If the letter is strictly related to family research, you can use the real people services provided at: http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/translation.html Please follow the instructions carefully. Warren *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/02/2002 at 1:04 PM Fay Mumme wrote: Try this translator - it's not too bad. http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn Fay Mumme Narrogin, W.Australia mummelf@treko.net.au RESEARCHING: Mumme, Warren, Radford, Pearse, STH.AUSTRALIA, GERMANY, U.K. Diete, Schafferius, Teis, Wendland, QUEENSLAND, GERMANY. Mumme Family website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~chousmith/ Schafferius Family members: Apply to me for an invitation to join our private family site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dunroamin" <jennyl@rocknet.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:28 AM Subject: Translation > Hello All > > Is there anyone out there who could translate a german letter for me please or does anyone know of a site on the web which will translate. > > I am researching the family name of PLAHN, so if anyone has any details on the name regardless of dates I would appreciate hearing from you. It would appear that the only family of Plahn who came to Australia was Carl Ludwig Plahn born 1824/27 and his wife Wilhelmina Wacker. They came to Australia around 1860 and settled in Rockhampton. > > Thanks > Jenny > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jenny, I use the Altavista Babel fish translator. It isn't 100% accurate, but you get the overall meaning very quickly. http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr Jill.

Try this translator - it's not too bad. http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn Fay Mumme Narrogin, W.Australia mummelf@treko.net.au RESEARCHING: Mumme, Warren, Radford, Pearse, STH.AUSTRALIA, GERMANY, U.K. Diete, Schafferius, Teis, Wendland, QUEENSLAND, GERMANY. Mumme Family website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~chousmith/ Schafferius Family members: Apply to me for an invitation to join our private family site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dunroamin" <jennyl@rocknet.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:28 AM Subject: Translation > Hello All > > Is there anyone out there who could translate a german letter for me please or does anyone know of a site on the web which will translate. > > I am researching the family name of PLAHN, so if anyone has any details on the name regardless of dates I would appreciate hearing from you. It would appear that the only family of Plahn who came to Australia was Carl Ludwig Plahn born 1824/27 and his wife Wilhelmina Wacker. They came to Australia around 1860 and settled in Rockhampton. > > Thanks > Jenny > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Beverley's comments are very interesting and enlightening. I have not as yet done enough research on the subject but when I started out on this project I discovered that my ancestors did not come from Germany as I was always told. They actually came from Pomerania as did more than two thirds of the Germanic migrants of the 19th century to Queensland. I pursued this a little further and fund that in fact many of them did not even originate in Pomerania but in Volhynia. This is a state or former nation in the Ural mountain regions in Russia. Further research suggested that a number of them actually came from further south and they were Slavs. So in reality I am not of German descent but of Slavic descent. So too are most of you. Now somewhere I came across something that gave indication of being of Jewish origin. I went back to the bible and the biblical history books. There I found out that in the Northern tribes disintegration programme they actually moved across through Turkey and the now Russian states toward central and southern Europe. There they became a part of the community and married and inter-married. My wife's family often said that they were of Jewish decent but we could never get a sensible logical answer on how they came to that conclusion. Since beginning this project I have come to believe that the Hoffmann families descended from Jews and are in many instances still Jews. The interesting thing that I have not as yet uncovered is that in Hitler's Germany they persecuted Jews first and foremost. What intrigues me is that these Jews had lived in Germany and Poland for generations. Maybe they had lived there for centuries. It intrigues me that there were so many of these Jews in Poland especially when I find that our ancestors came from there and when I track back to find this possible Jewish connection. My daughter who is doing a history masters degree I think, tells me that her research suggests that when the Prussians took over all northern Europe they began a persecution campaign to remove anybody not a pure German or Pole. She suggests that the major reason for many of our ancestor migrating to Australia and the USA was because of this. She suggests that it continued in a mild form right up until Hitler came to power and then he made it a major form. I have yet to find the evidence to support her theory. I would seriously like to pursue this line of thought and see how close I am to truth. In fact as soon as I stop doing the hundred things I am doing right now I will make that my major project and hopefully do it before I leave this world. Of course to tell anybody that would bring the response Beverley received. Somehow our mentality makes it difficult for us to see Jews as being anything beyond religion in Australia or money makers in the USA. Although I have no proof of any sort and not been able to trace her ancestry at this stage, I have no doubt in my mind from what I have gathered that my great grandmother Henrietta was of Jewish descent and came from Volhynia. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Beverly Markham [mailto:pussims@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2002 3:05 To: Subject: the Diaspora and our heritage. Hello all, I recently attended a Genealogical conference which proved to be very enlightening for me. Most of us are aware of the stories in the old Testament when the Babylonians came to conquer Jerusalem. The Children of Israel were scattered among the nations, so the Bible says. Well, the subject of the presentation was the Diaspora and how it relates to us in this year of 2002. The researcher presented a paper on tracking the dispersion of the Israelites through the nations of the world by using language study. It seems that there are some root words of the Hebrew language that hold constant in meaning and have been adopted into the languages of the people among whom the Israelites settled after the Diaspora. I found this to be fascinating. In school in Queensland, we were taught the Latin Root's and required to memorize them. This has helped me figure out the possible meaning of a word that I had not seen before. In same vein, these Hebrew root words can be found in language (particularly those group of languages into which the German language family falls) and thus attesting to the fact that the Hebrew's did scatter at the time of the Babylonian invasion as recorded in the bible. So what other things can we expect from that? I guess we can suppose that not all these people who escaped Jerusalem just intermarried among themselves, but that they married with the people among whom they settled. Our German ancestors did the same thing. For a couple of generations they kept to themselves and then they married out of the German cultural group thus increasing the genealogical base for all of us to track. The question then arises, how many of us then carry genetic material that can be tracked back to the Diaspora? After hearing this paper, I suspect that there are more of us than we suspect who can track our genetic material to the Diaspora. When it was pointed out to me that my maiden name of EISER was in fact of Jewish Origin, it was a very new thought to me. At the family reunions last year in Drayton and Cabarlah, I presented this same proposition to the family gathered there and the thought was expressed that "We are not Jews. We are Church of England (plug in any religion that you want here." The implication of the Diaspora has nothing to do with the religion we follow - it has to do with the genetic markers that we all share. By following the Genetic markers, we will be able to connect up with distant branches of the families to whom we belong. We may not have the information on the intervening generations, but we will be able to make positive identification of our living relatives through this modern method of identification. It is a known fact that not all of our ancestors migrated to Australia and left no one in their native lands. There were aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews who remained behind to carry on with their lives. Contact was lost with the families at "home" and wars have divided cultures and countries and decimated family contacts so the last best hope of connecting up with living relatives is this genetic testing. May I urge you all to participate in such testing if it is available to you. Just a thought. cheers, Beverly. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Fellow MÜLLER Hunters If Great Aunt Mary (Maria Katharina GIESEMANN) hadn't married into the BEETHAM family, and had all of those children who multiplied as did their parents, we wouldn't be in this mess! I think we maybe should call on our dear friend Herr Peter WODDOW for help with his Uckermark knowledge! We have Kerry, Cathy, Daph, Bev(JS), Therese, Mike, Gay, Gary and probably more than half the descendants from the Valley and beyond looking for these families. Possibly, some are looking at them "from a distance", as in - via other family members, but the trail gets rough!! The original pioneers came from the Uckermark - Templin, Bagemuhl, Millmersdorf, Zusidom etc. From what I see so far, most of them - related or otherwise (still to be determined) - settled north and north east of, and in, Boonah. We have Boonah, Kalbar, Roadvale, Mutdapilly, Englesburg, etc.etc. Some of their children went west to Dalby, north to Maryborough, east to the Coast, and probably further afield. Dozens were buried in Kalbar. Does anyone have the old Ordnance Maps for that area please? The ones with the settlers' names? I am wondering if we can establish any connections here, other than the hundreds we already have? As a matter of interest, I have copies of Rosewood, Grandchester, Blenheim and parts of Laidley Parishes, which I'd be pleased to share. HANSEN/HANSON jumped out at me yesterday, viz. Oluf HANSEN from Denmark. I have worked on Odense Amt, Vends Herred and have all but 3 søgnen of the 1845 Census. I also have Hårslev and Korup for that year, 1880/1881 for Middelfart, and most years for Svendborg. If I can help please ask me. Does anyone know of Census records - on line - for Schleswig-Holstein and Elmshorn (Niedersachsen) for the early 1800s please? Daph, I still have some work to do on your enquiry - it's August Carl isn't it? (Did a huge delete job last week and now I don't know who wants what!!). I now have Samuel's family - another waif who has a mummy and daddy after all!! Cheers Bev K

Hello All Is there anyone out there who could translate a german letter for me please or does anyone know of a site on the web which will translate. I am researching the family name of PLAHN, so if anyone has any details on the name regardless of dates I would appreciate hearing from you. It would appear that the only family of Plahn who came to Australia was Carl Ludwig Plahn born 1824/27 and his wife Wilhelmina Wacker. They came to Australia around 1860 and settled in Rockhampton. Thanks Jenny

Hi all I hope this message is acceptable to you. I know of someone who has a microfiche reader to give away. The only condition is that it is has to be collected from their place at Milton in Brisbane. If you, or your family history group, can make use of it it is yours for the taking. Please contact me directly and I will give you the contact details. Thanks Elaine

Dear Beverly and List, OOPS! sorry the NAA website is <www.naa.gov.au> NOT (www.nna.gov.au) Happy hunting, Elizabeth

Dear Beverely and List, Unfortunatly there has been at lot of out of date and misleading information recently posted on the list regarding Boer War, WW1 and WW11 Records. Information for overseas and interstate researchers Re: War Records held in Australia. For copies of Boer War and WW1 dossiers, the best way to access these is by going to the National Archives of Australia (NAA) site on the net <www.nna.gov.au> Using the keyword option type in the surname, if you get too many hits, refine your entry by following the prompts, then try by given name or year, etc. When/if the entry you require appears, click on the blue letters/numbers in the center of the information displayed, this will open another window giving you the options (request digital copy free) or (request copy), there is a limit of only five "free" requests per annum. The best option, click on "Free Digital Copy" and another window will appear. Follow the prompts and fill in all the details required, the dossier/file details will appear automatically, then submit. Follow the same procedure for each request. It is as easy as that! You will need to keep checking the NAA site to see when the icon (view digital image) appears against the entry you have requested. The NAA are presently processing requests lodged before the end of October 2001. Keep a printout of your request, then when you access the NAA home page the date of requests already processed and available for viewing is displayed. Images will then remain easily accessible on line, you can print off the pages required (if you have a good laser printer) or copy the images to a disc and have them printed privately. The best option is to just transcribe the details at your leisure. If the image is not sharp enough, you will have to pay for copies to be sent to you. The downside of this is that when this wonderful service was introduced in March 2001, the NAA did not expect the response to be so great and the turnaround time for requests is now about three months. And only records held in the NAA National office (Canberra) are being processed using digital images at the moment. There are many other files available on request as digital images. The most advantageous for German researchers are the post 1903 Naturalization files, a real plus! Digital images are a boon for folk living in Germany, America, Canada, England, etc, looking for their ancestors in Australia. WW11 Army and RAAF Service Records have all recently been deposited with the NAA Canberra Office from the Soldier Career Management Agency, Melbourne. A charge of $16-20 per record is levied on these documents if you require copies to be posted. RAAF pay cards are usually available free. Army Records AFTER 1945 are only available at Soldier Career Management Agency GPO Box 393D, Melbourne. Victoria 3001. ADDRESS for WW11 records: Defence Service Records WW11, National Archives of Australia, PO Box 7425, Canberra Business Centre, ACT 2610. To view WW11 records phone 1300 886 881 or e-mail ww2@nna.gov.au and arrange to view the records. Information is also on "Fact Sheets" 63, 67, 133, 135, 136, 177 & 206 all available on the net. A copy of the records posted now costs $16-20. For other WW11 service related documents, correspondence files, prisoners of war trust fund files etc. usually held in the Victorian Office of the NAA. Request a photo copy of these documents, e-mail or write to National Archives of Australia PO Box 7425 Canberra Mail Centre ACT 2610 E-mail: ref@naa.gov.au Ph: 1300 886 881 Fax: 1300 886 882. Normal charges of 50 cents a page apply they will invoice you. References on the NAA site also include documents held by the Australian War Memorial, Canberra, the database identifies their location as "AWM". Follow the prompts and print off details of any files that interest you. The research facilities at the "AWM" are great on line, a link to the AWM site is available from the NAA site. It is well worth a visit to Canberra for those researchers who are interested, as many of the "AWM" holdings listed on the NAA database, can usually be photocopied on the spot. Requests for research to be done on your behalf can be very costly. ADDRESS for WW1 records: Service Reords WW1, National Archives of Australia PO Box 7425, Canberra Mail Centre ACT 2610 To view WW1 records request your "Free Digital Copy" go <www.naa.gov.au> A copy of the records costs $16-20 posted. Beverly, there are lots of "Trost" entries on the NAA database (various files and locations). Please contact me off line if you need any further help as there is a limit of only five free digital requests per year available at the moment. Also a big thank you to Marionne for her message re: "War Records" and it does help if the "NX" service number is known. However there have been a few changes regarding processing of WW1 & WW11 records recently but the above details are current. Please note the NSW returned soldiers WW11 files will not be available until after April 2002. Happy hunting. Elizabeth At 06:45 AM 26/01/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Beverly, > >You can also get war records directly from the National Archives of >Australia. They can be more cheaply and quickly ordered directly >yourself ($16 v $40). They will invoice you. WW1 records references can >be found from the NAA web site. WW2 you need to know the person's >references. There is are books of these at Cannon Hill. I am sure the >staff would be most helpful for you in USA if you emailed them. They >certainly helpful via telephone. >Records can also be ordered by post. At the research centre of the >Toowoomba & DD FH Soc we have forms to be posted, so I presume these >forms would be widely available at other centres. >Cheers >Marionne > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Beverly (Markham) - please excuse - we're a bit off topic here (and to add insult to injury, I have left John's letter attached for those who have missed his information) Thank you John for the encouragement. I do know quite a good deal about Milne Bay - though maybe I should say "I did". It's stored in the back of my mind for future reference, (I do recall "moonshine" though) and Albert Grulke is trying to persuade me to dig it out. Simple, I'm not ready! I have a wonderful Legacy Representative who will help when I'm ready, but in the meantime, the Great War 1914-1918 is of immense interest to both David and myself. David's Grandfather GIESEMANN (Laidley etc) went back to Germany at an old age to see his family in Bissendorf during WWI and died there in 1917 of starvation. David's Father and my maternal Grandfather both served in Egypt and Gallipoli, so the addresses and advice you have given are greatly appreciated. I don't believe our Germans, Danes, Irish and English people had been here long enough to be in the Boer War though -). I'll have to re-check those Irish Harrisons! Cheers Bev Kerlin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Harkin" <harkin@pencc.org> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: boer,ww1andww2 > re the Milnw BayMuseum emails in regard to Boer,1ww and 2ww I have never paid for any of my dossiers as suggested $16-40. However try the Museum.BOER WAR 1899-1902 > > In regard to Albert William Christie for Boer War records go to Internet Explorer ,click Yahoo, enter www.naa.gov.au ,click on National Archives of Australia, click on Service Records, click on Boer war 1899-1902, click on Boer War Nominal Roll. This should gives you two entries for Christie. First is. number 201 Private, 4(Qld) Imperial Bushmen CNTGNT, Qld , Murray page number 483. Second is . number 19, Corporal, 7BN AUST CMNWLTH HORSE (QLD), QLD,Murray page Number 531.On the same page click on "instruction" and that will explain what Murray page means. I do not know if there are any records of service as most Services before the 1st World war kept records of a soldier's service, only the Officers records were kept. Try the archives, I think they have their attestation documents. You may have some luck as they might have changed the units into Commonwealth units after federstion. 1st WORLD WARI have had no luck finding relatives on the computer in the fi! > rst world war I have 1st war service records of one Uncle who enlisted under his elder brother's name and served from September 1914 until February 1919 in the 15th Battalion, a Queensland unit. During this time he was wounded three times. Twice at Gallopoli against the Turks and once in France against the Germans, and rose by promotions in the field, to become Company Sergeant Major and then sent to Oxford to obtain his commision to 2nd Lieutenant. I find this record fascinating reading and I have made up a file on him. On the right hand corner of his file I have his service photo and three A4 pages of his record. This includes three telegrams of his being wounded. There was a long delay before his parents were notified of his wounding. I can follow his evacuation from Gallopoli through the various hopitals to to Egypt Hospital and re training in Egypt. He was sent almost a year later to his battalion in France. Because of someone being wounded, killed or being made a priso! > ner of war he was promoted in the field, each time, to his new rank When wounded in France he was sent to Hospital in England then returned to his battalion.Then before war's end he went to Oxford for Officer training. The brother whose name he had used to go to war was killed in a mine accident in Queensland in 1916. His elder brother went as a reinforcement to the 2nd Light Horse Regiment, a Queensland Regiment,.and was wounded twice against the Turks. The second time was at Beersheba and he was evacuated eventually to Cairo and the sent back to Australia by Hospital ship and eventually discharged on a war pension. The Light Horse was not used as Cavalary but used their horses to get to about 1500 yards from the enemy and then proceed on foot into battle. Beersheba was, however, a Cavalary Charge. Even though I have extensive Genealogical records, I find these records more interesting. By using war books and finding out the dates where they were wounded or promoted I can s! > ee all the battles they fought in. The address I found for 1st War records was Austrlian Archives National Office World War1 Personnel Records Service PO Box 117 Mitchell ACT 2911 at no cost to me. > > In searching I suggest AMW 133 the Nominal Roll for AIF in the 1914-1918 War. This list is in Alphabetical order and lists the number, rank, surname, given name, unit date of enlistment, if returned to Australia or killed and date of embarkation for Australia. The number is the battalion number as each unit started from 1 and nmbered its own men. Officers in the 1st AIF did not have a number so my uncle did not have a number on discharge. Remember this is the end of the war list of units etc. So do not be suprised if you cannot find your relative or friend in the next list. Whilst overseas a lot of new units were formed or units disbanded. This list is AMW 8 a list of Australians who left Australia for overseas in their unit and on what ship. By reading the instructions you can find out the Fiche number for each unit and then you can see the comprehensive listing on this document. It lists regimental number, name in full, rank, age, trade or calling, married or single, addre! > ss at date of enlistment, next of kin and address, religion,date of joining, AMF unit serving in at date of enlistment and pay under six coulums. This is a very good source of information to check if you have the right person. For instance one Uncle put an "s" after our name and one has his mother as next of kin the other his father as next of kin. Remember the unit on AMW 133 might not be the one he left Australia on AMW8. In this list my uncle(the officer) has a number as he left Australia as a private. These lists might only be in State Libraries.or other big societies > > .2nd War 1939-1945 These records cannot be found in the Archives. The address is Soldier Careeer Management Authority GPO Box 393D Melbourne Vic 3001 This is much tougher to get information from. You need to have > > (a) written consent of the ex-member must be provided, or if he is deceased, a written statement from you to that effect is required > > (b) the inquirer's relationship to the ex-member must be stated. If you are notdirectly related ( i.e. the members parent, spouse,child,brother or sister), the written consent of the ex-member closest surviving next of kin is required, > 1.. the reason for the request must be stated > For my own disability claim I used Freedom of Information to obtain my records from the RAAF. > > I have not long obtained my fathers VDC records and my dead cousin's record of Service in Japan, Korea and for later service in the Regular Australian Army with no trouble. I have hit a hurdle in obtaining more information about my father and also an Uncle of mine who served pre Japan overseas in Papua in the Militia and later joined the AIF and served for a long time in the Islands. I have two letters, on the same date, from the same SCMA office. One says it will be a time whilst they process my claim the other says I have to supply proof of identity even though I have obtained my fathers record from the same office...SNAFU!! > > Beverly you can find out about your father from either the Soldier Career Management Authority address or.. > > Personnnel Records > > (Queanbeyan Annexe) > > Department of Defence Canberra ACT 2600 > > Just quote your name, that he is your father and his full name and any information you know about him.

Thanks Wayne, I have the Franco Prussian was medal of his, this one is the same size and has a wreath if leaves on the front with the same crown but instead of a W under it it has a K which is bigger. Now the back is ummm bear with me. it looks like a coat of arms of some sort a half circle that then dips back to meet in the centre, on the top of the outside tips are two lion head sort of beasts and the coat of arms has two crossed swords behind it draper with material. In the middle of the coat of arms is writing which i can't read. I know this discription is sketchy but is the best i can do :)

re the Milnw BayMuseum emails in regard to Boer,1ww and 2ww I have never paid for any of my dossiers as suggested $16-40. However try the Museum.BOER WAR 1899-1902 In regard to Albert William Christie for Boer War records go to Internet Explorer ,click Yahoo, enter www.naa.gov.au ,click on National Archives of Australia, click on Service Records, click on Boer war 1899-1902, click on Boer War Nominal Roll. This should gives you two entries for Christie. First is. number 201 Private, 4(Qld) Imperial Bushmen CNTGNT, Qld , Murray page number 483. Second is . number 19, Corporal, 7BN AUST CMNWLTH HORSE (QLD), QLD,Murray page Number 531.On the same page click on "instruction" and that will explain what Murray page means. I do not know if there are any records of service as most Services before the 1st World war kept records of a soldier's service, only the Officers records were kept. Try the archives, I think they have their attestation documents. You may have some luck as they might have changed the units into Commonwealth units after federstion. 1st WORLD WARI have had no luck finding relatives on the computer in the fi! rst world war I have 1st war service records of one Uncle who enlisted under his elder brother's name and served from September 1914 until February 1919 in the 15th Battalion, a Queensland unit. During this time he was wounded three times. Twice at Gallopoli against the Turks and once in France against the Germans, and rose by promotions in the field, to become Company Sergeant Major and then sent to Oxford to obtain his commision to 2nd Lieutenant. I find this record fascinating reading and I have made up a file on him. On the right hand corner of his file I have his service photo and three A4 pages of his record. This includes three telegrams of his being wounded. There was a long delay before his parents were notified of his wounding. I can follow his evacuation from Gallopoli through the various hopitals to to Egypt Hospital and re training in Egypt. He was sent almost a year later to his battalion in France. Because of someone being wounded, killed or being made a priso! ner of war he was promoted in the field, each time, to his new rank When wounded in France he was sent to Hospital in England then returned to his battalion.Then before war's end he went to Oxford for Officer training. The brother whose name he had used to go to war was killed in a mine accident in Queensland in 1916. His elder brother went as a reinforcement to the 2nd Light Horse Regiment, a Queensland Regiment,.and was wounded twice against the Turks. The second time was at Beersheba and he was evacuated eventually to Cairo and the sent back to Australia by Hospital ship and eventually discharged on a war pension. The Light Horse was not used as Cavalary but used their horses to get to about 1500 yards from the enemy and then proceed on foot into battle. Beersheba was, however, a Cavalary Charge. Even though I have extensive Genealogical records, I find these records more interesting. By using war books and finding out the dates where they were wounded or promoted I can s! ee all the battles they fought in. The address I found for 1st War records was Austrlian Archives National Office World War1 Personnel Records Service PO Box 117 Mitchell ACT 2911 at no cost to me. In searching I suggest AMW 133 the Nominal Roll for AIF in the 1914-1918 War. This list is in Alphabetical order and lists the number, rank, surname, given name, unit date of enlistment, if returned to Australia or killed and date of embarkation for Australia. The number is the battalion number as each unit started from 1 and nmbered its own men. Officers in the 1st AIF did not have a number so my uncle did not have a number on discharge. Remember this is the end of the war list of units etc. So do not be suprised if you cannot find your relative or friend in the next list. Whilst overseas a lot of new units were formed or units disbanded. This list is AMW 8 a list of Australians who left Australia for overseas in their unit and on what ship. By reading the instructions you can find out the Fiche number for each unit and then you can see the comprehensive listing on this document. It lists regimental number, name in full, rank, age, trade or calling, married or single, addre! ss at date of enlistment, next of kin and address, religion,date of joining, AMF unit serving in at date of enlistment and pay under six coulums. This is a very good source of information to check if you have the right person. For instance one Uncle put an "s" after our name and one has his mother as next of kin the other his father as next of kin. Remember the unit on AMW 133 might not be the one he left Australia on AMW8. In this list my uncle(the officer) has a number as he left Australia as a private. These lists might only be in State Libraries.or other big societies .2nd War 1939-1945 These records cannot be found in the Archives. The address is Soldier Careeer Management Authority GPO Box 393D Melbourne Vic 3001 This is much tougher to get information from. You need to have (a) written consent of the ex-member must be provided, or if he is deceased, a written statement from you to that effect is required (b) the inquirer's relationship to the ex-member must be stated. If you are notdirectly related ( i.e. the members parent, spouse,child,brother or sister), the written consent of the ex-member closest surviving next of kin is required, 1.. the reason for the request must be stated For my own disability claim I used Freedom of Information to obtain my records from the RAAF. I have not long obtained my fathers VDC records and my dead cousin's record of Service in Japan, Korea and for later service in the Regular Australian Army with no trouble. I have hit a hurdle in obtaining more information about my father and also an Uncle of mine who served pre Japan overseas in Papua in the Militia and later joined the AIF and served for a long time in the Islands. I have two letters, on the same date, from the same SCMA office. One says it will be a time whilst they process my claim the other says I have to supply proof of identity even though I have obtained my fathers record from the same office...SNAFU!! Beverly you can find out about your father from either the Soldier Career Management Authority address or.. 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Hi, I have a German war medal that i think is from the Franco Prussian War, it belonged to my GGGrandfather. I have tried to identify it on the web but can't seem to see it listed.. Does anyone know of a site that has a comprehensive listing of German War medals. Thanks Trish

Hello all, I recently attended a Genealogical conference which proved to be very enlightening for me. Most of us are aware of the stories in the old Testament when the Babylonians came to conquer Jerusalem. The Children of Israel were scattered among the nations, so the Bible says. Well, the subject of the presentation was the Diaspora and how it relates to us in this year of 2002. The researcher presented a paper on tracking the dispersion of the Israelites through the nations of the world by using language study. It seems that there are some root words of the Hebrew language that hold constant in meaning and have been adopted into the languages of the people among whom the Israelites settled after the Diaspora. I found this to be fascinating. In school in Queensland, we were taught the Latin Root's and required to memorize them. This has helped me figure out the possible meaning of a word that I had not seen before. In same vein, these Hebrew root words can be found in language (particularly those group of languages into which the German language family falls) and thus attesting to the fact that the Hebrew's did scatter at the time of the Babylonian invasion as recorded in the bible. So what other things can we expect from that? I guess we can suppose that not all these people who escaped Jerusalem just intermarried among themselves, but that they married with the people among whom they settled. Our German ancestors did the same thing. For a couple of generations they kept to themselves and then they married out of the German cultural group thus increasing the genealogical base for all of us to track. The question then arises, how many of us then carry genetic material that can be tracked back to the Diaspora? After hearing this paper, I suspect that there are more of us than we suspect who can track our genetic material to the Diaspora. When it was pointed out to me that my maiden name of EISER was in fact of Jewish Origin, it was a very new thought to me. At the family reunions last year in Drayton and Cabarlah, I presented this same proposition to the family gathered there and the thought was expressed that "We are not Jews. We are Church of England (plug in any religion that you want here." The implication of the Diaspora has nothing to do with the religion we follow - it has to do with the genetic markers that we all share. By following the Genetic markers, we will be able to connect up with distant branches of the families to whom we belong. We may not have the information on the intervening generations, but we will be able to make positive identification of our living relatives through this modern method of identification. It is a known fact that not all of our ancestors migrated to Australia and left no one in their native lands. There were aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews who remained behind to carry on with their lives. Contact was lost with the families at "home" and wars have divided cultures and countries and decimated family contacts so the last best hope of connecting up with living relatives is this genetic testing. May I urge you all to participate in such testing if it is available to you. Just a thought. cheers, Beverly.

Hello Bev (Kerlin), Off topic conversations would be more like griping about your bunions that hurt after you trapsed all over a graveyard looking for someone only to find that they are still alive! I suspect that if the Australian Army, in any of the wars in which it has participated, would be rather short of soldiers if it excluded all persons, who are in any way ,of German descent. cheers, Beverly.

Hi Listers For those who were unaware - if you submit your GEDCOM to worldconnect, you are also submitting to ancestry! My files have been removed from worldconnect for quite a few days. If anyone would like information re our families, please contact me direct. Bev K. Following is part of a message received from ancestry yesterday: """""""Subject: Re: Form message from http://ancestry.com/help/contact/main.htm (KMM3456200C0KM) If your file was submitted through RootsWeb.com. This file must be removed there. Please see the following instructions provided by RootsWeb.com. To remove a WorldConnect GEDCOM, go to the following URL: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igmuser.cgi"""""""""""

Hello James and other interested Listers My Dad was a Lance Corporal in the R.A.A.F and was stationed at Milne Bay during his Tour of Duty during World War II. He also served at Rabaul, Lae and Moresby itself. Some time was spent in the Solomons. He was an Aircraft Maintenance man, a painter, and I think the closest that crew got to the war was when they used the pits (toilets or whatever you choose to call them). The Japanese fighter pilots used to strafe the "pits" every morning and Dad carried shrapnel and scars from these attacks, until his death in 1990. The last piece of shrapnel 'emerged' from his forearm when I was a young woman. It was about two and a half centimeters long - an inch for we oldies! His name was Walter COURTNEY and - yes - I do know his service number. I have his war medals and quite a few faded photographs of him and his mates at Milne Bay. Some of his "pay books" are also here. How can I help the museum Jim? There isn't anything I would give away, but maybe some copies of photos might help? Maybe a copy of a couple of pages of the pay books? Let me know please. Bev Kerlin

>can the resourses of the milne bay museum hrlp me to uncover details of a >queensland volunteer to the boar war? He was albert william christie, a >resident of ipswich when he would have volunteered(apparently twice) >firstly in the 3rd intake and or the 4th intake of the Qld Imperial >Bushmen,then later apparently,again, as a sergeant with the 7th Bat.Aust >C'wealth Horse, Apart from that I have no more info, G'day ????, Look up the Australian war Memorial site on the internet. You will see there is a Boer war nominal roll. You can search that. It is copied from Murray's "Record of Australian Contingents to the War In South Africa 1899-1902". From the actual book 201 Private Albert William CHRISTIE was a member of The Fourth (Queensland Imperial Bushmen) Contingent He is noted as "care of Mrs. Thos. CHRISTIE, Limestone Street, IPSWICH" in this contingent. In the Seventh Australian Commonwealth Horse there is a 19 Corporal Albert William CHRISTIE Any of his Queensland (pre 1901) records will be with Queensland State Archives, and will probably be only his enlistment details. The Seventh Australian Horse was a post federation unit, and as such any records (again probably only enlistment details) will be with National Archives of Australia. Best Wishes Phillip MURPHY

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can the resourses of the milne bay museum hrlp me to uncover details of a queensland volunteer to the boar war? He was albert william christie, a resident of ipswich when he would have volunteered(apparently twice) firstly in the 3rd intake and or the 4th intake of the Qld Imperial Bushmen,then later apparently,again, as a sergeant with the 7th Bat.Aust C'wealth Horse, Apart from that I have no more info,