Hello all and particularly to those who are showing an interest in this subject - Phillip for one! Please let me be very clear on this subject. I DO NOT WANT SEQ GERMANS AND AUS-IRISH TO AMALGAMATE NOR DISAPPEAR - I WOULD DIE !!!!!!!! I have merely suggested that if we have Irish and German folk intertwined, why not send a copy of our mail to the other side, e.g. the GIESEMANN gentleman who belongs on SEQ Germans who married the HARRISON lady who belongs on AUS-IRISH. I am very interested in the German settlement around Bethania and the Logan. This is another example of where the industrious Germans and Irish worked side by side, exactly as they did in the Laidley areas. We seldom discuss Bethania and Logan, and Russell Greig will correct me if I'm wrong (pleeeease Russell?). My predicament is that all of these people are David's families - the Germans etc around the Lockyer Valley and the Irish in Beaudesert. I have a leg in both camps, so to speak. Hey out there! Anyone know any CANTLEs around Wynnum from Gloucester, or YOUNGSs around Sherwood from Norfolk, or COURTNEYs in Clayfield and DALTONs from Camberwell and Bucks? Oh well - I tried! Cheers Bev K.

Passing this on for you to read John A Hansen <jahansen@qwest.net> wrote: From: "John A Hansen" Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:35:23 -0800 Subject: [SWINTON] FW: New MSN Messenger Worm > Not Cool To: SWINTON-L@rootsweb.com Reply-to: SWINTON-L@rootsweb.com Dear All: Here is a real early warning of a new Virus fresh from the testing Labs. You already know about not opening attachments etc from people you don't know etc etc. The format of this new worm has been in development for some time and you have all heard me talk and write about it. So don't open any URL's that you don't know. The AV software programs may be late as well in getting updates out quick enough. But at least update your AV software 2 to 3 times a week for the next few weeks. I do mine daily. There is a scheduler on most AV software and I just have it set to automatically download the latest every night at 3 am. While the first pass here may only be a "show off" piece I have seen vicious programs with deadly payloads that really do some damage and obtain key info that is then forwarded to foreign locations. The first wave will probably be labeled xxxxx.cool.html So watch for the "cool" part first. Later the url will carry other words or links that are designed to appeal to you in some way. Our genealogy hobby will be wide open. Be suspicious. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn'tsomeone out to get you. Being paranoid about virii may keep you out of trouble.. This wave of virus attempts may be around for awhile. Best Regards John A Hansen -----Original Message----- From: Drew Smith [mailto:drew@eastvan.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:10 AM To: incidents@securityfocus.com; bugtraq@securityfocus.com Subject: New MSN Messenger Worm Heya folks, Ok, let's try this again, with a little more time spent on my side. ;) Tried to submit this earlier today, but got bounced for attaching the worm source to the message. So, this time, I'm attaching a URL instead, where you can go get the source if you want to see it. This worm *ripped* through our office today - it's one part flaw in Microsoft's security model and one part social engineering; it is a NON-MALICIOUS worm, but it effectively proves the concept, and I don't foresee more than a week or two before there's a nasty version. We've been calling it the "cool worm", after the original filename, "cool.html". I said *ripped*. I meant it. 40 people affected/infected in under 30 seconds. That's the dangerous part, I didn't even have time to go to the other room to let coworkers know what was up. The worm shows up as an MSN Messenger message that says "Go To http://www.masenko-media.net/cool.html NoW !!!". The user, obviously, clicks the URL, which takes them to the site, where the malicious code sits. The code opens the MSN Contacts list, then messages every contact with the message "Go To http://www.masenko-media.net/cool.html NoW !!!". Think about that for a second. Anyhow - the worm does nothing nasty, but the source to the (now down) masenko-media.net site also mails the hostname and user agent of the connecting host to "mmargae@wanadoo.nl". Looks to me like an experiment that got loose from the lab, but it demonstrates a *dangerous* flaw. Why can a webpage open the contacts list in the first place? What other hooks does MSN Messenger provide? Can you harvest email addresses from a contact list? Too many scary implications. Worm source (with a few important lines removed, so that it doesn't start popping up *everywhere*), available at: http://riotnrrd.com/cool-source.zip Cheers, - Drew. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!

>Hi Phillip and all of my other friends on SEQ Germans > >Sorry here Phillip - no connections! > >I have to talk with Beverly and Jim here. What do you two think about all >of this? We are all bound together, German and Irish, and it sure as heck >seems sensible to share! Another interesting aspect of this is religion. My MURPHY's were Roman Catholic, and my HEIDEMANN's Lutheran. Yet when my grandfather died (a Catholic), my grandmother (previously Lutheran) converted to a very devout Roman Catholic. The aspect of Catholic and Lutheran Germans has been raised some tim ago on the list. Thsi is a different twist on the same subject. Best Wsihes Phillip

Ah yes. I am sure just as Christmas is still coming so to is the QLD Federation CD. I am also waiting for the CD version to be released even though I do have a fiche reader. There is something magical about putting in only the first three letters of an ancestors surname and doing a "wildcard" search and coming up with a couple of new births that were misspelt. Does anyone know more information about the mythical QLD Federation CD? Maybe we should nickname it the "Yowie" ie lots of reports but nothing really concrete ;-}}}} Cheers Neil ******************************************** Researching the names, ENGEL, HIGGINS, MANN, RYLAND, SATCHER, WENZEL(L), WILLIAMS from the SE QLD area. ****************************************** <SNIP> > 8. If I cannot have any of the above, then I would put in a bid to have the > latest release of the microfiche that document the births and deaths and > marriages that starts where the Pioneer Index leaves off. > > And I want it on CD. > > Dear Santa, > I will leave loads of biscuits and milk for you if you could just fulfil > my number 8 wish > Thanks in Advance, > Beverly.

I am still hoping for my Christmas list to be a "real go" in my genealogy. As far as the Germans and Irish lists becoming amalgamated - I think that they can peacefully co-exist. Each list serves a particular population and its needs. However, I do think that the suggestion that there be cross posting would be somewhat helpful to some people on both lists and I have no objection to cross posting - if the person doing so feels that it would be beneficial to either list. Either way, I am happy with the way the list is going...... and if anyone in Queensland can prod the Qld. Govt. along to put the BDM on CD I would count myself as being one of the happiest persons on this earth............ It would be even better if they would put them on the net like New South Wales has done.................. well, add this to my Christmas list too........ cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hi During my research on the Klein family of early Toowoomba I have found that one member of this family adopted the name of Cleins and lived in Alpha in Central Qld where he was a carrier. This person, Andrew Cleins, married Annie Josephine Sam in 1913 in Alpha. Andrew died intestate in 1915. In seeking possible beneficiaries, Qld Trustees Ltd had sought the whereabouts of two people - Georgina Sutherland and Mary O'Donnell. I have never heard of these two people in connection with the family and would appreciate any information on them. Thank you Ian Kelly Sandstone Point.

Hi, everyone, Can I make a suggestion? It is a good idea to use your subject line wisely. It gives everyone an idea of what's in your message and people can choose to open it and read it if the topic is of interest to them. Many people who are on lots of lists just open only messages of interest to them. Yours may get missed if the subject of your message is not clearly displayed. I often use subjects like this: BROWN; INV, SCT abt1900 or SMITH; TYR, IRL>AUS 1913 or 1841 census lookup, please or where is Ballyshiel?. Hope this is of help. Regards Judy

I too have Irish married to German on one family line in SE Qld, but I also have a lot of Irish-only branches in other family lines, where the marriages were into English and Devon families. I am on the list for Qld SE Germans as that is my only German connection, and a great list it is, and I am on the AUS-IRISH list for my other research. AUS-IRISH is not a particular active list, but has the occasional pearls of information. I personally can see no real reason for the lists to intermix. Margaret Szalay (nee Schmidt - Beaudesert & Logan Reserve) mszalay@bigpond.net.au in Sydney -----Original Message----- From: Bev Kerlin [mailto:kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2002 6:59 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Irish & Germans Hi Phillip and all of my other friends on SEQ Germans Sorry here Phillip - no connections! I have to talk with Beverly and Jim here. What do you two think about all of this? We are all bound together, German and Irish, and it sure as heck seems sensible to share! Is there a problem sending CCs to AUST-IRISH when we send our SEQ German mail, if it includes Irish folk - and vice versa? I think there are quite a few who have joint heritage but don't know where to go to 'talk'. May be there's a site? Would you two valued List Owners give your views please? Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip MURPHY" <murkolein@bigpond.com> To: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au>; <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Irish & Germans > >Hi fellow Listers, > > > >Might I take the opportunity to endorse Bev's > >remarks made on the SE-Qld-Germans list, and here, and encourage > >everybody to share the information they have on ancestors who were > >either Irish or Germanic and intermarried, and helped settle in South > >East Queensland, so that we might get an idea of how much of a > >comtribution the families made. > > My grandparents were > Lawrence Michael Murphy, born GYMPIE, and > Nicolina Margareita HEIDEMANN, born GOORAH, via TIARO > > children of > John and Ellen MURPHY (SINNOTT) of WEXFORD, IRELAND, buried GYMPIE, and > Hans Jurgen & Nicoline HEIDEMANN (JENSEN) of SCHLESWIG HOLSTEIN, buried > GUNALDA > > Any connections or sharing of information greatly appreciated. > > Best Wishes > Phillip MURPHY > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Phillip and all of my other friends on SEQ Germans Sorry here Phillip - no connections! I have to talk with Beverly and Jim here. What do you two think about all of this? We are all bound together, German and Irish, and it sure as heck seems sensible to share! Is there a problem sending CCs to AUST-IRISH when we send our SEQ German mail, if it includes Irish folk - and vice versa? I think there are quite a few who have joint heritage but don't know where to go to 'talk'. May be there's a site? Would you two valued List Owners give your views please? Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip MURPHY" <murkolein@bigpond.com> To: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au>; <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Irish & Germans > >Hi fellow Listers, > > > >Might I take the opportunity to endorse Bev's > >remarks made on the SE-Qld-Germans list, and here, and encourage > >everybody to share the information they have on ancestors who were > >either Irish or Germanic and intermarried, and helped settle in South > >East Queensland, so that we might get an idea of how much of a > >comtribution the families made. > > My grandparents were > Lawrence Michael Murphy, born GYMPIE, and > Nicolina Margareita HEIDEMANN, born GOORAH, via TIARO > > children of > John and Ellen MURPHY (SINNOTT) of WEXFORD, IRELAND, buried GYMPIE, and > Hans Jurgen & Nicoline HEIDEMANN (JENSEN) of SCHLESWIG HOLSTEIN, buried > GUNALDA > > Any connections or sharing of information greatly appreciated. > > Best Wishes > Phillip MURPHY >

HI, I am looking for any information on Jakob Karl Ungerer and his wife Katheriner (nee Heilmann), this is my G/grandfather who lived in Dudweiler, Saarbrucken in Germany. He and his wife and 5 children left Germany and came out on the 'ALMORA' arriving in Brisbane on Jan 13th 1883. They settled in Brisbane at German Station and raised another 7 children then moved to Mackay, Qld. I Have heaps of information on them after this time, but need to know what resources I can use to trace them there. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Trish

Just browsing the internet today, and came upon this address and information......it concerns several personal interviews recorded and stored in the University, and I wonder where else, and in what format may other information about our ancestors may be stored and accessible for us Cheers Jim in Toowoomba Below is copy of page from http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/ohdir?action=OHDetails&id=6142&service_id=8688 The Oral History Library, at the National Archives, Michael Birt Library Baltic States and Eastern European Communities Oral Stories Project Contact officer: Michael Organ Archivist Purpose of collection Size of the collection Collection Access Coverage Email: michael_organ@uow.edu.au Street address: Northfields Avenue UNIVERSITY OF WOLLONGONG NSW 2522 AUSTRALIA Mailing address: University Archives UNIVERSITY OF WOLLONGONG NSW 2522 AUSTRALIA Telephone: [+61 for Australia] 042 21 3543 Facsimile: [+61 for Australia] 042 21 4663 Collection URL: http://www-library.uow.edu.au/archives/arcoral1.html Owner's URL: http://www-library.uow.edu.au/ Purpose of the collection 1. To document the history of people of the Baltic States & East Europe who have settled in the Illawarra region. 2. To broadcast interviews through the community radio network to increase awareness of the communities' history. 3. To incorporate the interviews into exhibitions. Status: Continuing collection development Size of the collection Oral history interviews: Approximately 15 oral history interviews Folklore recordings: None Other sound recordings: None Supporting documentation Transcripts: None Summaries/synopses or logs: None Other supporting documentation: Collection access Access by appointment only. Hours of access: 9am-4pm, Monday-Friday Catalogues and other access aids: URL of Telnet catalogue: telnet://wolfen.cc.uow.edu.au Telnet instructions: library Catalogue FAQ/read-me: http://library.uow.edu.au/ Coverage of the collection Australian places: Illawarra region (New South Wales); Germany; Poland; Hungary; Lithuania; Latvia; Estonia; Ukraine Language/s recorded: English; Polish; Hungarian Year/s of birth of speaker/s: 1921 - 1943 Year/s of recording/s: 1993 - 1994 Subjects included: childhood; migrant experience; migration journeys; migration settlement; World War, 1939-1945 Other oral history collections held by this organisation are: University of Wollongong Archives Oral History Collection See also the entry for this organisation within the: National Bibliographic Database (NBD) InterLibrary Resource Sharing (ILRS) Directory - Service Directory of Z39.50 Targets in Australia Australian Libraries Gateway (ALG) Last updated: 22 August 2001 Home | About | Search | Help | Feedback | Links Contact: oralhist@nla.gov.au

>Hi fellow Listers, > >Might I take the opportunity to endorse Bev's >remarks made on the SE-Qld-Germans list, and here, and encourage >everybody to share the information they have on ancestors who were >either Irish or Germanic and intermarried, and helped settle in South >East Queensland, so that we might get an idea of how much of a >comtribution the families made. My grandparents were Lawrence Michael Murphy, born GYMPIE, and Nicolina Margareita HEIDEMANN, born GOORAH, via TIARO children of John and Ellen MURPHY (SINNOTT) of WEXFORD, IRELAND, buried GYMPIE, and Hans Jurgen & Nicoline HEIDEMANN (JENSEN) of SCHLESWIG HOLSTEIN, buried GUNALDA Any connections or sharing of information greatly appreciated. Best Wishes Phillip MURPHY

Hi List, I have these old photos which belonged to my Great Grandmother CAROLINE KRAATZ nee LEBRENZ. They would have been taken in the late 1800's early 1900's. I know one is of my gggrandparents WILHELMINE and CARL AUGUST LEBRENZ One I am pretty sure is of MARGARET BERG but the others I dont know. They would probably be of my ggrandmothers family, which would include ZINK, MUSCH, KEYS, JENNER, MACLEAN, KRAATZ, BERG. Some are of young families, babies, teenagers, children, men. Two of the men were taken in Sydney, the other photos were taken in Brisbane, and one in Boonah. I was wondering how to find out who they are. Maybe someone on the list who is related to these people may have photos we could compare, I could scan them for you. Or if anyone knows of any members of the family who has old photos whom I could get in touch with, could you please let me know. I spent some time in Rockhampton over Christmas and while I was there I rang around the decendants of my Danish family (JEPSON) and was able to get photos of 3 of my grandmothers sisters, I had a wonderful time. That made me think I need to find out who these people are and pass them on to their descendants. Please get in touch with me if you are interested. Coral Forbes. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.298 / Virus Database: 161 - Release Date: 13-Nov-01

All I want for Christmas: 1. Access to the papers my ancestors filled out to migrate to Australia. 2. To meet the nurse who filled out birth certificates and recorded my GGGrandmother's name differently with each child she brought into the world. 3. The ability to read German Handwriting on the microfilms. 4. Patience with myself when I cannot find my "elusive ancestors." 5. A genealogy program for my computer which will read my mind and fill in the correct information when my fingers make the mistake and hit the wrong keys. 6. A meeting with the town planner to find who makes the decisions to name the streets. 7. An accurately drawn map of the way things used to be when our ancestors first settled in Australia. 8. If I cannot have any of the above, then I would put in a bid to have the latest release of the microfiche that document the births and deaths and marriages that starts where the Pioneer Index leaves off. And I want it on CD. Dear Santa, I will leave loads of biscuits and milk for you if you could just fulfil my number 8 wish Thanks in Advance, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Hi all, I am researching the VANDERSEE family. Originally there were in Charters Towers I believe and then settled further south. Is there anyone out there researching the same family? My husband's grandmother was Maria Bertha Matilda Vandersee born on the Reichstadt on the way to Australia in 1876 I believe. Her mother was Amelia or her father was Gottlieb or similar. The phone book has plenty of Vandersee names but haven't a clue whether they are related. Perhaps this might get a response. Kind regards, Loretta Everingham

Hello, I have been on the net looking at inherited illnesses and how devastating that they can be. In my family there is hemochromotosis, heart disease, thyroid problems and diabetes. I was wondering just how bad it may have become had my family stayed in Germany and continued to intermarry with the people of the village where they lived. How much more devastating would the above diseases have become if they had not migrated to Australia. I was also wondering about the children who had died before my ancestors went to Australia. Did these little babies suffer from some inherited disease? Perhaps they were untreatable in Germany and so they died. If they did have some inherited disease, then why did not more of the children born in Australia die? Perhaps it was because of the abundant fresh air, better living conditions and plentiful sunshine............. What are your thoughts? cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

Does anyone have access to the DERN Index, or know where I could purchase it? Is there something similare for other States of Australia? Thanks, Kerrie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Dear Listers I wonder if anyone is researching any of these souls. If so, please let me know as I have quite a lot of information on both parents of the Elizabeth born in 1866 and their ancestors and similarly on the father of the four later children which I am happy to share. I am also seeking any further information on these children and their descendants. Regards David ...................................................................... Josef ZIMMERMANN , born 1 Feb 1826 in Massenbachhausen, Brackenheim, Württemberg; christened 2 Feb 1826 in Massenbachhausen, Brackenheim, Württemberg; died 29 Jul 1882 in Alexandra Gully, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia; buried 2 Aug 1882 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia, son of Adam ZIMMERMANN and Maria Barbara LEISLE . He married (1) on 21 Aug 1863 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia Sophia Catharina DALAKER , born 1 Aug 1842 in Waldbach, Weinsberg, Württemberg; christened 7 Aug 1842 in Waldbach, Weinsberg, Württemberg; died 19 May 1874 in Gowrie Road, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia; buried 20 May 1874 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia, daughter of Sophie Catharina DALAKER ; (2) on 28 Dec 1881 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia Johanna Elizabeth LUDWIG , born in Gothe, Saxony, Germany; died 7 Jun 1916; buried 9 Jun 1916 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia, daughter of Friedrich Hermann LUDWIG and Rosalie WEINAN . Children of Josef ZIMMERMANN and Sophia Catharina DALAKER were as follows: Elizabeth ZIMMERMANN , born 3 Jan 1866. plus five other children. Children of Josef ZIMMERMANN and Johanna Elizabeth LUDWIG were as follows: Elizabeth ZIMMERMANN , born 30 Mar 1877 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia. Wilhelmina ZIMMERMANN , born 1878. Catharina Wilhelmina ZIMMERMANN , born 5 Sep 1879 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia; christened 19 Oct 1879 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia. Augusta Maria Franciska ZIMMERMANN , born 25 Nov 1880 in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia; christened 9 Jan 1881 in Toowoomba

Dear Listers I wonder if anyone is researching these two brothers. If so, please let me know as I have quite a lot of information on there ancestors that I am happy to share. I am also seeking any further information on these families and their descendants. Regards David ..................................................................... Christian Friedrich DALAKER and Mary Ann HINCHY Christian Friedrich KUDER, born 30 Jun 1847 in Waldbach, Weinsberg, Württemberg; christened 11 Jul 1847 in Waldbach, Weinsberg, Württemberg. He married Mary Ann HINCHY. Date unknown Children of Christian Friedrich KUDER and Mary Ann HINCHY : Catherine KUDER, born 16 Feb 1877. Joseph KUDER, born 20 Sep 1885. James KUDER, born 11 Nov 1887. Mary Elizabeth KUDER, born 8 Jul 1889. ..................................................................... Christian Christoph KUDER and Frances KUPFER Christian Christoph KUDER, born 15 Mar 1844 in Waldbach, Weinsberg, Württemberg; christened 24 Mar 1844 in Waldbach, Weinsberg, Württemberg, son of Christian WIRTH and Sophie Catharina DALAKER. He married Frances KUPFER on 10 Jan 1876 . Children of Christian Christoph KUDER and Frances KUPFER : Elizabeth Hellen KUDER, born 22 Oct 1878. Maud Caroline KUDER, born 10 Feb 1889

Taken from the Queenslander, Brisbane, dated 23 December, 1893 Land Court [ Bits missing] Toowoomba Before Commissioner WARNER, on the 6th instant. Agricultural Farms: Conditionall Approved: Beauaraba: LATZ 160a., H.KEMP 85a, Milton: T.W. SCHULTZ 160a., H. RICKERT 150a., G. OHRT 150a., Flagstone: G.B. ANDERSON 140a., Djuan: J. MOTLEY., Crow's Nest: M.T. M'CARTHY 160a., Selections--Conditionally Approved: Flagstone: S.G. ......ENS? 32a 2r 3p., Crow's Nest: Alicia MARTIN 80a. Taylor: J.T. ELDRIDGE 40a Certificates--Granted: Flagstone: G. PADDISON 80a., J.H. [WATSON?] 100a., 20a., and 29a 3r. Meringandan: .? N. WEIDEN 138a 1r. Douglas: N.[R?] T.ONS.ELL? 160a., F. PUKALLUS 160a., Djuan: W. HORNKE 160a., J.BESTMAN 160a., Margaret HEINER 159a. 2r., J.H. BUTTERS 160a., P. VOHLAND 160a., A. GRAVING 160a., W. FRAWLEY 630a., P.M'KILLOP 640a. Terry: J. M'ARTHUR 159a. 2r. Watts: J.BACON 320a 1r. Adjourned for bailiff's inspection: Murphy; J. WHITE 160a., B. WALKER 160a. East Prairie: A.J. FREDERIC 41a Beauraba: W. NAUMANN 160a., J.C. NAUMANN 160a., R. MITCHELL 160a. T.R. MARLER 40a., W.T. BENTEL 80a., Ravensbourne: W.T. TEESMANN 39a 2r., E.TAYLOR 40a 2r., C.GODENSCHWAGER 22a 2r., Ramsay: Anna E. FREYLING 49a. Withdrawn: Ravensbourne: C.WALLACE 60a. Dismissed, no appearance of applicant: Ravensbourne: C. PAGEL 39a 3r., H.F.A. PAGEL 40a 2r. C.G. PAGEL 40a., H. M'ERLEAN 40a 1r., E. MORVEN 40a 2r., W. RICHARDS 40 a. Cheers Bev