Dec 5, 2001 under Features gives a full page account and photo of the 70th wedding celebration of Alfred MUIR b 1907 Maryland NSW s/o Gilbert , and Vera SCHULTZ b 1907 Gowrie Junction d/o Hermann SCHULTZ and Mary. Cheers Bev

Thank you for your interest, Peter. Unfortunately, my surname, HATFIELD, is English - from Southern Yorkshire, although the word Hatfield is of Germanic origin and was probably HATZFELD - i.e hunt field - in the Anglo-Saxon language. However, I am interested in the Neumark as my mother's grandfather - Heinrich WENDSCHLAG - was born there - his mother came from Ceylon in the Warthebruch. He does not appear on your list of immigrants from E.Brandenburg because he did not emigrate from there. My other names of interest from that area are REIDINGER and MENSCHLAG. BTW did you use a computer to translate your message into English? Regards, Paul Hatfield > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:40:18 +0100 > From: p.woddow@t-online.de (Peter Woddow) > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: East Brandenburg > > Hello Paul, > > for East Brandenburg (it is the Neumark) gives it a > mail list and also a > database via 100000 entries. > Your surname Hatfield would be able to also come > from Germany, would be > able to come from the name Hartfield, this manag in > northern Brandenburg > and Mecklenburg-Strelitz before. There is also > researcher to this > families in Germany and the USA. > I have too some memos to this. > > greetings from germany > > Peter Woddow http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - Free CDs for thousands of Priority Shoppers!

Hi Beverley and Listers: You will note that my email address has "growzone" as the ISP. They advertise that they strip every apparent virus fromany email passing through their system and cannot spread a virus. My computer has not been hit with a virus for over four years and I only use Netscape (not Outlook Express). It is most unlikely that a virus would get to your machine from my machine...........secondly the spelling of my surname in the message should be a dead giveaway.......to those people whom I'm in contact with directly, you would have the spelling correct. Somebody has created a message, using my name (spelt incorrectly) and accessed Bev's address book and spred the virus....not I...................thirdly, it cannot pass through Rootsweb as they too strip all attachments. Christmas Cheer Jim Beverly wrote: > Jim, I have received a number of emails from you and they all have the > attachment sign on them and blank messages. > It was a similar message that I opened over a week ago (from someone else) > that gave me the virus on my computer. > I am not saying that you have a virus on your computer but I am leery of > opening anything that has the little paper clip in the top right hand corner > denoting that there is an attachment. > I have stopped opening attachments in fear of getting infected with a virus > again. > I do not know what it is you wished to write to me about, but after the > terrible experience I have just had with a virus I no longer wish to take > chances. > This email today was addressed as "Markham, Pelling, Tranby". > For safety's sake, how about you write to the list and hopefully the > rootsweb system will remove or block the virus (although they did not do > such a good job this past week or so). > Sorry about this mess and I do not know who caused it. > cheers, > Beverly. > Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least > you get a free trip around the sun....... > So wear a hat and enjoy the ride! > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Bev None of the virus' that i received came through rootsweb. I understand that rootsweb mailing list cannot and does not allow attachments. Therefore, we cannot get it through the list. The virus is being spread from us list members who are unfortunate enough to open an email directly from another list member, especially when so many of us are on so many lists. Your comment below suggests that your virus came through the list. ""(although they did not do such a good job this past week or so)."" Hope it soon wears itself out but you an see how quickly they spread. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Beverly [mailto:pussims@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 5:44 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: JIM CREIGHTON For safety's sake, how about you write to the list and hopefully the rootsweb system will remove or block the virus (although they did not do such a good job this past week or so). Sorry about this mess and I do not know who caused it. cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hi List, I am helping a distant cousin of mine who is researching the name Martschinke and it's surname variations. The Martschinke are from the Wide Bay region and are connected to my Bellert's. Hoping that someone can be of assitance. Kind regards Wayne Bunning

Dear Bev, (Edmonds), I have a William ZAHNOW born about 1867 in Ipswich. He married Anna Bertha Schmidt but I do not have a marriage date for them. Anna was born 1871 in Ipswich an died 4 Mar 1924 Is William in my database connected to Christoph Zahnow? cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Here another a birth Labinsky of Prenzlau: Nr.67/1852 St Sabinen church Prenzlau *07.08.1852 chr. 22.08.1852 Julius Ernst Hermann Labinsky fother: Carl Ludwig- Maurer mather: Wilhelmine Friederike Holtz Nr.25/1864 St Sabinen Prenzlau *11.03.1864 chr. 03.04 + 01.12.1868 Anna Wilhelmine Auguste Labinsky fother: August Ludwig mather: Frederike Charlotte Peter gewesene Krüger Nr.5/1868 St Sabinen *03.01.1868 chr. 26.01 +05.06.1868 Caroline Malwine Pauline Morosini Nr.32/1869 *01.04.1869 chr. 18.04 +02.08.1869 Rudolf Carl August Morosini Nr.47/1870 *08.07.1870 chr.31.07 +10.09.1875 Emil Paul Eduard Morosini Nr. 61/1872 *19.07.1870 chr. 11.08 Julius Gustav Hermann Morosini parents: fother: Carl August Morosini mather: ? Labinsky greetings Peter Woddow

Wilhelmine TETZLAFF was a passenger on the "Herschel" from Hamburg which arrived in Bowen in July 1873. Her marriage certificate to Matthew MITCHELL (February 1875) named her parents as Johann TETZLAFF and Anna PERSKE and that she was born in Deutsche Krone, West Prussia. It seems likely that she was related to the PERSKE and MANTHEI families who were on the same vessel. The marriage took place in Mackay and it looks like she remained there in Mackay until she died in 1902. Does anyone have any TETZLAFF's who originated from that part of the world? Regards Anne Long

Pastor Carl Anger was sent to Queensland in 1863 by the Gossner Mission Society. It appears that he may not have came as a pastor but a layman to work among German migrants in Queensland. In the early days it was common practice it seems that the government assisted a number of theological trained men form Germany to come to the stat to provide pastoral care to the migrants. In 1863 Pastor Schirmeister ordained him at St Paul's Lutheran c Church in Toowoomba and then installed him as the pastor. There was soon a conflict and we now know what that as. Pastor Anger was sacked from his parish and together with a number of parishioners formed the Independent German Church in Perth St. Pastor Anger was pastor of this church from 1964 to 1972. He then disappears off the scan and that may be when he bought the farm mentioned. The Perth street congregation closed or re-united with the St Paul's group in the 1970s and the church building was I believe relocated to Wilsonton. In 1897 Anger was ministering to Germans around Crows Nest and Haden. He was removed from the state register of ministers of religion but I do not know when. It odes seem that maybe he was functioning as a minister of religion for some years without authority. Albert Grulke in cloudy old Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Janice Nightingale [mailto:nightingalejanice@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2001 12:47 To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Early Lutheran Church- Toowoomba Hi everyone, Seeking knowledge from wiser heads than mind. With regard to the following newspaper article: Toowoomba Chronicle and Queensland Advertiser, Quuensland State Library. "The Rev. Mr. Angar's Case- On Tuesday 17th instant, Mr. Groom moved, in his place in the Assembly, for copies of all correspondence between the Hon. the Colonial Secretary, the Registrar General, and the Rev. Schiermeister, relative to the case of the Rev. Angar, the German Lutheran Missionary stationed at Toowoomba. In bringing this motion forward, Mr Groom stated that with the permission of the House he would amend it to say instead of correspondence, "copies of all memorials and replies recieved in reference thereto." He brought the matter under the notice of the House for he believed a great injustice had been done to Mr. Angar in consequence of some representations that had been made to the Government. Mr. Angar had come out from Hamburg to take charge of the German Lutheran congregation at Toowomba. He was agentleman quite unacquainted with the English forms and ceremonies, and it seemed that upon the death of a German who resided in Toowoomba, Mr. Angar had, not knowing what the practice was in cases of this kind, filled up certain forms, and amongst them the doctor's certificate, which he had inadvertently signed with the name of Dr. Saxby. Some representations had been made to the Government by interested persons, and Mr. Angar was removed from his post. The object of his (Mr. Groom's) asking for the correspondence was that Mr. Angar might be reinstated. The Germans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as the head of their church at Toowoomba, and had subscribed a good deal of money for the purpose of building a church for Mr. Angar. The Colonial Secretary briefly replied that if the congregation of German Lutherans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as their spiritual head, Government would have no objection to reinstating Mr. Angar in his former post. He then laid the correspondence asked for upon the table, and moved that it be printed. The question was then put and passed.- Gaurdian's Report." Thursday, May 26, 1864. Since this matter was brought up in the House is it likely that the State Archives would hold documents relating to the case? What should I ask for? Can anyone shed further light on this period of time in Toowoomba for Lutherans. What I have read seems to indicate that there was factionalism within the church at the time, as there has been frequently since, and that Carl Anger may have been caught up in it and lost his ministry as a result. One item I read seems to suggest that he man was of dubious character, but does not support the stance with fact. Anyway somewhere along the line Carl Anger ceased being a pastor and became a farmer. I'd really like to find out why. Any help appreciated Janice N' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Hello Albert You obviously belong to the 'other' Grulkes as well as the 'other' Schneiders. You seem to have the basis of a good story there. I hope to read it one day. Gedcoms are usually created out of 'File', 'Export' & then you have to work your way through the options. PAF5 has a miriad of options allowing you to split your data on family lines or, before a certain year or, by surname only & so on & so on. Family Tree Maker simply allows you to create a .ged of all your data. .ged files are compressed so that you send a smaller attachment. (the Bethania file contains 12,000 names & is approx 20 Megabyte. This compresses to 4 Mb as a .ged) They are generic files for genealogy software, ie a .ged created in one type of software can then be recreated in any other type of genealogy software. For backup purposes it is good to make a .ged of all your data & send it to somebody else to store on their computer. I have oodles of space on my hard drive and would be only to happy to receive .geds from yourself or other list members if they wish to lodge a backup .ged. If people have privacy concerns about sending their information to a stranger, I suggest they adopt a buddy system & lodge copies with each other. With all the viruses in the air & the ever present possibility of hard drives suffering a crash, it is a good idea to have a variety of backup systems. I suggest: 1. Always copy your file to a floppy disc after making changes. Floppies are cheap. When you fill up one, store it & start another. This is also a good way of keeping the history of your tree making. (Note: You must change the name each time by adding a subscript eg. Bethania.ftw, Bethania1.ftw, Bethania2.ftw etc.) 2. Regularly replace/update your primary file on your hard disc. Every couple of months or after adding large amounts of data, use 'File', 'Save as' to make a new copy on your hard drive. I use dates eg. Dec2001.paf as a file name. Then 'Save as' Feb2002.paf to start a new file to add new data. Keep the older files all in the same directory & if your current file is corrupted return to the latest copy & bring it up to date. 3. Send a copy to a friend. It can simply be your working file eg. Dec2001.paf or export it to Dec2001.ged if you have a large file & want to compress it to save download time. Enough of the lesson, but I would like to make one point about viruses. They are like the common cold. We don't know where they start, we are all susceptible to them & sometimes we innocently pass them on. Russell Greig Cleveland

For more than 150 years, the lack of documentation on the origins of the free settlement of the north-east of Brisbane by German missionaries has sparked much conjecture and not a few theories, according to a student of local History, Dennis KENNEDY, of Nudgee. Dennis wades through the history today and next week. He says" There is one document, thankfully preserved in the State's archives, which in just three pages gives absolute answers to at least some of the puzzles which have teased many over generations." " Who were these intrepid men and women, where did they come from, how and why did they come to this place, and who sent them, and how were they financed?" Here are extracts from an appeal by John Dunmore LAND D.D. of 3 July, 1838. " Having come to England, from the colony of New South Wales, in the year 1837, to procure a supply of ministers of religion, school masters, and missionaries to the Aborigines for that colony...at Moreton Bay." "It being supposed that the Aborigines of that distant portion of the Colony Territory would be less contaminated by intercourse with the depraved convict population of the colony than those within the present limits of location [Sydney], and that the successful establishment of a mission in that important locality would eventually afford the means of establishing a series of missionary settlements along the dangerous coast to the north-ward." "The Right Honorable Lord Glenelg, who was then Secretary of State for the Colonies, not only approved of the undertaking but granted assistance towards providing a passage out for some of the missionaries, and guaranteed, for the permanent support of the mission, a sum equal to the contribution of the public, from the revenue arising from the sale of waste land in the colony." { The Stirling Castle, the ship in which the writer went out to New South Wales for the third time, in the year 1831, was wrecked on that part of the coast of the Australian continent, on a subsequent voyage--from New South Wales to India--in the year 1836. The captain and several of the shipwrecked mariners were barbarously murdered by the natives. The crews of the other ships and, in particular, that from the Charles Eaton, wrecked on the same dangerous coast, have also shared a similiar fate} " The body of the missionaries, engaged for the mission at Moreton Bay, consisted of the Rev Karl Wilhelm SCHMIDT, of the Universities of Halle and Berlin, and the Rev. Christopher EIPPER, of Basle, in Switzerland, both married; Mr Horitz SCHNEIDER, surgeaon, from the Missionary Society of Leipzig, and four lay missionaries, or catechists, also married; besides four unmarried lay missionaries, or 20 adult persons altogether." "The whole of these missionaries arrived in New South Wales per the emigrant ship Minerva in the month of January, 1838." " But typhus fever having broken out on board that vessell towards the close of the voyage, and the whole medical duty of the ship having devolved upon Mr SCHNEIDER, the German missionary surgeon, in consequence of the indispostion of the English surgeon of the vessel, who had caught the infection among the very first." " Mr SCHNEIDER, who had devoted himself with the utmost zeal and self denial for the relief of his suffering fellow voyagers, was also seized with the fever, after having landed at quarantine station near Sydney, and unfortunately died." Dennis provides the following highlights: Both Rev. SCHMIDT and Rev. EIPPER were ordained into the Colonial Presbyterian Church while in Sydney and the mission was allocated one square mile {640 acres} at Toombul named Zionshill. It established a regular settlement for mission purposes, exhibiting genuine self-denial, according to Major COTTON, the commandant of Moreton Bay. There were intensive efforts to hold all mission services in English, but the layman needed most in German for their own spitual benefit. The natives needed to communicate by an exchange of tongues, which dictated the use of English! As only two ministers had this language how did the others communicate with the natives? It must have been really difficult for these dedicated men. However, they must have established a line of communication because not only were their services held on Sundays but twice daily, with extras on Thursday nights. Taken from the Northside Chronicle 18 oct 1989. I never did get the next copy to see what the second installment had to say. Cheers Bev

Janice, I have a copy of this book if you would like me to photocopy the pages that make reference to Carl ANGER. Cheers Bev -----Original Message----- From: Marionne Diggles <mamee@hotkey.net.au> To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 6 December 2001 5:51 Subject: Carl Anger >Dear Janice, > >Sorry, I was pre-occupied when you were in the T&DDFHS research centre >the other week. I have found mention of Carl Anger in a book which some >of the list may have, titled The German Presence in Queensland, Manfred >Jurgensen and Alan Corkhill, eds, Dept of German, University of Qld, >1988, ISBN 0 86776 2527 (paperback) or 0 86776 246X (hardback). > >Page 161 says "The scope of this work for two ministers was clearly >impossible and calls went out for more ministers. The Gossner society, >now without Gossner who had passed away, made available a Mr. Carl >August Anger, who was ordained by Schirmeister and who took over St >Paul's Lutheran congregation in Toowoomba. Pastor Anger was a sad >disappointment to all, and his dismissal caused a split with the St >Paul's congregation and resulted in a second Lutheran congregation, >called the "Independent German Church", in Toowoomba." > >This is footnoted to Theile, p. 10. which the bibliography shows as F. >O. Theile, One Hundred Years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland, >Adelaide, 1985 (Reprint). > >I am not sure how easy it would be to borrow a copy of the last >mentioned book. > >Cheers >Marionne > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Dear Janice, Sorry, I was pre-occupied when you were in the T&DDFHS research centre the other week. I have found mention of Carl Anger in a book which some of the list may have, titled The German Presence in Queensland, Manfred Jurgensen and Alan Corkhill, eds, Dept of German, University of Qld, 1988, ISBN 0 86776 2527 (paperback) or 0 86776 246X (hardback). Page 161 says "The scope of this work for two ministers was clearly impossible and calls went out for more ministers. The Gossner society, now without Gossner who had passed away, made available a Mr. Carl August Anger, who was ordained by Schirmeister and who took over St Paul's Lutheran congregation in Toowoomba. Pastor Anger was a sad disappointment to all, and his dismissal caused a split with the St Paul's congregation and resulted in a second Lutheran congregation, called the "Independent German Church", in Toowoomba." This is footnoted to Theile, p. 10. which the bibliography shows as F. O. Theile, One Hundred Years of the Lutheran Church in Queensland, Adelaide, 1985 (Reprint). I am not sure how easy it would be to borrow a copy of the last mentioned book. Cheers Marionne

Hi Kerry, I probably gave you the information on Annie Müller who married Friedrich Wilhelm Carl BERLIN, saying she was the daughter of August Johann Christian MULLER & Auguste Louise Albertine PETER. That information I had given to others on the list as well. However I have since obtained various death and marriage certificates which confirm that my Annie Müller is indeed the daughter of Christian Müller and Friedericke Louise Mellentin and sister of the others I listed in my email. That includes the Sarah Elizabeth Müller ( known as Elizabeth) who married Frederick Berlin's brother, Christian Berlin. I have the shipping list for this family as well as the births and marriages and some deaths which named the parents. I was alerted to my error when I found people who were descended from members of the other family who knew who "that Annie" married, and when and where she died. I haven't had time to check your gedcom file yet. Regards , Jill.

Would someone with access to Dern Index, please look for Henry Thomas READ, died 19/7/1922 in Beaudesert district. Many thanks Warren

Hi everyone, Seeking knowledge from wiser heads than mind. With regard to the following newspaper article: Toowoomba Chronicle and Queensland Advertiser, Quuensland State Library. "The Rev. Mr. Angar's Case- On Tuesday 17th instant, Mr. Groom moved, in his place in the Assembly, for copies of all correspondence between the Hon. the Colonial Secretary, the Registrar General, and the Rev. Schiermeister, relative to the case of the Rev. Angar, the German Lutheran Missionary stationed at Toowoomba. In bringing this motion forward, Mr Groom stated that with the permission of the House he would amend it to say instead of correspondence, "copies of all memorials and replies recieved in reference thereto." He brought the matter under the notice of the House for he believed a great injustice had been done to Mr. Angar in consequence of some representations that had been made to the Government. Mr. Angar had come out from Hamburg to take charge of the German Lutheran congregation at Toowomba. He was agentleman quite unacquainted with the English forms and ceremonies, and it seemed that upon the death of a German who resided in Toowoomba, Mr. Angar had, not knowing what the practice was in cases of this kind, filled up certain forms, and amongst them the doctor's certificate, which he had inadvertently signed with the name of Dr. Saxby. Some representations had been made to the Government by interested persons, and Mr. Angar was removed from his post. The object of his (Mr. Groom's) asking for the correspondence was that Mr. Angar might be reinstated. The Germans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as the head of their church at Toowoomba, and had subscribed a good deal of money for the purpose of building a church for Mr. Angar. The Colonial Secretary briefly replied that if the congregation of German Lutherans declined to recognise Mr. Scheirmeister as their spiritual head, Government would have no objection to reinstating Mr. Angar in his former post. He then laid the correspondence asked for upon the table, and moved that it be printed. The question was then put and passed.- Gaurdian's Report." Thursday, May 26, 1864. Since this matter was brought up in the House is it likely that the State Archives would hold documents relating to the case? What should I ask for? Can anyone shed further light on this period of time in Toowoomba for Lutherans. What I have read seems to indicate that there was factionalism within the church at the time, as there has been frequently since, and that Carl Anger may have been caught up in it and lost his ministry as a result. One item I read seems to suggest that he man was of dubious character, but does not support the stance with fact. Anyway somewhere along the line Carl Anger ceased being a pastor and became a farmer. I'd really like to find out why. Any help appreciated Janice N' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi I've recently found out that my great great grandfathers family came from Prussia. The surname (and my maiden name) being KRAUSE. We pronounced it CRUISE but obviously it wasn't pronounced that way originally. How do you get CRUISE out of that! Anyway, my great great grandfather was David Thomas William KRAUSE and was born in South Brisbane in about 1881. His parents would have come from Prussia somewhere. He was married to Maud Rosa LONG who was half Chinese and Swiss. It's a bit of a stab in the dark, but I thought I'd give it a go. I appreciate your help. Regards Lisa

Can Beverley Markham please make contact with me. I keep getting everything I send sent back and I suspect some I sent her has not arrived. Albert Grulke in typical Melbourne with all four seasons

Jim, I have received a number of emails from you and they all have the attachment sign on them and blank messages. It was a similar message that I opened over a week ago (from someone else) that gave me the virus on my computer. I am not saying that you have a virus on your computer but I am leery of opening anything that has the little paper clip in the top right hand corner denoting that there is an attachment. I have stopped opening attachments in fear of getting infected with a virus again. I do not know what it is you wished to write to me about, but after the terrible experience I have just had with a virus I no longer wish to take chances. This email today was addressed as "Markham, Pelling, Tranby". For safety's sake, how about you write to the list and hopefully the rootsweb system will remove or block the virus (although they did not do such a good job this past week or so). Sorry about this mess and I do not know who caused it. cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hi all If there is an attachment with this email, don't open it. My Norton showed that it quarantined a virus last Friday, but yesterday I started getting Undelivered mail messages saying that a virus was attached to my mail. some of the mail was to addresses not in my address book. I will not be sending emails now until this is sorted out. Sorry Fay