Hi All , I'm new at this but I'll give it a try . My name is Michelle Kranz and I am researching the name KRANZ/CRANS I have information back to a Simon KRANZ/ CRANS brn abt 1840 in Johannisberg Prussia and married a Sarah McSHANE brn 1848 in county Amagh in Ireland. ( if thats not irish ill eat my hat ) on the 11th of June 1872 in Brisbane . Sarah had 2 children before marrying Simon Kranz. James ?? and John RIDDLE . James , born in Port Denison in 1865 took the name KRANZ and married Maria Karger and lived near Roma QLD . They had 12 children of which some go under the name CRANS and others under KRANZ . I have never really knowen why my family started spelling the name diffrently but it was around the 1920s as far as I can tell. Together with Simon KRANZ she had one child John Lawrance CRANS in 1873 . I can find no further information on Sarah McSHANE and am wondering if she may have been married to the father of James thus McSHANE would also be a married name. I cant find any other links other than to a Mary McSHANE. And Im not getting any further on Simon KRANZ/CRANS either maybe you have a tip ? Thanks heaps Michelle

Hello All, to Elizabeth in particular, and our two lenient List Owners I have left the 'threads' here for our Irish researchers. Please forgive this. I personally hate having miles of 'old stuff' to read!! Elizabeth, you may find it a help to join the AUS-IRISH group and CC any further correspondence to them. Your research is impressive to say the least. I note we already have another German/Irish Lister. That is really great. In our quest for KERLINs worldwide, we have come across several MC BRIDE names, mainly in Northern Ireland. Can you identify a County and I will have a look around our files. I have several SCHULTZ and SCHULZ names in my PAF file, but your Mary does not appear there. Would you mind sending Eric's URL to me off-list please? Good luck all Bev kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au Researching: KERLIN/BELL Co Down, HARRISON/WILLIS Co Armagh (Ireland] BARKER/YOUNG or YOUNGs Norfolk, BARNETT/CANTLE Gloucester, COURTNEY/DALTON Camberwell [England] GIESEMANN/TIMM [Prussia], HANSEN/HENDRIKSEN etc [Denmark] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Allum" <raye@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: German/Irish Connection > Dear Bev, Beverly and List, > > As no one has objected to Bev Kerlin's suggestion that we post German / > Irsh connections I would like to post the following as it may be of > interest to the list. > > I am also interested in the German / Irish connections. I know we do have > Sydney and NSW subscribers on this list and I hope Bev and Beverly won't > object if we can include NSW as well as South East Queensland German / > Irish conections. Several of my German ancestors families moved from NSW to > Queensland and settled in Warwick, Toowoomba, Charleville and Roma and > their descendents still live in Queensland today. I am sure there are > others with similar ancestry as there is evidence that a number of German > immigrants who arrived in Moreton Bay, later settled in NSW. Many Catholic > males with Germanic origins married Irish girls after their arrival in > Ausstralia. > > I hope someone may be able to assist with the following: > > I have been researching how and why Germans changed their names from the > mid 19th century onwards. > > There are some fascinating NSW indexes and registers dating from 1875 and > cover the intervening years until the NSW BDMs took over this function on > 1st April 1996. "Change of Name by Deed Poll Oaths" are held in the Land > and Property Information Sydney Office, formerely the Land Titles Office. I > am sure similar records exist in other States. > > In addition to the above registers there are also "Change of Name" files > held in the National Archives of Australia (NAA). > > I extended my research to include WW1 period. I decided to see how many > Germans and other nationalities changed their names under sect.17a of the > Alien Restriction Act of 1915. There are several series of records held in > the NAA National Office where change of name files can be located. The > suggestion that lots of Germans changed their names or at the very least > anglised their names by choice only during WW1 has always been > controversial as many Germans voluntarily or involuntarily had name changes > long before WW1 and WW11. > > My research has been rewarding and in one of the NAA change of name files, > Series A456/3 Item W8/28/105 I found that Mary Helena Schultz was born in > Balmain, Sydney on 7th May 1860. Her parents were William Schultz and Anna > Mc Bride who were married in 1856 in Balmain. William Shultz arrived in > Sydney in 1854 on the Undine. On Eric Kopittke's Hamburg Immigrants to > Australia he is listed as coming from Glasow, which is in Mecklenberg > Schwerin, occupation carpenter. Interesting that William married an Irish > lady 2 years after arriving in Australia. > > Their ages suggest that perhaps both parties may have been married before! > as Mc Bride would seem to be a Scottich name. However Hannah [sic] Anna is > recorded on Mary Helena's birth certificate as born in Ireland. I would > have to see the marriage certificate to find out if this information was > true as perhaps one or both parties were perhaps widowed by 1856. > > William Schultz a carpenter aged 34 yrs. born in Mecklenberg Schwerin, his > bride Anna Mc Bride aged 28 yrs. born in Ireland, as recorded on Mary > Helens's birth certificate (a copy of her birth certificate was included in > her file). It would be interesting to know more about William, Anna and > their family. The other children I have located so far, as indexed in the > NSW BDMs are William born 1856/163, Reka W born 1859/2315, Charles A > 1862/2259, Frederick 1864/2489 and Ernest L 1864/2726. William Schultz was > naturalized on 25th April 1856 and died aged 91 yrs on 1st June 1917/5645. > > On 3rd July 1917 Mary Helena Schultz changed her surname to her mother's > name of Mc Bride, just one month after her father's death. So far I am > unable to find a marriage or death record for her. If anyone has family > connections to her parents Anna and William Schultz or knows what became of > their daughter after she changed her name to Mary Helena Mc Bride, I would > love to hear from them. It appears that none of the other children in the > Schultz family registered a change of name. > > Thank you in advance if any "detectives" out there can help with this family. > > Elizabeth in Sydney, NSW. > > Bev Kerlin wrote: > > I have to talk with Beverly and Jim here. What do you two think about all > of this? We are all bound together, German and Irish, and it sure as heck > seems sensible to share! Is there a problem sending CCs to AUST-IRISH when > we send our SEQ German mail, if it includes Irish folk - and vice versa? I > think there are quite a few who have joint heritage but don't know where to > go to 'talk'. May be there's a site? > > Would you two valued List Owners give your views please? > > Bev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip MURPHY" <murkolein@bigpond.com> > To: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au>; > <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:12 PM > Subject: Irish & Germans > > > > >Hi fellow Listers, > > > > > >Might I take the opportunity to endorse Bev's > > >remarks made on the SE-Qld-Germans list, and here, and encourage > > >everybody to share the information they have on ancestors who were > > >either Irish or Germanic and intermarried, and helped settle in South > > >East Queensland, so that we might get an idea of how much of a > > >comtribution the families made. > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Ray, Just to let you know that I have a John BUTLER, Stone Engraver married to a Ann Nora McBRIDE, their daughter Sarah Mary according to her death certificate was born in Dublin.c 1843-7. That's all I know about this family. Have never been game enough to venture into Irish research yet. Has anyone out there had any success with searching in Ireland [especially Dublin],and how far back have you been able to go. I think that because I only have Dublin to go on, that any research that I may try to undertake would be useless because I don't appear to have any specific area of Dublin, Also, I am wary of information given on Death Cert. For all I know the family may only have known that she sailed from Dublin but she wasn't actually born there. Maybe one day. Cheers Bev -----Original Message----- From: Ray Allum <raye@netspace.net.au> To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 24 February 2002 6:58 Subject: German/Irish Connection >Dear Bev, Beverly and List, > >As no one has objected to Bev Kerlin's suggestion that we post German / >Irsh connections I would like to post the following as it may be of >interest to the list. > >I am also interested in the German / Irish connections. I know we do have >Sydney and NSW subscribers on this list and I hope Bev and Beverly won't >object if we can include NSW as well as South East Queensland German / >Irish conections. Several of my German ancestors families moved from NSW to >Queensland and settled in Warwick, Toowoomba, Charleville and Roma and >their descendents still live in Queensland today. I am sure there are >others with similar ancestry as there is evidence that a number of German >immigrants who arrived in Moreton Bay, later settled in NSW. Many Catholic >males with Germanic origins married Irish girls after their arrival in >Ausstralia. > >I hope someone may be able to assist with the following: > >I have been researching how and why Germans changed their names from the >mid 19th century onwards. > >There are some fascinating NSW indexes and registers dating from 1875 and >cover the intervening years until the NSW BDMs took over this function on >1st April 1996. "Change of Name by Deed Poll Oaths" are held in the Land >and Property Information Sydney Office, formerely the Land Titles Office. I >am sure similar records exist in other States. > >In addition to the above registers there are also "Change of Name" files >held in the National Archives of Australia (NAA). > >I extended my research to include WW1 period. I decided to see how many >Germans and other nationalities changed their names under sect.17a of the >Alien Restriction Act of 1915. There are several series of records held in >the NAA National Office where change of name files can be located. The >suggestion that lots of Germans changed their names or at the very least >anglised their names by choice only during WW1 has always been >controversial as many Germans voluntarily or involuntarily had name changes >long before WW1 and WW11. > >My research has been rewarding and in one of the NAA change of name files, >Series A456/3 Item W8/28/105 I found that Mary Helena Schultz was born in >Balmain, Sydney on 7th May 1860. Her parents were William Schultz and Anna >Mc Bride who were married in 1856 in Balmain. William Shultz arrived in >Sydney in 1854 on the Undine. On Eric Kopittke's Hamburg Immigrants to >Australia he is listed as coming from Glasow, which is in Mecklenberg >Schwerin, occupation carpenter. Interesting that William married an Irish >lady 2 years after arriving in Australia. > >Their ages suggest that perhaps both parties may have been married before! >as Mc Bride would seem to be a Scottich name. However Hannah [sic] Anna is >recorded on Mary Helena's birth certificate as born in Ireland. I would >have to see the marriage certificate to find out if this information was >true as perhaps one or both parties were perhaps widowed by 1856. > >William Schultz a carpenter aged 34 yrs. born in Mecklenberg Schwerin, his >bride Anna Mc Bride aged 28 yrs. born in Ireland, as recorded on Mary >Helens's birth certificate (a copy of her birth certificate was included in >her file). It would be interesting to know more about William, Anna and >their family. The other children I have located so far, as indexed in the >NSW BDMs are William born 1856/163, Reka W born 1859/2315, Charles A >1862/2259, Frederick 1864/2489 and Ernest L 1864/2726. William Schultz was >naturalized on 25th April 1856 and died aged 91 yrs on 1st June 1917/5645. > >On 3rd July 1917 Mary Helena Schultz changed her surname to her mother's >name of Mc Bride, just one month after her father's death. So far I am >unable to find a marriage or death record for her. If anyone has family >connections to her parents Anna and William Schultz or knows what became of >their daughter after she changed her name to Mary Helena Mc Bride, I would >love to hear from them. It appears that none of the other children in the >Schultz family registered a change of name. > >Thank you in advance if any "detectives" out there can help with this family. > >Elizabeth in Sydney, NSW. > >Bev Kerlin wrote: > >I have to talk with Beverly and Jim here. What do you two think about all >of this? We are all bound together, German and Irish, and it sure as heck >seems sensible to share! Is there a problem sending CCs to AUST-IRISH when >we send our SEQ German mail, if it includes Irish folk - and vice versa? I >think there are quite a few who have joint heritage but don't know where to >go to 'talk'. May be there's a site? > >Would you two valued List Owners give your views please? > >Bev > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Phillip MURPHY" <murkolein@bigpond.com> >To: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au>; ><AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:12 PM >Subject: Irish & Germans > > >> >Hi fellow Listers, >> > >> >Might I take the opportunity to endorse Bev's >> >remarks made on the SE-Qld-Germans list, and here, and encourage >> >everybody to share the information they have on ancestors who were >> >either Irish or Germanic and intermarried, and helped settle in South >> >East Queensland, so that we might get an idea of how much of a >> >comtribution the families made. > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Elizabeth, Did you try the spelling of Mc/Mac BRYDE? My husband's family of MEYER seemed to change from the MEYER to MYERS when it was recorded on a Marriage Cert. in 1870 at Little Plain NSW (another German influence area). A note from another relative suggested the name changed due to the WWI uprising, this we were able to dispel by having the Certificates to prove otherwise. Regards Jenny Jenny Myers - Arcadia Vale NSW on beautiful Lake Macquarie President Lake Macquarie F H Group NSW http://www.lmfhg.hl.com.au OPEN DAY & WORKSHOP, Club Macquarie, Saturday 9 March, 2002. Member Wivelsfield History Study Group SSX Member Maitland F H Circle NSW Member Armidale F H Group NSW

Hello All I am sure this question would have been asked before but could someone please tell me where Rosewood Gate is and what it is called today? Many thanks. David

Dear Bev, Beverly and List, As no one has objected to Bev Kerlin's suggestion that we post German / Irsh connections I would like to post the following as it may be of interest to the list. I am also interested in the German / Irish connections. I know we do have Sydney and NSW subscribers on this list and I hope Bev and Beverly won't object if we can include NSW as well as South East Queensland German / Irish conections. Several of my German ancestors families moved from NSW to Queensland and settled in Warwick, Toowoomba, Charleville and Roma and their descendents still live in Queensland today. I am sure there are others with similar ancestry as there is evidence that a number of German immigrants who arrived in Moreton Bay, later settled in NSW. Many Catholic males with Germanic origins married Irish girls after their arrival in Ausstralia. I hope someone may be able to assist with the following: I have been researching how and why Germans changed their names from the mid 19th century onwards. There are some fascinating NSW indexes and registers dating from 1875 and cover the intervening years until the NSW BDMs took over this function on 1st April 1996. "Change of Name by Deed Poll Oaths" are held in the Land and Property Information Sydney Office, formerely the Land Titles Office. I am sure similar records exist in other States. In addition to the above registers there are also "Change of Name" files held in the National Archives of Australia (NAA). I extended my research to include WW1 period. I decided to see how many Germans and other nationalities changed their names under sect.17a of the Alien Restriction Act of 1915. There are several series of records held in the NAA National Office where change of name files can be located. The suggestion that lots of Germans changed their names or at the very least anglised their names by choice only during WW1 has always been controversial as many Germans voluntarily or involuntarily had name changes long before WW1 and WW11. My research has been rewarding and in one of the NAA change of name files, Series A456/3 Item W8/28/105 I found that Mary Helena Schultz was born in Balmain, Sydney on 7th May 1860. Her parents were William Schultz and Anna Mc Bride who were married in 1856 in Balmain. William Shultz arrived in Sydney in 1854 on the Undine. On Eric Kopittke's Hamburg Immigrants to Australia he is listed as coming from Glasow, which is in Mecklenberg Schwerin, occupation carpenter. Interesting that William married an Irish lady 2 years after arriving in Australia. Their ages suggest that perhaps both parties may have been married before! as Mc Bride would seem to be a Scottich name. However Hannah [sic] Anna is recorded on Mary Helena's birth certificate as born in Ireland. I would have to see the marriage certificate to find out if this information was true as perhaps one or both parties were perhaps widowed by 1856. William Schultz a carpenter aged 34 yrs. born in Mecklenberg Schwerin, his bride Anna Mc Bride aged 28 yrs. born in Ireland, as recorded on Mary Helens's birth certificate (a copy of her birth certificate was included in her file). It would be interesting to know more about William, Anna and their family. The other children I have located so far, as indexed in the NSW BDMs are William born 1856/163, Reka W born 1859/2315, Charles A 1862/2259, Frederick 1864/2489 and Ernest L 1864/2726. William Schultz was naturalized on 25th April 1856 and died aged 91 yrs on 1st June 1917/5645. On 3rd July 1917 Mary Helena Schultz changed her surname to her mother's name of Mc Bride, just one month after her father's death. So far I am unable to find a marriage or death record for her. If anyone has family connections to her parents Anna and William Schultz or knows what became of their daughter after she changed her name to Mary Helena Mc Bride, I would love to hear from them. It appears that none of the other children in the Schultz family registered a change of name. Thank you in advance if any "detectives" out there can help with this family. Elizabeth in Sydney, NSW. Bev Kerlin wrote: I have to talk with Beverly and Jim here. What do you two think about all of this? We are all bound together, German and Irish, and it sure as heck seems sensible to share! Is there a problem sending CCs to AUST-IRISH when we send our SEQ German mail, if it includes Irish folk - and vice versa? I think there are quite a few who have joint heritage but don't know where to go to 'talk'. May be there's a site? Would you two valued List Owners give your views please? Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip MURPHY" <murkolein@bigpond.com> To: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au>; <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Irish & Germans > >Hi fellow Listers, > > > >Might I take the opportunity to endorse Bev's > >remarks made on the SE-Qld-Germans list, and here, and encourage > >everybody to share the information they have on ancestors who were > >either Irish or Germanic and intermarried, and helped settle in South > >East Queensland, so that we might get an idea of how much of a > >comtribution the families made.

I would like to contact anyone tracing the following family: Gottfried LOWIEN m Louise TABEL Children: Carl m Anna Catharina LUCHT August m Pauline KAJEWSKI Wilhelmine Frederick m Maria FICKE Caroline Louise m Johann Friedrich NOTHDURFT Wilhelm Hermann Johann m Ida Theresa WOLSKI Thank you

Carol, can you email me your address so we can contact each other direct. I have a lot of old family photo's of the Zink/Musch families and would be interested in seeing what you have. Looking forward to hearing from you. Darryl Musch darrylm@sun.big.net.au

Beverly, Here is a couple of interesting locations to check for persons interested in the early German names in Qld.These relate to Memorial applications for a Naturalization certificate to be issued by the Government and are a document to treasure. Can be viewed at the State Archives,Brisbane,on Microfilm Z4909 and Z4910, Colonial Secretary`s Papers /A8 ,year1860,letter 60/1810. Johann Eberhard Hoelscher,Brisbane,from N/E Germany,ship Diana in 1858,full page,signed 10th October 1860. Henry Wagner,27 yrs old,Toowoomba,Qld,ship John Ceasar,1856,Memorial Cert 24 Oct 1860 and Naturalization Cert issued on15 Nov 1861.Microfilm Z1910,Col/A8,letter 60/1958. Regards Noel Hall. Researching ,Zelinski,Golinski,Linwood,Kajewski,Nothdurft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly" <pussims@cableone.net> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 7:05 AM Subject: NSW BDM address > A number of people have contacted me asking for the NSW BDM address. > click on www.bdm.nsw.gov.au > good luck as you search for your people. > cheers, Beverly. > Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least > you get a free trip around the sun....... > So wear a hat and enjoy the ride! >

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Francis A Muller Brisbane Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:50:47 -0700 Resent-From: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:10:53 +1300 From: "Lindel" <lbuckle@ihug.co.nz> Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com I have a scan of an old photo here and the inscription reads "Yours very truely, Francis A Muller 7 Sep 1878 (or 1898) Brisbane" - its of a young man. Does anyone recognise that name????? The photo was sent back to England and is in a collection of family photos. Would be interested in any info on Francis to see how he ties into the family - it is with Buckley photos, and related names are Broady and Renkin. I'd be happy to send the scan to anyone who wants to claim him! -- Lindel Kaikoura, NZ VENI, VIDI, VELCRO.....I came, I saw, I stuck around ==== GENANZ Mailing List ==== Searchable archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GENANZ

A number of people have contacted me asking for the NSW BDM address. click on www.bdm.nsw.gov.au good luck as you search for your people. cheers, Beverly. Life on Earth is Expensive, but at least you get a free trip around the sun....... So wear a hat and enjoy the ride!

My new e-mail is lzimmerm@comcast.net. I really enjoy this site. Thanks for all the info, Lyn Zimmerman

Please forgive me if you are on multiple mailing lists and get this request more than once. Someone in Canada who is being very helpful to me wants to know what "Debrett's Handbook" is? His query relates to Australia. I have done an internet search and it seems to me to some sort of equivalent to the British book but can anyone verify or clarify this for me please? I would love to be able to return the favour to this helpful person. Thanks Elaine

Dear Listers Sorry to take up your time with an off topic request. I am attempting to contact Debbie Graham but her email address seems to be "out of order". Debbie, could you email me when you are able. Thank you all. David

Hi Here's my Irish-German connection. Regards Judy HALL LINE * John Thomas married Mary Jane HAMILTON (b 1841 to William HAMILTON, Ballyshiel, ARM) mar 7 May 1858 Clare Presb. Church, Tandragee, Armagh Children: *William John b 1859 IRL mar Eva Margaretha HERTRICH Ipswich Qld, AUS Sarah Ann b 1860 IRl d 1865 Ipswich Qld AUS Margaret Jane b 1863 Ipswich Qld AUS m 1. William EATON 1881 Ipswich 2. John James GRIFFITHS 1927 Sarah ANN b 1866 Ipswich marr 1. Henry REED 2. David NICHOLLS Thomas Henry (Henry) b c1869 James Martin b 1871 Ipswich mar Annie MURRAY Mary Elizabeth b 1873 Mt Walker, Qld mar Samuel LANGDON *William John b 1859 IRL mar Eva Margaretha HERTRICH ( dau of Johann F HERTRICH and Margaretha K SCH(N)EIDER) in 1889 in Ipswich Qld, AUS Children: Margaret Jane b 1890 Mary Elizabeth (May) b 1891 mar Horace MIDDLETON 1920 Sarah ANN b near Ipswich 1892 mar William F HARTWIG 1911 *William b 1894 Ipswich marr Florence GEE 1919 Ipswich, Qld AUS Jemima (Jean) b 1895 near Ipswich marr John H JACKSON 1915 Beatrice (Bessie) b 1897 marr Otto Hermann LITZOW 1918 Ipswich Agnes Suse (Suse) b 1899 marr Arthur L MAY Annie b 1900 d 1900 Jessie b 1901 mar Frederick MINERT James (Jim) b 1903 Henry (Snow) b 1905 marr Lilian Olive BOYLE 1944 HERTRICH line Johann F HERTRICH married Margaretha Katherina SCH(N)EIDER Children: Elisabetha Katherina b 24 June 1866 Grossenau, Oberfranken, Bayern married Carl August W KRUGER on 15 Dec 1887 at Mutdapilly, QLd *Eva Margaretha b 27 Nov 1869 Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern mar William John HALLl in Ipswich 5 June 1889 Johann Adam b 1871 Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern Konrad b 1873 Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern marr Mary SCHOENKNECHT in 1904 in Ipswich, Qld, AUS Johann b 7 May 1875 Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern marr Alviene Ottilie RICHTER in 1908 in Murgon, Qld, AUS Wilhelm Wilfred b 1878 Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern marr Mary JOHNSTON in 1905 in Ebenezer, Rosewood, Qld, AUS Johanna Kunigunda b 1880 in Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern Lisette Agnes Willhelmine b 1883 Biengarten, Oberfranken, Bayern The HERTRICH family emigrated to Moreton Bay, Qld, Australia arriving on the 'Merkara' on 4 June 1884. *Eva Margaretha HERTRICH marr William John HALL Children: Margaret Jane b 1890 Mary Elizabeth (May) b 1891 mar Horace MIDDLETON 1920 Sarah ANN b near Ipswich 1892 mar William F HARTWIG 1911 *William b 1894 Ipswich marr Florence GEE 1919 Ipswich, Qld AUS Jemima (Jean) b 1895 near Ipswich marr John H JACKSON 1915 Beatrice (Bessie) b 1897 marr Otto Hermann LITZOW 1918 Ipswich Agnes Suse (Suse) b 1899 marr Arthur L MAY Annie b 1900 d 1900 Jessie b 1901 mar Frederick MINERT James (Jim) b 1903 Henry (Snow) b 1905 marr Lilian Olive BOYLE 1944 ______________________________ At time of his death, William John HALL owned land in Mt Walker- Co Churchill Parish of Franklin and at Mt Forbes: Co Churchill Parish of Mutdapilly. William was found in a paddock at his Mt Walker property, lying face down in a pool of blood. It is thought he had either been thrown from his horse or kicked by it. A post mortem was conducted. The date of death was given as "on or about 22 March 1942." (ref QT Obituary notice March 1942) Descendants of the family still live on the property at Mt Forbes, just outside Ipswich, Qld, AUS Among the descendants of Wm & Margaretha were/are a butcher, a coach builder in the railways, farmers, grocer, loco engine driver, accountant, teachers, Commercial Minister for Australia in NZ, fundraising consultant, panel beater, dentist, property owners, nurse, hairdrresser, boxer etc

Thanks Pussims I knew you would agree with our having a joint effort! (where sensible and practical) Can I please have that Qld BMD CD set for Christmas too? You are being greedy! But then I want all of the things you are praying for anyway. Best regards as always Bev K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly" <pussims@cableone.net> To: "Bev Kerlin" <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au>; <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Irish & Germans > I am still hoping for my Christmas list to be a "real go" in my genealogy. > > As far as the Germans and Irish lists becoming amalgamated - > I think that they can peacefully co-exist. > Each list serves a particular population and its needs. > However, I do think that the suggestion that there be cross posting would be > somewhat helpful to some people on both lists and I have no objection to > cross posting - if the person doing so feels that it would be beneficial to > either list. > > Either way, I am happy with the way the list is going...... > > and if anyone in Queensland can prod the Qld. Govt. along to put the BDM on > CD I would count myself as being one of the happiest persons on this > earth............ > It would be even better if they would put them on the net like New South > Wales has done.................. > well, add this to my Christmas list too........

Hi everyone, This is my first entry to this page so hopefully I will get it right. My G-G-G-Grandparents were Friedrich Christian Richter and Anna Maria Ryder. They arrived aboard the "Wandrahm" at Brisbane in 1866. They had 6 children: Emilie, Rudolph, Ottalie, Eduard, Christian Friedrich & Antonie. On arrival to Australia Ottalie called herself Mary Matilda and Antonie called herself Maria Antonie. Emilie married Christian Brosi (Brose) Mary Matilda (Ottalie) married Robert Haslam Christian Friedrich married Margaret Fredrica Siebenhaussen Antonie married Peter Anderson Rudolph and Eduard seem to have disappeared. Would love to hear from anyone who might be connected or have any info on the missing ones. Sandra Walker

Hello Everybody The site has had a make-over for the first time in two years. The major change is that the name index is now up to date. In total there are more than 5,000 entries for persons born more than 75 years ago & a few for persons born since then (for which there is a date of death). The URL has changed slightly to that shown below. Best wishes Russell Greig Cleveland, Qld Researching Holzheimer/Lindow, Schneider/Tappendorf & Tesch/Beutel in Prussia and Greig/Mackie in Scotland Bethania Settlers List http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/

Dear Santa, May I please have a secretary this Christmas? Thank you, Marionne

Dear list, For those people who are interested in my old photos we have made a web sight so you can see them. The address is http://coralsshoebox.cjb.net. I will write to those who answered my e-mail individually as soon as get an opportunity. Coral Forbes. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.298 / Virus Database: 161 - Release Date: 13-Nov-01