Hello list, I found a reference that there should be the name Baddow in Queensland or Boddow should be es. Ist is bekannt to somebody over it a little? I found here raus which it already appeared my name Woddow as Boddow and Goddow but the origin was Woddow. Now would interest me it from where comes the family Baddow or Boddow? Yours sincerely Peter Woddow

Hi Everyone I have used the words "CD for Qld BDM" on many occasions and I always seem to get the same question from different folks - What is 'CD for Qld BDM'? 'The Queensland Pioneer Index 1829-1889' is a CD of Qld Births, Deaths and marriages. an update on the mircofische. The next CD will be released in the next 12 months. It covers births, deaths and marriages in Qld until 1889 (maybe some missing but most are there). The details are the same as on the microfische but easier to search as will give all NAME within the CD. Search by surname, given name, event, father's name, mother's name, (or for marriages - spouse' surname and given name), date or reference number. * is a wild card and represent any letter or group of letters. It was released through: Macbeth Genealogical Services Pty Ltd and they can be contacted via one of the following means: Email: jephcott@macbeth.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.macbeth.com.au/ Post: PO Box 136 HAMPTON VIC 3188 Australia OR Inquiries should be addressed to: The Registrar-General, Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages, 501 Ann Street, Brisbane, Qld. (PO Box 188 Brisbane Albert Street Qld. 4002). Hope they can help - or check out their website for further details. I think in future I had better refer to it as 'The Queensland Pioneer Index 1829-1889' CD. Hope this answers all those recent queries. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich Researching: 1. CONVICTS: CROSS, Flood, HAYES, McGEE, McCarthy, GALLAGHER. (Windsor, NSW) 2. WESCHE, KADDATZ, SCHAPER - Germany 1880's - Qld Aust. 3. MALLYON, Gibbs, Purkiss - Essex, UK 1874 - Qld Aust. Including - Davison, Moran, Hillier, BURNET. 4. McGUIRE - Ireland 1842 Redcoat - Qld Aust. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/mcguiretom.htm Including - Melia, WORLEY, MOORE, SAUNDERS, THOMPSON, McFARLANE, Martin. 5. MADDEN, Coghlane, Burke, - Ireland 1863 - Qld Aust. Including - Collins, Burke, RYAN, DOYLE, MARTIN, SCANLAN, Campbell, Smart, Callaghan, O'Brien

Hi All I keep weaving my basket and now it's absolutely chock-a-block with IRISH/GERMAN people! Those of you on both Lists will get it twice, sorry. A change of pace do you say?? How do you think I feel when all of those you-beaut bits of stuff about the GEISSMANNs kept flowing in a couple of years back, and I kept saying "GIESEMANN NOT GEISSMANN"? So then, I have Mary Jane KERLIN, second daughter of James KERLIN and Mary Jane BELL, and sister to Grandfather William John (yikes!), marrying Gustav Theodor Emanuel REINHOLD and one of his sisters BERTHA married Carl Wilhelm GEISSMANN and one of their children was Bernard Reinhold GEISSMANN who was a VIP around where the HARRISONs were - near Beaudesert! Let this be a lesson to all - if you receive a fax of 17 pages, don't 'save it for later' and then try to record it a couple of years later. That printing has a bad habit of fading, and eyeballs end up on sticks!! I also have photocopies of several draft pages of an unprinted book written about that area by John F Stevens and Alex Harrison (our and hundreds of others' Harrisons) in February 1962. There are brief mentions of many of the families on these pages - Cameron, Barnett, Geissmann, Tucker, Siganto, Holme, Henderson, Kidd, Jenyns, Muir, Colvin, Beetham, Morgan, Smith, Wilson, Hinchcliffe, Drynan, Duncan, Shaw, Ryan, Kirks, Carter, Washington, Gill, Irving, Seymour, Pownall (Annie Pownall married Alex Harrison and the Kidds also married into the Harrison family). There are more and most are only given a couple of words up to maybe a sentence or two. I find this part interesting "The first settlers were avout twenty Irish families, most upon the river round what is now Waterford. These were the folk who arrived on the Irish migration ships, "Erin-go-brach" (sic), "Prince Consort", "City of Brisbane", and others, and who later on, moved to the rich vine scrub lands of the Logan and Albert rivers. The sawmiller, John Ryan, was one who arrived with his wife on "Prince Consort", a fellow passenger with William Walsh. Their place at Waterford was taken by about twenty German families, ex "Susannah Godefrey" (sic) in 1864." Maybe I can help somebody with a 'little bit of flesh' for their skeletons, but it won't be too much. Cheers Bev kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au Researching: CANTLE & BARNETT Gloucestershire to Queensland 1883 COURTNEY & DALTON Camberwell England to Qld 1900-1926 GIESEMANN & TIMM Niedersachsen Pru to Qld 1870 HANSEN, HENRICKSEN, CHRISTENSEN etc Vends Herred Denmark HARRISON & WILLIS County Armagh N.Ireland to Vic 1860 to Qld 1862 KERLIN & BELL County Down N.Ireland to Qld 1883 YOUNGS & JOHNSTON Norfolk England to Qld 1883

Upon examining a will and related documents we have for John Klinge of Toowoomba we found a couple of documents that may help other researchers. An affidivat by Friedrich Wilhelm Burghardt stating he prepared the will for John Klinge 3 affidavits by John George Zimerle (Executor of the will) An affidivat by Henry Mengel (Witness to the will). Whilst none give life shattering information they do give addresses and occupations. If anyone would like a copy of these please let us know and we will forward to you Wayne & Di Hoppe Always searching German Families from SE Qld especially Toowoomba & Warwick areas ERHARDT, ERNST, GEITZ, HANSEN, HARTWIG, HOPPE, MINGE, German families from Glen Innes NSW Area GROB, KNAUF, KRAUSS. & Shipping PETER GODEFFROY Arrived 1865. .

Hi Robyn and Bev Just checked the CD for Qld BDM and I offer the following dates for this family:: 1 James Peter HANSON . +Mary MEIKLE Married: 29 December 1874 (1874 / 000149) ......2 Mary Cecilia HANSON Born: 15 December 1875 (1876 / 001822A) ......2 Jane Matilda HANSON Born: 19 April 1877 (1877 / 005531) ......2 William George HANSON Born: 16 January 1879 (1879 / 006027) ......2 Janet Meikle HANSON Born: 19 April 1882 (1882 / 002449) ......2 James Peter HANSON Born: 27 September 1884 (1884 / 003014) Hope they are helpful Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Robin & Patricia Poole [mailto:rppoole@gil.com.au] Sent: Monday, 1 July 2002 9:40 AM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: BEETHAM Hi Bev, Don't know if this is what you are looking for. I have gone back a couple of generations on the HANSON side. Irene Isabell BEETHAM is near the bottom. Good luck. Patricia. (Ipswich, Queensland) Descendants of James Peter Hanson 1 James Peter Hanson b: 1842 in Copenhgen, Denmark. . +Mary Meikle b: 24 March 1850 in Waterside, Scotland. m: Abt 1872 d: 10 May 1927 in Milbong, Queensland, Australia. ....... 2 Mary Cecilia Hanson b: 15 December 1875 d: 14 January 1898 ........... +Julius Ernst Heinrich Topp b: 1876 m: 29 December 1894 d: 25 March 1961 in Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. ....... 2 Jane Matilda Hanson b: 1877 ........... +Ernest Friedrich Ferdenand Hornburg m: 03 May 1894 ....... 2 William George Hanson b: 1879 in Bundamba, Queensland, Australia. ........... +Mary Martha Lena Muller b: 1885 in At Sea, of Australia. m: 20 July 1904 ....... 2 Janet Meikle Hanson b: 1882 d: 1965 ........... +Albert George Hornburg m: 28 March 1901 ....... 2 James Peter Hanson b: 1884 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bev Kerlin <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: BEETHAM > Hi All > > I have been trying to drop Irene Isabelle BEETHAM 06.01.1919 - 13.06.1985 > (m. HORNBERG) into the correct family. Could anyone help me with this one > please? > > Ta > Bev > >

Many thanks to Deb, Daph and Patricia for shoving me in the right direction with that query. I went back to my old Excel files and found her - as large as life, and the older sister of a dear friend Gladys nee Beetham. I even have her children and grandchildren!! To think her Mother was David's Grandmother's sister - oh dear! Regards Bev

Hello Everyone Thank you all for your replies. I can't answer today but I will get back to you soon. Some shock news has burst my bubble. Bev

I am sure some people will raise their eyes at the above name but they may also find some links. Carl Heinrich MULLER 1847Friedberg,Hessen.Darnstadt.marr Marie SCHILLING born 1853 Elwangen.Wurtenberg. marr sep 1872. Frederick Joseph 1874. Max Kate. Gustav Charles Max 10 April 1875 Bowen.Qld.(not known when/how they came.) He married Emily Teresa VOSS.born 12 nov 1872 Bowen.Qld. They had, Charles Frederick born 9 mar 1908 Bowen. Eileen. related families,Mawhirt.Balaam,Harding,Kogler,Roenfeldt,Jeager,Wright.Brooks,Richards.Kellett.

Thanks all for your assistance, I'll reply individually as soon as possible Kind regards Don Gough

Hi Bev, Don't know if this is what you are looking for. I have gone back a couple of generations on the HANSON side. Irene Isabell BEETHAM is near the bottom. Good luck. Patricia. (Ipswich, Queensland) Descendants of James Peter Hanson 1 James Peter Hanson b: 1842 in Copenhgen, Denmark. . +Mary Meikle b: 24 March 1850 in Waterside, Scotland. m: Abt 1872 d: 10 May 1927 in Milbong, Queensland, Australia. ....... 2 Mary Cecilia Hanson b: 15 December 1875 d: 14 January 1898 ........... +Julius Ernst Heinrich Topp b: 1876 m: 29 December 1894 d: 25 March 1961 in Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. ................. 3 Jane Cecilia Topp b: 18 October 1894 d: 24 October 1969 ..................... +Johann Schumacher m: 22 June 1915 d: 1969 ........................... 4 James Schumacher b: 1915 ............................... +Kathryn Lake ........................... 4 Harold Schumacher b: 1917 ............................... +Phyllis Boyce ........................... 4 Edward John Schumacher b: 1920 ............................... +Glenys Zielke ........................... 4 Hartley Francis Schumacher b: 1922 ............................... +Noela Zielke ........................... 4 Leslie Oswald Schumacher b: 28 May 1923 ............................... +Dulcie E Wegener ........................... 4 Irene Cecilia Schumacher b: 1928 ............................... +Ken Nutley ........................... 4 William Henry Schumacher b: 1930 d: 1930 ........................... 4 Olliver Keith Schumacher b: 1931 ............................... +Myre Tomlinson ........................... 4 Alfred Gordon Schumacher b: 1934 ............................... +Roblyn Venzke ........................... 4 Kevin George Schumacher b: 1937 ............................... +Elaine Schneider ................. 3 Alice Hilda Topp b: 22 March 1896 d: 11 December 1978 ..................... +Christopher Wolter m: 12 September 1917 d: 1970 ........................... 4 Evelyn Wolter b: 1918 ............................... +Mervyn Beutel ........................... 4 Edgar George James Wolter b: 1920 ............................... +Thelma J Weber b: Abt 1920 ........................... 4 Norman Frederick Wolter b: 1922 d: 1977 ............................... +Marion Sargent ................. 3 Mary Agnes Topp b: January 1898 d: 16 August 1900 ....... 2 Jane Matilda Hanson b: 1877 ........... +Ernest Friedrich Ferdenand Hornburg m: 03 May 1894 ................. 3 Esther Jane Hornburg d: 10 August 1982 ..................... +Arthur Neuendorf b: 26 November 1905 m: 25 July 1934 d: 23 July 1951 ........................... 4 Noel Neuendorf b: 26 October 1935 ............................... +Lynette Cockburn ........................... 4 Alan Neuendorf b: 22 June 1939 ........................... 4 Glenys Neuendorf b: 28 August 1941 ............................... +Barry Garner ........................... 4 Coral Neuendorf b: 19 October 1943 ............................... +Kevin James ........................... 4 Desleigh Neuendorf b: 13 September 1951 ............................... +Donald Trease ................. 3 Ernest Frederick Hornburg d: 19 November 1979 in Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. ..................... +Johanne Emilie Neuendorf b: 26 June 1899 m: 12 March 1919 in Bobogan Creek, Queensland, Australia. d: 26 July 1964 ........................... 4 Cyril Friedrich Hornburg b: 09 May 1920 ............................... +Vida Wegener b: 24 December 1924 m: 26 July 1952 ........................... 4 Ivan Malcom Hornburg b: 29 April 1923 ............................... +Jean Richards ........................... 4 Dorothy J Hornburg b: 20 December 1929 in Boonah, Queensland, Australia. ............................... +Clarence Bede Ernst ................. 3 Caroline Matilda Hornburg d: 1956 ..................... +Barney Neuendorf. b: 13 August 1897 m: 17 December 1924 d: 26 January 1935 ........................... 4 Bernard Cecil Neuendorf b: 01 December 1926 ............................... +Edna Lepinath ................. 3 William George Hornburg b: Abt 1899 ..................... +Ethel Louise Wegener b: 22 October 1899 m: 1926 ....... 2 William George Hanson b: 1879 in Bundamba, Queensland, Australia. ........... +Mary Martha Lena Muller b: 1885 in At Sea, of Australia. m: 20 July 1904 ................. 3 Mary J Hanson b: 1926 ..................... +Fred Miller ................. 3 John G Hanson b: 1927 ..................... +Sylvia Venz b: Abt 1927 ................. 3 Gordon K Hanson b: 1928 ................. 3 Clarence W Hanson b: 1929 ................. 3 Vincent D Hanson b: 1931 ................. 3 Allan C Hanson b: 1932 ................. 3 Ray A Hanson b: 1934 ................. 3 Stan R Hanson b: 1935 ................. 3 Cecil R Hanson b: 1937 ................. 3 Lawence H Hanson b: 1943 ................. 3 Desmond L Hanson b: 1949 ....... 2 Janet Meikle Hanson b: 1882 d: 1965 ........... +Albert George Hornburg m: 28 March 1901 ................. 3 Lucy May Hornburg b: 1896 ................. 3 Charles Ernest Hornburg b: 27 February 1906 in Mt Whitestone, Queensland, Australia. d: 03 August 1983 ..................... +Irene Isabell Beetham b: 06 January 1919 m: 23 August 1937 in Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. d: 13 June 1985 ....... 2 James Peter Hanson b: 1884 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bev Kerlin <kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: BEETHAM > Hi All > > I have been trying to drop Irene Isabelle BEETHAM 06.01.1919 - 13.06.1985 > (m. HORNBERG) into the correct family. Could anyone help me with this one > please? > > Ta > Bev > >

Hi All I have been trying to drop Irene Isabelle BEETHAM 06.01.1919 - 13.06.1985 (m. HORNBERG) into the correct family. Could anyone help me with this one please? Ta Bev

Hello All I sent something like this a few days ago, but seeing as no one answered it or my further request for acknowledgment of receipt, I guess all of those messages sent during the GO-SLOW on this machine are still in Cyber Space!! Let all be WARNED - don't download a Printer Driver for a Printer not listed on your new computer!! (Brands not named to protect the innocent - still got my sense of humour!) A couple or so weeks ago I asked if anyone knew about Waterford/Mt Gravatt family books but no one replied. I can't see why we have so many in the Valley/Boonah/Tamborine areas and only one "Bethania the early years" in the Logan area. "REGISTER OF PUBLICANS" Apart from a few microfiche at our local library, I would like to find further details if possible. Can anyone tell me where - hopefully on the net - please? August GIESEMANN (David's G/Grandfather) was Licensee of Bridge Hotel, Gatton 1883/1884; Pioneer, William Street, Forest Hill 1891; Exchange Hotel, Laidley 1893/1895. Moses KERLIN (David's paternal Grandfather's twin brother) had the Waterford Hotel, Logan Valley in the early 1900s - haven't followed this one up yet. AND there is still this terrible space in the 1880s when young Henry BADGE (Father - Labourer) and three of the GIESEMANN children (father August - Storekeeper) went to Mt Gravatt State School. I would be most grateful for any advice or assistance. TIA Bev kerlindavidbev@ozemail.com.au Researching: CANTLE & BARNETT Gloucester England COURTNEY & DALTON Lambeth Camberwell England GIESEMANN & TIMM Niedersachsen Preussen HANSEN CHRISTENSEN VESTERGAARD etc Vends Herred Denmark HARRISON & WILLIS Co Armagh Northern Ireland KERLIN & BELL Co Down Northern Ireland YOUNGS & BARKER Norfolk England

Hi all New computer - lost emails receiving and sending - no addresses (only by SERIOUSLY hard research!!). Has anyone here not received stuff from me please? Haven't seen any "default" mail. Ta Bev

Dear Listers I wonder if anyone out there is researching this family and can confirm that this Catherine KUDER is the daughter of Christian KUDER and Mary Ann HINCHY as I believe. If this is correct I have a good deal of information on the ancestors of Christian KUDER that I am happy to pass on. Many thanks David Henry KADEL who married, on 14 Apr 1897 in Queensland, Australia, Catherine KUDER, born 16 Feb 1877, daughter of Christian Friedrich KUDER (DALAKER) and Mary Ann HINCHY. Children of Henry KADEL and Catherine KUDER were as follows: i Christopher Henry KADEL, born 28 Mar 1898 in Queensland, Australia. He married on 3 Jul 1926 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Elsie Charlotte HALL. ii Elizabeth Frances KADEL, born 17 Feb 1900 in Queensland, Australia. She married on 15 Mar 1930 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Walter George ROBERTS. iii Ernest KADEL, born 28 Jan 1902 in Queensland, Australia. He married on 27 May 1926 in Queensland, Australia Annie Rivena BOWMAN. iv Leveria May KADEL, born 23 May 1904 in Queensland, Australia. v Norman Wyllie KADEL, born 25 Feb 1906 in Queensland, Australia. He married on 22 Apr 1935 in Queensland, Australia Doris May BATTLEY. vi Frederich John KADEL, born 7 Apr 1908 in Queensland, Australia. He married on 19 Jul 1934 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Winifred May CRANE. vii Kathleen Mabel KADEL, born 27 May 1910 in Queensland, Australia. She married on 20 Aug 1931 in Queensland, Australia Ronald William MATCHETT. viii Gordon KADEL, born 21 May 1912 in Queensland, Australia. ix Leslie KADEL, born 19 Apr 1914 in Queensland, Australia. He married on 11 Jul 1931 in Queensland, Australia Kathleen Elizabeth BECK. x Arthur Otto KADEL, born 19 Mar 1917 in Queensland, Australia. xi Isabel Maud KADEL, born 15 Apr 1919 in Queensland, Australia.

Hi Don, Another program on free download is Legacy which enables you to do a great deal. Try http://www.legacyfamilytree.com The import and merge is very easy to do. Happy hunting, Jenny Jenny Myers - Arcadia Vale NSW on beautiful Lake Macquarie President Lake Macquarie F H Group NSW http://www.lmfhg.hl.com.au Member Wivelsfield History Study Group SSX Member Maitland F H Circle NSW Member Armidale F H Group NSW

Hi Don Welcome to the group. We might have some families in common. Lots of people started in Bethania & ended up on the Downs. I use Family Tree Maker & PAF5 (free from http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp ). Paf5 allows many combinations of partial gedcoms to be extracted...only limited by the imagination. With FTM, I create a new file then 'IMPORT' selected bits from the main file to create partial gedcoms. (the Bethania file is also in the order of 12,000 souls). Most programs can detect duplications if they are identical, otherwise it's a bit of a plod through the indexes. Please visit our website below. Collecting interconnected genealogies can be very rewarding and habit forming. (Don't ask me about the computer bits, my brother-in-law in Amsterdam does all that.) One thing I have had to learn is to limit the persons appearing on the internet to those born 70-80 years ago because of privacy concerns and possible exploitation by unscrupulous persons. Russell GREIG Brisbane, Qld, AUSTRALIA Researching Greig/Mackie, Aberdeen, Scotland and Holzheimer/Lindow, Schneider/Tappendorf & Tesch/Beutel, in Prussia Bethania Settlers List http://home.wanadoo.nl/wouter.busnach/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Don Gough [mailto:dongough@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2002 12:11 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Advice needed - New to the group Hi all I just joind this group and am interested in sharing whatever info I have but need some advice/suggestions. I have been documenting my ancestry for quite some years and in the process also documenting ALL related families not just direct ancestors/descendants. I presently have around 12,000 individuals on file including but not limited to the following families DEUBLE REITHMULLER BADKE SAAL FLEGLER TEDFORD GODFREY PITMAN POSTLE and others mentioned previously in this group. My questions are My genealogy program does not allow me to export text files, partial gedcoms or any other easy way of e-mailing information. What programs are available that will allow me to do this? What is the best way to make available all the information I have on file? Post a gedcom somewhere? Set up a website using a gedcom to html converter? Something else? Is there any reasonably easy method of merging gedcom files containing multiple duplications? On a more general note, I am just curious if anyone else likes to document all family connections not just the close ones. I have also made a summary chart (5 x A3 sheets) of some of the many cross-family connections that I have uncovered which I think really highlights how close all the early settlers in SE Qld (esp. Darling Downs) were. Kind regards & have a nice day Don Gough Brisbane, Australia ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi all I just joind this group and am interested in sharing whatever info I have but need some advice/suggestions. I have been documenting my ancestry for quite some years and in the process also documenting ALL related families not just direct ancestors/descendants. I presently have around 12,000 individuals on file including but not limited to the following families DEUBLE REITHMULLER BADKE SAAL FLEGLER TEDFORD GODFREY PITMAN POSTLE and others mentioned previously in this group. My questions are My genealogy program does not allow me to export text files, partial gedcoms or any other easy way of e-mailing information. What programs are available that will allow me to do this? What is the best way to make available all the information I have on file? Post a gedcom somewhere? Set up a website using a gedcom to html converter? Something else? Is there any reasonably easy method of merging gedcom files containing multiple duplications? On a more general note, I am just curious if anyone else likes to document all family connections not just the close ones. I have also made a summary chart (5 x A3 sheets) of some of the many cross-family connections that I have uncovered which I think really highlights how close all the early settlers in SE Qld (esp. Darling Downs) were. Kind regards & have a nice day Don Gough Brisbane, Australia

I am seeking further information on the NAUSCHUTZ family. They primarily lived in the Jandowae and Warra districts. They married into the NOTHDURFT, GERSEKOWSKI, WOLSKI, BANNISTER, KENNEDY, HOWDAN, GRAY/GREY, BOLT, LEWIS, NYSTROM and JEITZ families. I am happy to share my information with anyone who is also interested in them. Cheers Christine Nothdurft.

Dear Don, there are a number of genealogy programs out there on the market that might help you. Which one do you use? Some people on this list use Family Tree Maker. Others use Brother's Keeper, Personal Ancestral File, Generations to mention just a few. I think that the members of the list may contact you to give you their expertise on their particular programs. cheers, Beverly.

I'm looking for Michael Joseph and William James SCHMIDT or SMITH. William was b. 1864 N.S.W.Michael was b.1871 in Sandgate, Queensland.They were still alive in 1917 at the time of their Mother's death at Sandgate. Their parents were James SCHMIDT and Annie Harding. Sibling was Henry Thomas b.1867. I am stumped with these two. Cannot find a marriage or death for them. Any ideas and help would be appreciated. Lorraine.