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    1. Old Papers--Legal Notices--20 Jul 1895/ Dec 1891
    2. Bev Edmonds
    3. The Queenslander,1926 [no date but after the 26th July 1926] [Extract only] In the Supreme Court of Queensland. To Carl Wilhelm George ECKERT, formerly of Maryborough but whose present whereabouts are unknown. Take notice that an action has been commenced against you in the Supreme Court of Quensland at Brisbane No. 285 of 1926 by Julia Henrietta ECKERT your wife and by a petition filed in the Supreme Court on the twenty-ninth day of June One thousand nine hundred and twenty-six she alleges that in or about the month of October One thousand nine hundred and seventeen and continuously for a period of five years and upward you have without cause deserted the said Julia Henrietta ERKERT etc. etc. This advertisement also to be advertised once in The Bulletin a newspaper published at Sydney, in the Sate of New South Wales, once in maryborough Chronicle a newspaper published in Maryborough in the State and also by personal service of this advertisement on your brother at Maryborough etc. etc. Dated at Brisbane this Twenty-seventh day of July, 1926. [L.S.] F.S. KENNEDY -------------------------------------------------------------- Taken from the Queenslander, Brisbane, dated 20 July, 1895 Legal Notices [Extract only] Statutory Notice to Creditors In the Will of Frederick William RIDLER, late of Caerleon, Wocking, in the County of Surrey, in England, Gentleman, Deceased. Pursuant to the Trustes and Incapacitated persons Act of 1867, notice is hereby given that all persons having any Claims of Demands upon or against the Estate of the obovenamed deceased, of whose Estate and Effects in Queensland Letters of Administration [with Exemplification of Probate of the Will annexed] were, on the Sixth day of June 1895, granted to Queensland Trustees Limited etc. etc. Dated this Twelfth day of July, 1895. THYNNE & MACARTNEY, Solicitors for the said Queensland Trustees Limited, A.M.P. Chambers, Edward-street, Brisbane. Statutory Notice to Creditors. In the Goods of Helen Jane RIDLER, late of Chestnuts, Woking, in the County of Surrey, in England, Spinster, Deceased, an Intestate. Pursuant to the provisions of the Trustees and Incapicated Persons Act of 1867, notice is herby given that all persons having any claims or demands upon or against the Estate of the abovenamed deceased, of whose Estate and Effects in Queensland Letters and Administration etc. etc., were on the Fourth day of July, 1895, granted to Queensland Trustees Limited, etc. etc. Dated the Twelfth Day of July, 1895. THYNNE & MACARTNEY, Solicitors, for the said Queensland Trustees Limited, A.M.P. Chambers, Edward-street, Brisbane. -------------------------------------- In the Supreme Court of Quensland. Date of paper unknown but would be the first Saturday after the date 26 November, 1891. In the Matter of the Trustee Act, 1889; and in the matter of the Will of Daniel WILLIAMS, formerly of Brisbane, in the Colony of Queensland, but late of St. Leonard's, Sussex, England, Contractor, Deceased. Notice is hereby given that the Accounts of peter MACPHERSON and William FORREST, the trustees of the abovenamed Estate, from the First day of Novemebr, One Thousand eight hundred and ninety, the the Thirty-first day of October, One thousand eight hundred and ninety-one, have this day been filed in my office etc. etc. Dated this Twenty-sixth day of November, A.D., 1891. M. JENSEN, Deputy registrar. THYNNE & GOERTZ, trustee' Soliciters, Queen-street, Brisbane. --------------------------------- Cheers Bev

    02/10/2002 04:10:42
    1. MAPS & NAMES
    2. Bev Kerlin
    3. Hello to all of the German/Irish decendants originating from South East Queensland! When we look at the old maps, and the names thereon, we see IRISH AND GERMAN/PRUSSIAN with a few DANES and other SCANDINAVIANs thrown in for good luck. In fact, I don't think I recognise any other nationality at that point in time. All of the long standing Listers know I am working on the SEQ Germans (David's maternal side, in particular the GIESEMANNs and HANSENs +++++) but I don't think you know that his paternal side HARRISON/WILLIS from Co Armagh and KERLIN/BELL from Co Down were in Beaudesert. In fact the original Harrison home "Broomfield" is still standing and occupied by a descendant! Grandfather William John and his twin brother Moses, and another brother James (KERLIN) and their families spent the early 1900s in Laidley and Ipswich and that is how Mum KERLIN (Hansen/Giesemann) met Leslie Oswald KERLIN. (Or there wouldn't be a David!) A GIESEMANN from Laidley married a lady HARRISON from Beaudesert too! Aunty Katie (Giesemann) married Jens FREDERIKSEN from Gdansk and they had property at Tamborine and Glen Eagles. The FLANAGANs (Co Offaly) were also in both areas. So apart from the Lockyer Valley people, we are having to move further afield in our family research. I have joined the AUST-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com List (don't forget to put the '-request' after the L to subscribe) in an effort to cover this gap. I can't help wondering how many SEQ folk aren't subscribing to both Lists?! I am forward a copy of this mail to Ireland Lists. There could well be a way we can all get our heads together. BTW I am only about one eighth Irish, if that, so don't pick on me. I am English - well, in a way or seven! Cheers Bev kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au Researching: KERLIN/BELL Co Down, HARRISON/WILLIS Co Armagh (Ireland] BARKER/YOUNG or YOUNGs Norfolk, BARNETT/CANTLE Gloucester, COURTNEY/DALTON Camberwell [England] GIESEMANN/TIMM [Prussia], HANSEN/HENDRIKSEN etc [Denmark]

    02/10/2002 01:57:34
    1. RE: LOBEGEIGER/WELLS and more.
    2. Tom & Lorrae Johnson
    3. Hi Christine Would be interested in more information on your families. Margaret Huth (not on line) is researching the HUTH families and her research is based on: Carl Friedrich Wilhelm HUTH and Johanna Auguste Caroline DAHM who married 2Mar1845. Their son Hermann Carl Franz HUTH married 5Jul1869 to Emilie Wilhelmine Caroline LOBEGEIER Do you have this line and if so, I can forward your snail mail address to Margaret. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: C. Recker [mailto:recker@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2002 11:23 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: LOBEGEIGER/WELLS and more. Hello all, Looking for contact with descendants of families I am researching. They were all from Boonah, Kalbar, Beaudesert areas. WELLS LOBEGEIGER/LOBEGEYER STEPHAN STEWART HUTH SCHNEIDER SLATTER All the best, Christine, in Mackay.

    02/08/2002 02:36:06
    1. Littmann family
    2. Merv Littmann
    3. Hi List, Is there anyone (any long lost relatives?) researching the Littmann name in Queensland? I have, in addition to later (mostly family anecdotal) material, the following records from an index: Louis NIEBLING married Wihelmine LITTMANN 10-9-1885 Cert No. 1885/001498 Death of Auguste LITTMANN 25-2-1888 Father August LITTMANN Mother Elizabeth NIBBLING Cert No. 1888/003139 Birth of Caroline Wihelmin LITTMANN 20-11-1889 Father August LITTMANN Mother Elizabeth NIBBLING cert 1889/008934 Most were farmers around Haigsleigh. As far as I know, there was only one family line in Queensland, so anything at all would be of interest. Thanks, Merv Littmann

    02/06/2002 01:47:11
    1. Re: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #29
    2. Warren
    3. It was known as an Ahnenpass. I understand they were required mainly for people in or wanting to be in public office or the armed forces although they may have been more widespread. A lot were destroyed at the end of the war, unfortunate for family historians. Warren *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/02/2002 at 7:55 AM Lynette Joy Bateson wrote: Hi all, In 1936 my great Grandfather's brother, Albert Dionysius, had to fill out a German Form concerning his parents and his grandparents, who they were and stating if their was any Jewish background. He was living in West Pomerania on Is. Ruegen in the Baltic Sea. Both he and his brother had served in the German navy in early 1880's. As far as I know, they found no Jewish ancestory. I have a copy of the document so signed by him, warning him that there would be serious consequences if the form was incorrectly filled out. Les Moreland of Kenilworth was amazed to see this document - proof of Hitler's intension to seek out Jewish and "impure" ancestory. Cheers Lyn AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 29 > > Today's Topics: > #1 genetics & religion [Marionne Diggles <mamee@hotkey.net] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D, send a message to > > AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: genetics & religion > Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:06:12 +1000 > From: Marionne Diggles <mamee@hotkey.net.au> > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Beverly, > > My uninformed opinion re Jewish heritage is that perhaps the old saying > along the lines of "your mother is known for certain......" is the > reason for Jewishness being inherited through the maternal line. Now > that genetic testing is available, there must be some of the faith who > question this. It surely will pose a dilemma in the future. > > Cheers > Marionne -- MZ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

    02/06/2002 02:27:54
    1. Re: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #29
    2. Lynette Joy Bateson
    3. Hi all, In 1936 my great Grandfather's brother, Albert Dionysius, had to fill out a German Form concerning his parents and his grandparents, who they were and stating if their was any Jewish background. He was living in West Pomerania on Is. Ruegen in the Baltic Sea. Both he and his brother had served in the German navy in early 1880's. As far as I know, they found no Jewish ancestory. I have a copy of the document so signed by him, warning him that there would be serious consequences if the form was incorrectly filled out. Les Moreland of Kenilworth was amazed to see this document - proof of Hitler's intension to seek out Jewish and "impure" ancestory. Cheers Lyn AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 29 > > Today's Topics: > #1 genetics & religion [Marionne Diggles <mamee@hotkey.net] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D, send a message to > > AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: genetics & religion > Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:06:12 +1000 > From: Marionne Diggles <mamee@hotkey.net.au> > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Beverly, > > My uninformed opinion re Jewish heritage is that perhaps the old saying > along the lines of "your mother is known for certain......" is the > reason for Jewishness being inherited through the maternal line. Now > that genetic testing is available, there must be some of the faith who > question this. It surely will pose a dilemma in the future. > > Cheers > Marionne -- MZ

    02/05/2002 12:55:12
    1. genetics & religion
    2. Marionne Diggles
    3. Hi Beverly, My uninformed opinion re Jewish heritage is that perhaps the old saying along the lines of "your mother is known for certain......" is the reason for Jewishness being inherited through the maternal line. Now that genetic testing is available, there must be some of the faith who question this. It surely will pose a dilemma in the future. Cheers Marionne

    02/04/2002 12:06:12
    1. Re: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #26
    2. HAZEL PATTERSON
    3. Christine Recker, I was unable to reply to you privately, I have Slatters in my family line, William and Edith Slatter from Long Crendon in Buckinghamshire migrated to Kalbar in the 1870's, they were my great great grandparents. Hazel Patterson, Bundaberg ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ -----Original Message----- From: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D@rootsweb.com <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 2 February 2002 12:12 Subject: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #26

    02/03/2002 11:41:04
    1. RE: the Diaspora and our heritage.
    2. Albert Grulke
    3. Beverley and others, First of all the Rabbi's idea is not biblically based. If my knowledge is wrong and if it is someone will soon correct me, the Jews in biblical times created some 700 rules over and above what we find in the old testament. This was the issue with Christ. They wanted to follow laws and he wanted to follow the heart or spirit. Come on you theologians take me to task. I am intrigued by what you have written. Thought I might share how I developed this whole theory. My wife I was always told that our ancestors came from Germany. Several years ago I developed a friendship with a German migrant who was a lecturer in history at the Melbourne University. He told me that my surname was not German but Polish and meant "root farmer". That the Grulke familles were potato farmers from central Europe for generations. When I started on this project I pursued his line of reason and found that in fact they had came from Pomerania. I pursued the history of Pomerania and found that it was a nation of tribal pole from the Ural mountain regions and were originally Slavic. I was trying to find out more when somebody from the USA sent me an email and said that he was Grulke and could not find any Grulke family in Pomerania but did find them in Volhynia. Never heard of this place but research again and found it. On further research I found that the name Grulke and Beier were common names in Volhynia although the spelling was slightly different. I think Grulke had an "H" in it and an emulate. The Beier has a slight variation as well but can't recall right now the difference. On further research I came to a conclusion that these Volhynian people had migrated some centuries before form Salvia. I further researched and discovered that the Jewish population was very strong in Volhynia and that many of the progressive Jews had migrated to Pomerania and Silesia sometime in the 16th century. In fact what appears to have happened is that immediately after the reformation in Germany the Lutherans or Evangelish as they were known had sent missionaries to Volhynia to convert the Jews and Gypsy population to Christianity. As a result there was in Volhynia a large Christian population of Evangelish. I assume that the Catholic Church must have followed in also but have never had reason to consider it. Apparently in about the 17th century there was some pressure placed on these Lutheran Christians of Jewish and Slavic descent. This it seems, led to their migrating to Pomerania and to Silesia. It may be they also went to other areas because my wife's father's family of Proposch came from Spreewalde. I have a German man who calls all too often and I mentioned it to him that Naomi's grandfather came from Spreewalde and asked where it was. His immediate response was, "Bloody Gypsies." On further questions he told us that the Spreewalde people were swamp dwellers and that the majority of the people were classified in Germany as Gypsies and had came there from Salvia. Now all my research indicates that the majority and the minority is very small, of Germanic migrants in the 19th century to Australia came from Pomerania and Silesia. I am looking all the time for reasons for migration. I found out almost from the beginning that this theory about religion is just a theory promoted by certain people for their own self-ego. The fact is that only two boat loads of migrants to South Australia and one small settlement to Queensland had any real religious connection. In fact evidence is now coming to suggest that only a small percentage of the South Australian boat people were religiously motivated. If there were so many Catholics as in Queensland then there needed to be another reason. My daughter who is doing some history masters or majors degree at la Trobe came home with a story that does start to make sense. How factual her theory is I have no idea but it does provide a common thread for migration. She says that when the Prussian rulers started to take over Northern Germany in the mid 19th century they decided to rid the country of the 'impure' Germans and Poles. So they undertook a persecution programme against anybody who was not of true German or Polish origin. The result was that the many families who had came there in the passed two or three centuries from Volhynia and the Slavic regions plus the Jewish descendants were enticed to leave the land. They migrated to America and to Australia with a few to South Africa. She says that this persecution programme continued in some form or another but not with the same brutality right up until the second world war. How true all that is I have no idea but it sure makes logic to me when I read some of the reasons I recieve from people on why their ancestors migrated. I have often wondered why Hitler was so brutal against the Poles and this might even answer that. Anyhow folks that is how I have come to my present position and reckon that 99% of us will find that we are of Jewish or Slavic origin. I would love to hear from people who can prove me either right or wrong and hear some other theories. Albert Grulke

    02/03/2002 05:00:52
    1. Shane Kruger
    2. After all the virus that have come to me from this link, please remove me from the list... Thanks for the Info in the past few years. Shane Kruger Briibie Island Australia..

    02/02/2002 02:37:19
    1. Re: MÜLLERS AGAIN!!
    2. Mr Kerry Muller
    3. Hi Bev, The only map I have is the one on the front cover of the Tallegalla Centenary booklet. This has a C MULLER on lot 569, but I do not know which C MULLER this is. I do not think it is my line of MULLER's, but cannot be sure. I obtained the book for my maternal side which is BERLIN, GERBER, KRAATZ and KRAUSE. I have scanned the front cover, so if anyone would like a copy, let me know. Kerry Muller MELBOURNE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: MÜLLERS AGAIN!! Hello Fellow MÜLLER Hunters If Great Aunt Mary (Maria Katharina GIESEMANN) hadn't married into the BEETHAM family, and had all of those children who multiplied as did their parents, we wouldn't be in this mess! I think we maybe should call on our dear friend Herr Peter WODDOW for help with his Uckermark knowledge! We have Kerry, Cathy, Daph, Bev(JS), Therese, Mike, Gay, Gary and probably more than half the descendants from the Valley and beyond looking for these families. Possibly, some are looking at them "from a distance", as in - via other family members, but the trail gets rough!! The original pioneers came from the Uckermark - Templin, Bagemuhl, Millmersdorf, Zusidom etc. From what I see so far, most of them - related or otherwise (still to be determined) - settled north and north east of, and in, Boonah. We have Boonah, Kalbar, Roadvale, Mutdapilly, Englesburg, etc.etc. Some of their children went west to Dalby, north to Maryborough, east to the Coast, and probably further afield. Dozens were buried in Kalbar. Does anyone have the old Ordnance Maps for that area please? The ones with the settlers' names? I am wondering if we can establish any connections here, other than the hundreds we already have? As a matter of interest, I have copies of Rosewood, Grandchester, Blenheim and parts of Laidley Parishes, which I'd be pleased to share. HANSEN/HANSON jumped out at me yesterday, viz. Oluf HANSEN from Denmark. I have worked on Odense Amt, Vends Herred and have all but 3 søgnen of the 1845 Census. I also have Hårslev and Korup for that year, 1880/1881 for Middelfart, and most years for Svendborg. If I can help please ask me. Does anyone know of Census records - on line - for Schleswig-Holstein and Elmshorn (Niedersachsen) for the early 1800s please? Daph, I still have some work to do on your enquiry - it's August Carl isn't it? (Did a huge delete job last week and now I don't know who wants what!!). I now have Samuel's family - another waif who has a mummy and daddy after all!! Cheers Bev K ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

    02/02/2002 02:16:47
    1. MÜLLERs
    2. Bev Kerlin
    3. Hi Allison and Kerry Thank you Allison for that information. So - they went that far north?! It was nice of you to note the Elmshorn record, but that particular query was regarding the GIESEMANN families. Please don't give me any Mullers that far west, I might become insane overnight (or earlier). Kerry, I would like a copy of that book cover please. I'm wondering if the Dern Index covers the families in the Kalbar Cemetery? One file talks about Kalbar Baptist Cemetery - I'm sure you would know, are there two or more cemeteries in such a little place? What do you think of the idea that your Bagemuhl families could be tied up with those others? I reckon MÜLLER in Prussia is equal to SMITH or BROWN etc.!! Best wishes to all Bev K

    02/02/2002 02:11:40
    1. Whoa! Census searches
    2. Bev Kerlin
    3. Hi out there I haven't checked the mail yet this morning, but I have a few concerns about my offer to help the Danes! Søgn = Parish Herred = District Amt = County The majority of my material is for Vends Herred in Odense Amt, which is on the western side of the Isle of Fyn/Fyen/Fuen. Unless you have the District at least, I don't have a hope of helping. Even in Vends, I have only 10 of the 13 Parishes (søgnen). Each one is huge! Also you must understand that the patronymic system was used until the mid 1800s, so if you are looking for HANSEN it is simply that his father was HANS something or other. The female offspring could be HANSEN, HANSDATTER or sometimes the records show HANSDTR. In other words, we need more information such as the name of the spouse at least, and preferably the names of the children. I can imagine your frustration - thought it would be easy eh? Sorry, but I will still try to help. Cheers Bev K

    02/02/2002 01:44:35
    1. EXTANT CENSUS RECORDS
    2. Jenny Myers
    3. Hi All, Had this info saved from the Hannover list......... on 13 Jan 2001 17:51:15 -0500, "Bob Niehaus" <rniehaus@mindspring.com> wrote: > Be aware that Hannover was a kingdom covering the northwest sector of what is > now Germany, with records of people available maiinly in Parish church books > (kirchenbucher) and a few state records, with no census records. There were and are extant census records for at least parts of Hannover. I've used them for the years 1833, 1836, 1842, 1845, 1848, 1852, 1858, 1861, and 1864. Look up the FHL microfilm number 174786, for instance. -- =Jim Eggert EggertJ@crosswinds.net _______________________________________________ Hannover-l mailing list Hannover-l@genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l Jenny Myers - Arcadia Vale NSW on beautiful Lake Macquarie President Lake Macquarie F H Group NSW http://www.lmfhg.hl.com.au Member Maitland F H Circle NSW Member Armidale F H Group NSW Member Wivelsfield History Study Group SSX

    02/01/2002 04:41:57
    1. Translation service
    2. Janice Nightingale
    3. Jenny, I have not tried this service myself, but am about to. http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/translation.html Janice N' _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

    02/01/2002 04:23:27
    1. LOBEGEIGER/WELLS and more.
    2. C. Recker
    3. Hello all, Looking for contact with descendants of families I am researching. They were all from Boonah, Kalbar, Beaudesert areas. WELLS LOBEGEIGER/LOBEGEYER STEPHAN STEWART HUTH SCHNEIDER SLATTER All the best, Christine, in Mackay.

    02/01/2002 04:22:35
    1. Re translation
    2. Dunroamin
    3. Many thanks to all who have replied to my request. Jenny

    02/01/2002 12:38:05
    1. Re: the Diaspora and our heritage.
    2. Beverly Markham
    3. Hello Nola and Albert, I am replying to the list so that others who may have questions, yet too timid to post, will find out some answers. The way I found out that my maiden name is of Jewish extraction, was from a gentleman in California who answered one of my queries to another list. His family name is EISER (ancestry) but his surname is different due to marriage. He does not hold to the Jewish Faith (religion), but has Rabbi's in his ancestry. He is a charismatic Christian, so he told me. I asked him about the question of Jewish vs. non Jewish in regards to descendancy. My proposition was that since the child receives half of his/her genes from the mother and the other half from the father, then the genetic makeup of necessity contains Jewish Genes. He agreed with me that genetically, if you have Jewish persons in your ancestry, then you of necessity carry some genetic material in your DNA that would point to connection with the Jewish Ancestor. However, the Rabbi's have decreed that it is only the mother who can pass on Jewish bloodlines to the posterity. This is one point that I cannot understand. The Scientific evidence teaches that our genetic makeup can physically point to connections back as far as the family can be traced. Therefore, according to science, whether it is a male or female who is a descendant of the Jewish people, the descendant will be able to genetically track back to the common ancestor. The case in point is Cheddar Man. In the village of Cheddar, in England, the village school teacher submitted to a genetic test and was very surprised to find that he is a direct descendant (genetically) of the Cheddar Man - a being whose body was preserved in a peat bog/cave (cannot clearly remember which location they have found the body called CHEDDAR MAN) at the village of CHEDDAR. I am not trying to take on the Rabbi's of the world and their line of reasoning, but am asking which authority should we follow? That of Science and scientific finding or that of Rabbinical utterance? The question should be asked 'what is the basis for the Rabbinical stand? Is it based in scriptural tradition or philosophical tradition? or was it made the accepted way of tracking lineage due to some matriarchal pressures? In any case, those of us who find Jewish Ancestry is a given for us, we can expect to find genetic structure the same as is found in the Jewish Population of today. The question was asked of me where could one go to get genetically tested? I do not have an answer for that but I do know that there are a few groups of scientific based research groups who are collecting Genetic material for identification. I suggest that you keep your eyes open for such testing that may be advertised in your paper or you may look on the internet for such groups. I do know that here in the USA there are labs which do genetic testing for a fee but for genetic matching, perhaps a genealogically directed collection of genetic material would be your best bet. I participated in such a study about 2 years ago and it was explained there that once the genetic code had been determined, (each person was given a code name and number), there would be an attempt to find matches with material collected in England, Wales and Germany. I do not know the process by which they do this stuff, but I am excited that I may be able to make connection with relatives living now and long since lost to our knowledge. Are there any other listers who have thoughts on this subject? This could turn into quite a discussion. Remember, we are not talking about RELIGION here but rather genetic connections. cheers, Beverly.

    02/01/2002 12:02:12
    1. Re: LOBEGEIGER/WELLS and more.
    2. Beverly Markham
    3. Dear Christine, I have a John Lobegeiger who married into my TROST line. His parents were John LOBEGEIGER and Bridget SLATTERY. Are these the Lobegeiger family you are looking for? cheers, Beverly.

    02/01/2002 11:27:41
    1. WEISS, Christopher & Sophie (nee DEETICH?)
    2. Lisa Burton
    3. Christopher and Sophie WEISS were the parents of Rosine Wilhelmine WEISS. Rosine was b.c. 1835 Württemberg She married Louis UHLMAN/N, Moreton Bay, Brisbane 05 Sept. 1859 (Qld Ref. 224 1856 - 1873 Brisbane, Q.) I am particularly interested to know if Christian & Sophie emigrated to Australia, along with Rosine and, if so, when and on what vessel? (Louis UHLMAN/N arriv. Moreton Bay 25 May 1859 per "Solon".) Any information most welcome. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes.

    02/01/2002 10:02:35