----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Wormleaton <kevhel@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: MANSKI STELLMACH WHARTON WALKER - MARYBOROUGH QLD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Helen Wormleaton > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:59 PM > Subject: MANSKI STELLMACH WHARTON WALKER - MARYBOROUGH QLD > > > New to this - hope it works! > My research interests MANSKI, STELLMACH, WHARTON, WALKER in Maryborough late 1800's > MANSKI & STELLMACH - emigrants from GERMANY/WEST PRUSSIA > WALKER - from Birmingham Warwickshire UK > Hoping someone else is researching some of above - love to hear from you to share info. > Many thanks > Helena Wormleaton > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Wormleaton To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: MANSKI STELLMACH WHARTON WALKER - MARYBOROUGH QLD New to this - hope it works! My research interests MANSKI, STELLMACH, WHARTON, WALKER in Maryborough late 1800's MANSKI & STELLMACH - emigrants from GERMANY/WEST PRUSSIA WALKER - from Birmingham Warwickshire UK Hoping someone else is researching some of above - love to hear from you to share info. Many thanks Helena Wormleaton

----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #69 Hi to the sender, Sorry this mail does not relate to me!!! Unfortunately! so am returning it to you. I have been trying to list my research interests on SE -Germans for last few days but sem to have lost them in cyberspace! I will keep trying. Regards Helena

Albert, My maternal grandmother's cousin, Ernest Edward SWEEDMAN, served with the 2nd Australian Light Horse 16th Reinforcement AIF the during WWI. He enlisted 05 Nov 1915 Toowoomba, Q and was appointed to his Regiment 22 Mar 1916 at Chermside, Brisbane, Q. I realize this is the wrong time frame re. your query, but perhaps the Unit was still in existence prior to WWII - something for to you follow up on perhaps? Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes. Corporations Law Section 849 Declaration - The Directors of Wilson HTM Ltd (A.B.N. 68 010 529 665) advise that they and their associates may have beneficial interests in the securities that they recommend and may receive commissions or fees in relation to dealings in these securities. Whilst Wilson HTM Ltd believes the information contained in this communication is based on reliable information, no warranty is given as to its accuracy and persons relying on this information do so at their own risk. Any projections contained in this communication are estimates only and may not be realised in the future. Subject to any liability which cannot be excluded under the Trade Practices Act, 1974 and the Corporations Law, Wilson HTM Ltd disclaims all liability to any person relying on the information contained in this communication in respect of any loss or damage (including consequential loss or damage) however caused, which may be suffered or arise directly or indirectly in respect of such information. This communication was prepared for multiple distribution and does not take account of the specific investment objectives of individual recipients and it may not be appropriate in all circumstances. Persons relying on this information should do so in light of their specific investment objectives and financial situations. Persons considering action on the basis of this communication are advised to contact Wilson HTM Ltd for individual advice in the light of their particular circumstances. This communication is not to be disclosed in whole or part or used by any other party without Wilson HTM Ltd's prior written consent. The Wilson HTM Privacy statement is available for you to view on our web-site at www.wilsonhtm.com.au

Hi all I'm researching WATERS, BATESON and GOULD who selected land at Kumbarilla east of Dalby but east of Tara in 1910. Does anyone know where these people may have been buried. What would be the closest cemetery? I am looking for descendants of John Henry WATERS and his wife Martha BATESON. They had two sons - Alan James WATERS born 1906 and Clarence John WATERS born 1906.(twins) and two daughters - Leila Jean WATERS born 1904, and Constance Emily WATERS born 1909. Son of Robert Alexander Bateson and Emily Jane WATERS was Lawrence Henry BATESON born 1905. His mother was a teacher at Kumbarilla after 1910. Sir Robert Menzies used to visit this family as Emily WATERS was once his teacher at Jeparit in Victoria. I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction to locate cemeteries where these people maybe buried and to make contact with their descendants. I believe their properties may have been known as "Miram" and "Kaniva". Thanks Lyn Bateson -- MZ

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Hello, I was reading through some listings of family genealogies of Pommern in the LDS catalog and came across the following names and the film numbers. Here they are for what it is worth. A 6586 Kickbusch aus Gnissau, film no. 1945822 A7307 Kahler aus Neyhausen Film no. 1945825 A7452 Muller aus oldenberg film no. 1945826 A7814 Muller aus Reichenbach film no. 1945828 A7958 Schulz aus Gartz film no. 1945829 A8423 Eichorn aus Berlin film no 1945833 I have seen the above names being sought for information on this list. I do not know if they will yield any new information for you but I thought that it would not hurt to share what I found. cheers, Beverly.

Hello listers, I have the following info on Fredrike Henrietta RADDATZ, (who married Heinrich (Henry) TEIS in her later years) b: abt 1861 m: 31 May 1909 in Qld, AUSTRALIA (to: Heinrich (Henry) TEIS. Were there previous or later marriages? Did she have her own children?) d: 27 Apr 1925 in Qld, AUSTRALIA (Is she buried at Caffey with Henry, or did she marry again after Henry died five years later?) This was a second marriage for Henry who lost his first wife, Anna BERGHOFER, the year before. Does anyone have any further information on Fredrike, so I can fill in some gaps on her? Thanks, Fay in WA mummelf@treko.net.au RESEARCHING: Mumme, Warren, Radford, Pearse, STH.AUSTRALIA, GERMANY, U.K. Diete, Schafferius, Teis, Wendland, QUEENSLAND, GERMANY. Mumme Family website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~chousmith/ Schafferius Family: Apply to me for an invitation to join our private family site.

Albert, My father was in 11th Light Horse from 1938. He was from Dalby, but I know they were camped at Beaudesert, Warwick, and Cabarlah over the next few years and members of that regiment were from all around the Darling Downs. My father volunteered for fulltime military service in 1941. Soon after that the horses were sent home and they became the 11th Motor Regiment and were transferred to Gatton. Perhaps that could have something to do with why your Uncle was discharged around that time. What was your Uncle's name and where did he live? My father, though 96, would probably remember the names of the people in the Light Horse with him. He still lives in Dalby. I have a number of photographs of members of that regiment. Jill Tumes.

Easter Greetings to you all. Today is Easter day here but is the day after Easter for most of you. I note with sadness the passing of the Queen Mum. For me she has been a grandmother figure all my life and it will be sad not to see her any more in her wonderful hats and elegant dresses. sincerely, Beverly.

Can anybody out there tell me how I can establish the Light Horse units that may have had a headquarters or a troop in or near Toowoomba in the 1930s. I have an uncle who is alleged to have joined the Light Horse about 1938 or 39. What intrigues me here is that he never went top the war but was apparently discharge at the outbreak of war. I do not understand that. I reckon there might well be an association around town somewhere. Albert Grulke in wet cold miserable Melbourne

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Hi, I have a Sarah Jane BRADY, born 22 Nov 1888, daughter of Micheal and Maryjane Josephine Kane. She had a son, Clarence Reginald Brady, born 1907. Any connection? Regards Bettina Kolb Bavaria Researching TULLE, HAMANN, GEITZ, WANKE, MC DONALD, BUSCH, HAFEY > I am new to internet family history research, so bear with me! > I am trying to find information on my Grandmother and Grandfathers family, > who were both around Toowoomba at the turn of the century. > My Grandmothers name was Monica Brady born 1911 at Merrits Creek, son of > James and Elizabeth Brady. I believe some of her brothers worked on the > Toowoomba railway line. I think her family may have had a Sawmill? > My Grandfather was John Patrick Cronin. I have little information > surrounding him or the Cronin Family in Toowoomba. > Any information would be greatly appreciated, or any tips as to where I > can find info would be great. > > Thankyou, > Corinne CroninGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== AUS-QLD-TOOWOOMBA Mailing List ==== > Toowoomba Dead Persons Society > www.audps.com > Deaths, Obituaries, Marriages & Births from Early Queensland Newspapers > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -- ---------------------------------- Bettina Kolb GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

HI all I am looking for descendants of John Henry WATERS and Martha BATESON originally from Victoria. John (born 1877 in SA) was the son of James Henry WATERS and Emily REYNOLDS. John and Martha WATERS had children - Leila Jean WATERS born Nhill in 1904, Alan James WATERS twin of Clarence John WATERS born in 1906 in Nhill, and Constance Emily WATERS born Kaniva in 1909. Martha WATERS nee BATESON was sister of JAMES BATESON who also left Kaniva, Victoria to settle in Toowoomba about 1923. I suspect the WATERS family also made their way to Qld. - maybe to Dalby area. Please let me know if anyone knows of any descendant of these families. Cheers Lyn -- MZ

Hi Jenny I know of one LEITCH but know very little about her. She was recorded in "Friedrich & Katharina BAUER, Ancestors & Descendants", by Wendy White, (1998), Page 218. Mary LEITCH Born: 11 March 1878 Greenock, Scotland Died: 29 December 1944 Rockhampton, Qld, Aust Buried: Toowong, Qld, Aust . +Carl Oscar BAUER Born: 3 November 1878 Oakey Creek, Qld, Aust Married: 27 January 1899 Bundaberg, Qld, Aust Died: 28 October 1942 Brisbane, Qld, Aust Buried: Toowong, Qld, Aust Father: Jakob BAUER Mother: Maria Catharine REUTER Her descendants are recorded in the book. Is this the family you are looking for? Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Dunroamin [mailto:jennyl@rocknet.net.au] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 5:26 AM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Family Research Dear all Does anyone have any information on the following families whom I am researching. PING from around Gayndah and Longreach PLAHN LEITCH who were around Tiaro/Mt. Morgan/Longreach ROBERTS Ralph & Ada from Mt.Morgan & Rockhampton Any assistance would be great, thanks. Jenny

Do you have a German family member born between December 1858 and March 1859 whose birth doesn't appear to be registered here in Australia ie. Colony of NSW? Does the timing appear to coincide with the family's emigration? Is a birth 'at sea' feasible? The "Solon" departed Bremen Dec 1858 and arriv. Table Bay, Cape Town 16 March 1859. Supposedly two babies were born during this period - surnames/sex unknown. Three other infants born after the "Solon" left Cape Town were registered at Moreton Bay when the vessel arrived there 25 May 1859: MOESER b. 02 May 1859 Q Ref. 59/0000 64A MARINE WEICKHARDT b. 22 April 1859 Q Ref. 59/0000 63A MARINE GOSSNER b. 18 April 1859 Q Ref. 59/0000 65A MARINE (All male children.) I am hoping someone may be able to provide another 'possibility' for my (partially) reconstructed Passenger List for this voyage. Or, conversely, if you have a surname, it may already appear on my List and I may be able to verify this for you. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes. Corporations Law Section 849 Declaration - The Directors of Wilson HTM Ltd (A.B.N. 68 010 529 665) advise that they and their associates may have beneficial interests in the securities that they recommend and may receive commissions or fees in relation to dealings in these securities. Whilst Wilson HTM Ltd believes the information contained in this communication is based on reliable information, no warranty is given as to its accuracy and persons relying on this information do so at their own risk. Any projections contained in this communication are estimates only and may not be realised in the future. Subject to any liability which cannot be excluded under the Trade Practices Act, 1974 and the Corporations Law, Wilson HTM Ltd disclaims all liability to any person relying on the information contained in this communication in respect of any loss or damage (including consequential loss or damage) however caused, which may be suffered or arise directly or indirectly in respect of such information. This communication was prepared for multiple distribution and does not take account of the specific investment objectives of individual recipients and it may not be appropriate in all circumstances. Persons relying on this information should do so in light of their specific investment objectives and financial situations. Persons considering action on the basis of this communication are advised to contact Wilson HTM Ltd for individual advice in the light of their particular circumstances. This communication is not to be disclosed in whole or part or used by any other party without Wilson HTM Ltd's prior written consent. The Wilson HTM Privacy statement is available for you to view on our web-site at www.wilsonhtm.com.au

G'Day All, The following it a condensed version of German references in D.B. Waterson's book 'Squatter Selector and Storekeeper A History of the Darling Downs 1859-93' copyright 1968. It contains some facts I did not know and helps me appreciate what occurred historically and socially and explains to some degree certain unexplainable facts in my ancestral history. The Initial German Settlement on the Darling Downs The Darling Downs during the 1830s to 1860s was divided into large lease land holdings. These settlers had come out from England, with reserves of capital, and had come to the Darling Downs taking large tracts of land under lease. The rich grasslands of the Downs and the low lease rents gave rise to a rich pastoral aristocracy. They chose to graze rather than till the rich soil. Most of these holdings were self-sufficient in that they maintained tradesmen and workers on the station and as such relied very little on the services of the nearby towns of Toowoomba and Warwick. This powerful squatter class held dominance over Queensland's affairs. In the 1850s there was a labour shortage on the pastoral properties of the Darling Downs due to the pastoral workers vanishing to the gold fields. To counter this phenomenon, the squatter aristocracy used German agents to recruit German Shepard migrants who were brought out under contract between 1852 and 1855. As the squatter's properties were unfenced, a Shepard's job was to live in isolated areas of the property and protect a flock of sheep from dingos, aboriginal hunters and generally keep the flock in the boundaries of the station. They proved to be reliable, frugal and sober workers who managed to save sufficient cash out of their wages of 20 to 30 pounds per year (and rations) to enable them to purchase land in the Sixties. These immigrants were forced to come out not through religious persecution as their South Australian counterparts had done but through agricultural disasters that caused famine and abandonment of uneconomical land holdings caused by generations of land division. The Political Climate on the Darling Downs 1850 -1890 At the time of Queensland's separation in 1859 there was a challenge to the squatters dominance by the merchants, artisans and professional men who were jealous of the Downs pastoralists pre-eminence, economic success and exploitation. J.D. Lang and his followers pushed the ideals of the yeoman and these groups pressured the government into legislating the Selection Acts, acts which were designed to break up the large landholdings of the squatters into smaller holdings and make this land available to the farmer. As the power in the Government was still held by the squatters, they closed ranks to defend their basic interest, and as such, the initial Selection Acts were framed to advantage the squatter. These Acts allowed pre-emptive selection by the squatter of the choicest of lands and then the subdivision and conversion of leasehold to freehold land. These allotments were offered to other settlers who had the capital to purchase and improve the land. There was a practice of dummying whereby an entitled person to land, sold that privilege to the squatter and the squatter claimed the land under the entitled's name thus ensuring that most of the original holding was kept intact. As a result of the squatter's devious practices sprang a great political movement led principally on the Downs by William H. Groom to defeat the power of the squatter and establish an agrarian society on the Downs. Groom, an ex-convict from England who had served his time, had come to the Downs in 1856 initially as a storekeeper then hotelier. He became partners in the 'Toowoomba Chronicle' one of the Downs newspapers, eventually owning it in his own right later on. This paper was to serve as Groom's mouthpiece in his political career which spanned from 1861 to 1901 which included Mayor of Toowoomba, MLA in the Queensland Parliament and the first member to represent the Darling Downs in the new Federal Government. The Second Wave of German Immigration The initial German settlers with their strict moral habits and strong religious faith, created a reputation which recommended them to J.D.Lang as a Protestant yeoman class to counter the threatened invasion of 'Roman Catholic paupers' from Ireland. Lang's views were endorsed by Governor Bowen and the 1860 Select Committee on Immigration created a policy of assisted and land-order immigration. Germans, once again recruited by agents, emigrated to Queensland between 1861 and 1866 when it was brought to a halt through economical factors, agricultural failures and wars. Immigration resumed on modified lines in 1870. Compared with other groups, there was a high proportion of married couples (45%), 25% of German immigrants were children under 12 years and there was a fairly high ratio of female unmarried settlers. Immigration in numbers continued up to the mid 1870s but in Germany, confederation, the formation of an industrial empire, and the migration laws and harsh military service regulations discouraged immigration. Nevertheless, 17,360 Germans migrants arrived in Queensland between 1861 and 1879. The Darling Downs, with its existing pastoral German population, attracted many of the government-assisted migrants although most settled on the scrubs lands of Moreton. Logan, Albert, Caboolture, Rosewood, Laidley and Marburg. In 1864 there were 1,250 German-born on the Downs representing 10.4% of the region's population and in 1876 the number was 2,016 representing 7% of the region's population. Amongst the Germans there was a strong sense of national identity and resistance to complete assimilation. In 1891, a generation after the first wave of agricultural settlement, there were 4,286 professed Lutherans on the Downs, 10% of the regional population and 18% of all Queensland Lutherans. Although the English and Irish population were more numerous than the Germans, their ability to farm small acreages was no match for the German adeptness. Many German immigrants came from heavy land utilization areas, due to generational land division, and wine growing areas. The Germans first tended to congregate in a few localities: Middle Ridge, Drayton, Meringandan, Glencoe, Geham and Goombungee and typically German language was spoken more than English. These areas accounted for 54% of all Lutherans on the Downs in 1891. However the other half of the Lutherans were scattered all over the Downs in Warwick, Allora, Spring Creek, Emu Creek and Cambooya. These isolated settlers tended to have larger properties, intermarry more freely with their 'foreign' neighbours and became assimilated more rapidly than the Germans closer to Toowoomba. In the mid 1870s the Central Downs was resumed for small selection and the most German settlers took up land in 40 acre blocks. The German immigrant was poor when arriving in Australia and did not have the means to acquire larger land holdings. Their tenacity, industry and frugality ensured their success whereas most other settlers gave up and walked off. The German farmer had a preference for the red scrub soils against the black earth and hence dictated the areas . On the whole, however, the group became unshakably 'petty bourgeois' in its search for property, security, acceptance and respectability. Most Germans came to the Downs in family units determined to preserve these standards and attitudes, which they thought, were threatened in their 'new home' . The Lutheran Church set about the preservation of German culture through group conformity to religious and social ideals. The church was the pivot of most settlers' existence and the only tangible link with the customs of the 'Fatherland'. Its members believed in Luther's interpretation of the Bible, the right of the church to discipline its members and to influence all activities. Committees appointed by the Church settled disputes amongst the Lutheran community. It was a gross breach for a member to take another to law. If a member committed a sin he was admonished three times, if he refused to repent he was called before the congregation and if he persisted he was expelled from the church. The German-born pastors attempted to exercise the same degree of spiritual and temporal control over their flocks as they did in Germany. This caused great resentment amongst the Australian-born who felt that such anachronisms were humiliating and unnecessary in open society. The belief that the loss of the German language meant loss of the Lutheran faith caused retention and blind adherence to the German language. This belief was nurtured by the German-born settlers but lost the church many of its native-born parishioners. This drift from the church was accentuated by the scattered nature of Downs settlers, the difficulty in obtaining German pastors, the failure of the German education system and the different dialects used by the church and its adherents. In 1893 ten Lutheran congregations, served by five pastors, were in existence on the Downs. With the exception of Westbrook, all were in the Toowoomba, Highfields and Goombungee area. Failure to service other isolated congregations meant these congregations were lost to the faith. The Germans had difficulties in coping with problems of pioneering and preventing the adaptation of British culture. When the church realized that although social assimilation was inevitable and the church could survive and flourish with the English language, it was too late to recover lost ground. Politics Politically, the Germans on the Downs were quick to appreciate the power of their votes, even when intensive political activity was not a traditional part of their community life. The constituencies of Drayton, Toowoomba and Aubigny, where the concentration of German settlers was the highest, the Germans through their characteristic block-voting controlled the political fortunes of three representatives. The Germans were fully supportive of their patron William H. Groom who had established close ties with the new settlers as no other Briton had done. He negotiated their land orders, transacted their business, and smoothed difficulties that the German migrants encountered when dealing with the bureaucracy. The Germans were motivated to participate in Downs politics. The Aliens Act of 1867 granted immediate citizenship to all those taking the oath of allegiance but prevented aliens from holding freehold land. As land acquisition was their main objective, these regulations created a large German minority vote. Their economic aspirations drew them to the politics of Groom and his associates who advocated personal advancement through education and hard work. When their group allegiance was given to a politician, little could waive it. However, after the Germans had supported Groom in securing the election of Perkins in Aubigny in 1878, at the next election Perkins alienated this vote by referring to the Germans wine as 'hogwash'. Perkins new brewery was in competition to German produced wine. The German vote elected Groom in 1862 and this vote was never lost. There were attempts to unseat him and notably by a German smallholder Henry Roessler, who was totally rejected by his fellow-countrymen in favour of Groom. The voting power of the Germans was so strong, squatters tried to remove German voters from the electoral rolls, which further incensed and consolidated the Germans behind Groom. The Germans had a passion for spectacle, with brass bands and flags marching to the polling places behind their leaders to vote solidly for Groom. Francis Kates from Allora and Jocob Horwitz from Warwick one a miller and the other a storekeeper contested and won Downs constituencies between 1878 and 1893. The Germans' initial willingness 'to hire themselves for whatever they could get ' was an early source of friction but in general, they were not competitors on the labour market. British-German relationships were regarded as excellent in the nineteenth century but cordial, surface attitudes did conceal some economic and political animosity. The successes Germans had at farming and their block-voting at elections caused resentment at times. World War 1 inflamed latent antagonisms. Voting in the Military Service Referendum Regulations of 1917 disqualified every naturalized British subject who was born in an enemy country. As this disenfranchised all German-born naturalized Australians, who had seen their sons go off to war it was seen as a humiliating form of discrimination. German street names and place names were changed and there was an attempt to burn the Toowoomba Lutheran Church. German immigrants were regarded as; white, Protestant, apparently 'liberal' politically, and present in manageable numbers. The British minority overlooked their initial non-conformity to social mores. Regards Alan Researching: BAUER, BEH, ELLIOTT, HEUSCHELE, MULLER, NUSS, PHILLIPS, ROBB, HEGARTY, PLATZ, WILSON, ROBERTS, WAGNER, WEIS.

Dear all Does anyone have any information on the following families whom I am researching. PING from around Gayndah and Longreach PLAHN LEITCH who were around Tiaro/Mt. Morgan/Longreach ROBERTS Ralph & Ada from Mt.Morgan & Rockhampton Any assistance would be great, thanks. Jenny

Dear Michael, Degilbo and Wetheron were large sheep and cattle Stations,really a small settlement where many people lived and worked for the owners of these properties.Degilbo was the main settlement in 1856 and was on the road from Maryborough and would be about 80klms by road to there and Wetheron a further 20 klms to the west and on the Burnett River at Mingo Crossing.The area is rich in gold mines and other minerals and a large dam is going to built at the Gold Field at Paradise which is between the two places.There are lots of archival files on Degilbo,as this was the main centre before Biggenden became the new town 12 klms to the SE of there in 1865.The Qld State Archives at Runcorn Brisbane, and would be a good place to search. www.archives.qld.gov.au Regards Noel Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rowley" <mickeyr@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: SURNAME - MÖSSNER (aka MESNER, MESSNER) > I am trying to piece together some background of some of my German ancestors, namely my G/G/Grandparents Johann Mich. Mössner and his wife Christiane (nee Bochringer). > > Shortly after their arrival at Maryborough on 28 March 1856 via "Helene" they went to Wetheron. At that time they had 2 children Christiane (later known as Annie) aged 8, and Johann Gottl.aged 3. > > Another daughter Eliza was born abt 1858 at Degilbo. > > Naturally I would like to hear if anyone knows anything of the family, but also about Wetheron and Degilbo. > > I am not a Queenslander and am interested to know if those 2 places are (or were) actual towns, or the names of properties where perhaps these folk went to work. > > Thanks, Michael in Sydney > > ______________________________

Michael, Degilbo is 6 kilometres west of Biggenden and Wetherton is about 25 kilometres north-east of Gayndah. Judging from the map I am looking at, there is a railway siding and a homestead with those names nearby. I have a copy of a book "The Gayndah Communes" written by Bill Metcalf and published in 1998 by the Central Queensland University Press, PO Box 1615, Rockhampton Qld 4700. Bill is an Academic at that University and researched the establishment and ultimate failure of communes (in the classic sense) which were established on the original Degilbo (1849) and Wetherton (1850) runs which were taken up in the "great Burnett land grab" of 1847. The above dates are when the runs were formally approved by the NSW government. The early part of the book sets the scene for the 1890s communes and describes the people involved in these two properties and something of the history of the localities. I bought my copy of the book at the local bookshop in suburban Brisbane. Perhaps your original immigrants were like mine. They came from Germany as young men and women to work on sheep and then cattle stations in the Gayndah area. If you would like more information from the book, let me know. Tom (Researching the HAUPT family when time permits!) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rowley [mailto:mickeyr@optushome.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2002 4:19 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SURNAME - MÖSSNER (aka MESNER, MESSNER) I am trying to piece together some background of some of my German ancestors, namely my G/G/Grandparents Johann Mich. Mössner and his wife Christiane (nee Bochringer). Shortly after their arrival at Maryborough on 28 March 1856 via "Helene" they went to Wetheron. At that time they had 2 children Christiane (later known as Annie) aged 8, and Johann Gottl.aged 3. Another daughter Eliza was born abt 1858 at Degilbo. Naturally I would like to hear if anyone knows anything of the family, but also about Wetheron and Degilbo. I am not a Queenslander and am interested to know if those 2 places are (or were) actual towns, or the names of properties where perhaps these folk went to work. Thanks, Michael in Sydney ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237