Dear Cathy;, I am looking for the death date and Burial of Jacob Trost. I don't know where he is buried. No record of his birth is available other than mention of a land transfer to his name after he was born. could not find him in the QLD BDM for birth or death but it is assumed that he died. His mother was Augustine Friedericke or Fredericke Augustine TROST and his father was Johann Carl Wilhelm TROST of Mutdapilly. Jacob was born 29 Aug 1887. His father died 10 Jan 1887 in Ipswich but I don't know where he is buried. His mother died 21 Jul 1920 and is buried in Mutdapilly Cemetery. Is the cemetery you refer to also called the Mutdapilly Cemetery? Let me know, thanks, Beverly.

I have a Grandmother buried there. I also have the names of the people who are buried there. Patricia. (Ipswich, S.E. Queensland)

I am trying to get some background information on some places. Pittsworth. Linthorpe Broxburn Yarranlea and a station property called "Broadwater" or a similar name. All I know at this stage si that it is located south of Dalby but I reckon can't be very far south. Any help appreciated Albert Grulke in sunny warm Melbourne

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonita" <ladybonita@attbi.com> To: "German Surnames" <GERMAN-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com>; <hannover-l@genealogy.net>; <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com>; <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com>; <palebano-l@rootsweb.com>; <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com>; <TMG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: [HN] German Research Software > I found a web site that has 2 pieces of software: > > 1) GermanName Maps .. it is a distribution of surnames in Germany > 2) Digital German Gazetteer that helps find "populated places" in German and then allows printing of map. > > http://www.germannames.com/index.html > > He also has a book on Pennsylvania Land Records to 1769 .. which we know has a lot of Germans who immigrated to Pennsylvania. > > Bonita -- Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hannover-l mailing list > Hannover-l@genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >

Some time ago there was some discussion on this(?) list re. Agreements between prospective German emigrants and land owners here in Australia: Thought there may be some interest in the following - Memorandum of Agreement (Contract) between Georg Wilhelm KOCH and H? E DECKER on behalf of George LESLIE. (Form is 'pre-printed' - German on one side/English on reverse - 'Fill in the blanks'. It was located 'by accident' National Library of Australia Manuscript Collection MS 3587 Docker, Joseph. "Papers relating to ill treatment of German immigrants to Australia in 1858".) Memorandum of Agreement made this day 23 rd of June 1852 between George Wm Koch and wife of Schwiegershausen and Mr George Leslie of Moreton Bay. The said Mr George Leslie agrees to hire the said George Wm Koch agrees to serve the said Mr George Leslie on his station in the colony of New South Wales for the term of two years from the arrival on the said station, on the following terms: The said George Wm Koch are to serve the said Mr George Leslie the man as shepherd and the wife to make herself generally useful and to make themselves generally useful and are at all times to obey all the lawful and reasonable commands of the said Mr George Leslie or his agents. The said Mr George Leslie in return for such services agrees to pay the said George Wm Koch & wife wages at the rate of 25 Pounds Sterling per year and to supply them weekly with the following rations, namely: 15 lb Beef or Mutton 3 lb Sugar 15 lb Flour 3/8 lb Tea or ¾ lb Coffee and further to advance 26 Pound Sterling for the passage of the said George Wm Koch to New South wales, which amount the said Mr George Wm Koch agree hereby to repay in installments out of their wages, in sums not less than 13 Pounds during each year, until the whole 26 Pounds Sterling have been paid off. In Witness whereof they have mutually affixed their signatures to this document. Witness: G W KOCH H? E DECKER for George LESLIE W? D? BISCHOFF (Bischoff & Co. was a shipping agent.) Georg Wilhelm Koch a.k.a. 'William Koch' arriv. 25 Oct 1852 Sydney per the "Peter Godeffroy" and died, as a result of scurvy, at Five Mile Sheep Station, Burenda (near present day Augathella, Q) 08 May 1865. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes. Corporations Law Section 849 Declaration - The Directors of Wilson HTM Ltd (A.B.N. 68 010 529 665) advise that they and their associates may have beneficial interests in the securities that they recommend and may receive commissions or fees in relation to dealings in these securities. Whilst Wilson HTM Ltd believes the information contained in this communication is based on reliable information, no warranty is given as to its accuracy and persons relying on this information do so at their own risk. Any projections contained in this communication are estimates only and may not be realised in the future. Subject to any liability which cannot be excluded under the Trade Practices Act, 1974 and the Corporations Law, Wilson HTM Ltd disclaims all liability to any person relying on the information contained in this communication in respect of any loss or damage (including consequential loss or damage) however caused, which may be suffered or arise directly or indirectly in respect of such information. This communication was prepared for multiple distribution and does not take account of the specific investment objectives of individual recipients and it may not be appropriate in all circumstances. Persons relying on this information should do so in light of their specific investment objectives and financial situations. Persons considering action on the basis of this communication are advised to contact Wilson HTM Ltd for individual advice in the light of their particular circumstances. This communication is not to be disclosed in whole or part or used by any other party without Wilson HTM Ltd's prior written consent. The Wilson HTM Privacy statement is available for you to view on our web-site at www.wilsonhtm.com.au

Hi Joan, Try www.SchoolFriends.com.au I think part of the site may now be commercial part still free, have had messages from school friends around Australia who attended the same schools as myself. It was wonderful hearing from them after many years. Follow the instructions on the site, you can list yourself either as pupil or teacher, reunions, and school photos etc. Hope this helps, Jenny Jenny Myers Arcadia Vale NSW Australia

Is there a site where you can advertise for old school photoes? Joan

Hi Marionne and Listers, The Vernor German Baptist Cemetery is still there it is actually now in the middle of a cow paddock, the Rosewood Historical Society did clean it up a couple of years ago. Is there anyone in particular you are looking for. Thanks Cathy Reinke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marionne Diggles" <mamee@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Vernor Baptist Cemetery > Hi everyone, > > I seem to remember something about this cemetery on the list some time > ago. Does anyone know what has happened to the Vernor Baptist Cemetery > on the old Fernvale-Lowood Rd? > I have been asked if any restoration has taken place in the last couple > of years. > > Many thanks, > Cheers > Marionne > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi everyone, I seem to remember something about this cemetery on the list some time ago. Does anyone know what has happened to the Vernor Baptist Cemetery on the old Fernvale-Lowood Rd? I have been asked if any restoration has taken place in the last couple of years. Many thanks, Cheers Marionne

Hi, Excuse the length of this email but I thought I would get all this family out in the open in the hope that someone might recognise a name or two. I am tracing the Ungerer family who settled in Brisbane from Germany. They are as follows: JACOB KARL UNGERER born approx 1845 in Germany.. Died 27.apr.1897 marries KATHERINE JULIANNE HEILMANN... Feb 1872 in Baumerlenbach, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg migrated to Australia on board the "Almora" on 13th Jan,1883 with children. KATHERINE ELISABETH UNGERER. 07. Dec.1872 Dudweiler, Saarbrucken, Germany JOHANNA ELISABETH FLORINA UNGERER 17.Sept.1874 " " MARGARETHA UNGERER 24.Aug.1876 " " KARL ANTON WILHELM UNGERER 25.Feb.1878 " " CHRISTIAN FRIEDRICH UNGERER 17.Nov.1879 died 27.Apr.1882 in Germany OTTO CHRISTIAN UNGERER 18.SEPT.1881 Dudweiler, Saarbrucken, Germany they settled in Nundah, Brisbane, Qld and had RUDOLPH MICHAEL UNGERER 07. JUNE.1884 died 12.may.1885 Nundah, Brisbane, Qld, Australia AMELIA ROSA UNGERER 14.Mar.1886 Nundah, Brisbane ADOLF GOTTLIEB WILHELM UNGERER 4.NOV.1887 Nundah, Brisbane LILIAN CHRISTINA UNGERER 13.Jan.1890 Nundah, Brisbane LESLIE UNGERER 21.Mar.1893 Nundah, Brisbane ERNEST UNGERER 1.Apr.1897 Mackay, Qld, Australia and the family settled in Mackay. Yours Trish from Mackay Sunny North Queensland Australia

Hi All , Im looking for information on Sarah McShane brn abt1840 in Ct. Amagah Ierland and may have been sent to Australia as a convict. She may have been involved in a ship wreck off the coast of Queensland in abt 1865, at Port Denison/ Bowen. Research from indexes(BD&M) for Sarah McShane reveals she had a baby 14Jul 1865 father not stated. Then she marries John Riddle 27Jan1871 (index no 57.71 Qld), has another baby called John Riddle born on 27Sep1871 (index no 71/0007 Qld) and her husband dies in 1871 (index no 173.71 Qld). Sarah Riddle then re-marries Simon Kranz on 11Jun1872 in Brisbane ( index no 3599/72 Qld) and has another baby, John Laurence on 30Jun1873 (index no 73/008 Qld) and then her husband dies again in 1875 (index no 488/75 Qld). I have not been able to trace what happened to her after that. I can't find a death under Sarah Kranz and I can't find her remarriage. Maybe she died interstate or went back to Ireland. Does anyone have any information on Sarah McShane/ Riddle / Kranz or John Riddle or John Lawrance Kranz. It would be greatly Appreciated . Sarah may have had a sister Mary . Thanks in Advance Michelle m_kranz@dds.nl

Hi Albert and listers: Coming up shortly, when I finish typing it, its rather lengthy, will be a brief early history of the Toowoomba Hospital from around 1850 to 1890s. but in the meantime, Albert, I have located the following from the newspaper of the day, The Toowoomba Chronicle Saturday 25th July 1885: FATAL ACCIDENT AT MIDDLE RIDGE: We regret to learn that a rather sad accident which terminated fatally, happened to a resident of Middle Ridge, named Gustav Gruhlke, on Saturday last. The unfortunate man was bringing a load of straw to town and when near the residence of Mr Beh's, he found that the load had shifted to one side. he stopped the horse, and equalised the balance of the load. After shifting the straw, he proceeded to pull the rope tight on the straw, and while in the act of doing this, the rope broke and he fell backwards on to the ground. As he appeared to be severely injured, and unable to move, a little daughter of his, who happened to be with him, ran up to Mr Beh's house, and Dr Garde was immediately sent for. Upon his arrival the doctor examined Gruhlke, and found he had sustained a severe nervous shock {Albert tells the story that Gustav his grandfather fell onto a pitchfork and pierced his spinal cord, but no mention of that in this report}. The doctor was, however, hopeful that the shock would pass away and the man recover. Such hope was, however, not destined to be realised. At first he seemed to improve, but on Monday, it became evident that his case was hopeless and on that evening he expired. the deceased was 37 years of age, and leaves a widow and a family of four young children to mourn the loss of their provider. He was an industrious and sober man, and was not many years in the colony. As himself and family were only beginners in the way of farming, the circumstances of the widow and children are in anything but a good condition, and as Mrs Gruhlke is not in the best of health at present, she is precinded from earning her living. This seems a fair case for the exercise of charity, and we are glad to learn that some steps are being taken to assist the bereaved widow and orphans. Bye for now, Jim

Hi Listers, Recently Gordon Barlow raised the question of who were the directors of the Association of the first board for the Toowoomba Gas and Coke Company: Here goes: Frederick Hurrell HOLBERTON, Toowoomba, Storekeeper, 100 shares Josiah BOOTH, Toowoomba, storekeeper, 50 shares John Poole McLEISH, Toowoomba, storekeeper, 50 shares Robert FILSHIE, Toowoomba, Plumber, 100 shares James Watts GRIMES, Toowoomba, Stock & Station agent, 100 shares James Thorneloe SMITH, Civil engineer, Toowoomba, 100 shares John GARGET, Builder, Toowoomba, 100 shares Patrick PERKINS, Brewer, Toowoomba, 100 shares Edwin Woodward ROBINSON, Toowoomba, agent, 100 shares Charles CAMPBELL, Toowoomba, Butcher, 50 shares Richard GODSALL, Builder, Toowoomba, 100 shares James CAMPBELL, Butcher, Toowoomba 50 shares Total Shares 1000 shares Dated this eighteenth day of April in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and seventy eight.

G'Day List If someone has access to the Horn Genealogy Book by Ken Chinnery, could they advise if recorded, the marriage details, the husband's name and children of Catherina HORN (nee KEISECKER) born 11 Feb 1802 in Bestenheid (Wurtheim area) died 24 Oct 1873. She subsequently went on as a widow and married Johann Peter NUSS 13 Jan 1853 in Kembach. Regards Alan

G'Day Alan and List Suggest you look at http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm . This site gives a good description of the 18th century German Naming Conventions. This convention was used in both Germany and Pennsylvania US. Regards Keith. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Phillips" <alphi@sun.big.net.au> > To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:06 AM > Subject: German Naming Conventions > > > > G'Day List > > I have just received some research from German church records and have > noted > > that there is a god parent listed in the birth records. I have also > noted that > > the child to be christened was given the first and second Christian names > of the > > godparent. I do not know if this is an evangelist or a catholic church > record. > > The record comes from the Wertheim Baden area. Is this a standard naming > > convention or is this a local isolated instance? > > Regards > > Alan > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Is there anyone in the SE German group with any expert knowledge on this subject so we can all get the story right. Please. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm & Hazel FORD [mailto:malford@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2002 7:44 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: German Naming Conventions Hi List & Alan, We have found that our WUNDERLICH family from Offenbach, near Frankfurt, named their children after the godparents (sponsors) . They were evangelicals. The FORDs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Phillips" <alphi@sun.big.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: German Naming Conventions > G'Day List > I have just received some research from German church records and have noted > that there is a god parent listed in the birth records. I have also noted that > the child to be christened was given the first and second Christian names of the > godparent. I do not know if this is an evangelist or a catholic church record. > The record comes from the Wertheim Baden area. Is this a standard naming > convention or is this a local isolated instance? > Regards > Alan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi List & Alan, We have found that our WUNDERLICH family from Offenbach, near Frankfurt, named their children after the godparents (sponsors) . They were evangelicals. The FORDs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Phillips" <alphi@sun.big.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: German Naming Conventions > G'Day List > I have just received some research from German church records and have noted > that there is a god parent listed in the birth records. I have also noted that > the child to be christened was given the first and second Christian names of the > godparent. I do not know if this is an evangelist or a catholic church record. > The record comes from the Wertheim Baden area. Is this a standard naming > convention or is this a local isolated instance? > Regards > Alan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi All, If anyone interested in the WOCKNER surname please contact me again with your connection. This family is finally coming together!!!!! It does seem we are all related. Diana in Thorneside QLD. Other names that I have connected are KORB(KREBS), GENTNER, LOVEJOY, KAHLER, WALKER, CAMPBELL, O'SULLIVAN, WAGLAND, BECKMANN, FRAWLEY,BOTHWELL,NAGEL,MORGAN,LEWIS,MARGETTS,DARR,BUCHEISTER,GRAY,MULLER,BALDOCK,DESMOND,LANGE and MCKELLAR.

Hi Alan, it was more or less a standard naming convention. Often the children had 3 to 5 goodparents and the poor child had therefore 5 to 7 given names (incl. those of parents and grandparents). It becomes even more difficult if you have a family with 10 children and 9 of them have the same typical given names in the queue of given names, like August, Friedrich, Johann. Which of the the many given names then became the "calling" name you never knew, it could be the first, but also the last one or even another name. My poor father has the following given names: Horst Christian Albert Paul Rudolf Max my grandfather Paul Ernst Joseph Heinrich August and my sister Kirsten Christine Elisabeth Margarethe Now don't get lost in the jungle of given names and happy hunting! Cheers Tina > G'Day List > I have just received some research from German church records and have > noted > that there is a god parent listed in the birth records. I have also > noted that > the child to be christened was given the first and second Christian names > of the > godparent. I do not know if this is an evangelist or a catholic church > record. > The record comes from the Wertheim Baden area. Is this a standard naming > convention or is this a local isolated instance? > Regards > Alan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -- ---------------------------------- Bettina Kolb Reichertshausen Germany http://home.bereich.com/kolb GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

G'Day List I have just received some research from German church records and have noted that there is a god parent listed in the birth records. I have also noted that the child to be christened was given the first and second Christian names of the godparent. I do not know if this is an evangelist or a catholic church record. The record comes from the Wertheim Baden area. Is this a standard naming convention or is this a local isolated instance? Regards Alan