There is a Virus Warning current Unfortunately Michele Waldron _ Berry's Message has had this current virus attached as Bugbear please all be careful sorry Michele if your message is for real. regards Laurelle Field researching Mohr family - Johann Heinrich, Bernard and Anna Matilda _Rosenthal Siding, Warwick Maryvale areas ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #188

Hi all Have the centre panel - between the list of messages and the reading material - showing. I don't know what it's called. The smartie attaches without the 'paper clip' showing at the side of the message, but you will see it in that centre panel. It is still 50.8kb, and Sue is right - most of the messages are snipped. It is not only using rootsweb - this is coming under friends' messages! Boy I've been hit hard today!! Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Hall" <judo@hypermax.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: RE: virus warning from admin > Lorrae > I've had heaps of emails sent to me today with part of the message snipped > off. They too have come from Rootsweb lists I don't subscribe to - TAS, > AYR, CD Books, GF etc. They arrive in my Inbox with the list name prefix at

Firstly, Thanks very much Kevin for your assistance. Secondly, are any of the following name familiar to my fellow listers as they had relations throughout the South Coast or what is now known as the Gold Coast region, Lockyer Valley, Toowoomba, Northern NSW & Murwillumbah. ******************** Mary Agusta KRAMM born: 6 Dec 1891 father: Reinhold KRAMM mother: Mary Agusta ZROPF, Ref: Qld BDM 1891/007587 ******************** Mary Agusta KRAMM died: 11 Mar 1922 father: Christian ZROPF mother: Wilhelmina HANDROECK, Ref: Qld BDM 1922/B036759 (B is for Brisbane) ******************** Frederick Wilhelm Reinhold KRAMM died: 2 Mar 1936 father: Carl KRAMM mother: Wilhelmine SCHULZ, Ref: Qld BDM 1936/B030795 ******************** Frederick Wilhelm Reinhold KRAMM lived at Suter St Southport. His father was Carl KRAMM, mother was Wilhelmine SCHULZ Birthplace : Konigswalde, Sterberg Germany He was in Australia 56 years Probably arrived in Aus about 1880 He was married in Germany, 1st marriage to Aguster Wilhelmine Maria ZROPF 2nd marriage to Rahner formerly ISENCKER Children: Mary Anna 55 Probably born 1881 (Known as Annie) Frank Alfred 53 of Tring Terrace Toombul Brisbane a Carpenter Probably born 1883 Frederick Otto 51 of Askgrove Road Brisbane Probably born 1885 (Known as Otto) Aguster Bertha 48 Probably born 1888 Mary Aguster 44 Probably born 1892 Clara Minnie Helena 41 Probably born 1895 (Known as Minnie) Married Walter (Wattie) McLaren and lived in Murwillumbah ******************** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 1/10/2002

----- Original Message ----- From: <hrs@hist.de> To: <Hannover-l@genealogy.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: [HN] Hanover Census Project 1852 > Dear readers, > > The Hanover Census Project that we announced in late May this > year, has been started officially at the German National > Genealogical Conference ("Deutscher Genealogentag") here in > Bremen nine days ago. > > Last weekend we uploaded the new website and want to invite you > to visit it regularly, learning about the progress of the Census > Project. We are sure that this is going to be a very important > source for Hanover research. > > English Version: > www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).html > German Version: > www.hist.de/edition-hist.html > > We surely would be very happy if you would support the project > after it is not supported by any academic or state money, but want > to emphasize that this is not a simple "commercial" mail. > You can learn a lot from the growing, free databases of the > "Hanover Location List" and the "Hanover Surname Index" without > paying anything for lookups or census booklets. Both databases > are small yet, but the amount of deciphered and edited parts of the > census will grow, so that this will be an important online help for > Hanover genealogy. > > Please let us know if you have any questions about the project. > > Best greetings from Bremen, > > Jens > > > Jens Mueller-Koppe > Historical Research Services (HRS) > www.hist.de > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > NEW: > Please visit our new website and > learn about the Hanover Census Project > Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm > Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm > Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 4842527 > Tel: +49 421 4842530 > > _______________________________________________ > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L@genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >

Lorrae I've had heaps of emails sent to me today with part of the message snipped off. They too have come from Rootsweb lists I don't subscribe to - TAS, AYR, CD Books, GF etc. They arrive in my Inbox with the list name prefix at the beginning of the subject line. Is it an error with Rootsweb, as I've seen mention of an inundation on other lists, or is it that a virus has taken the subject header and added itself to it? The messages I got didn't have attachments, but that could be because I have Zone Alarm installed, as well as McAfee. Regards Judy -----Original Message----- From: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2002 8:01 To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-D Digest V02 #188 << Message: ATT00020.eml (536 bytes) >> << Message: RE: paf files HELP (1.65 KB) >> << Message: List Admin warning (747 bytes) >> << Message: RE: List Admin warning (1.12 KB) >>

Sorry folks I did not mean that the emails were coming from the other lists, I simply meant that most of the emails I had received had included the prefix TAS or P-J but some did not, and other prefix's may be used as the virus spreads through the lists subscribers. Please take care and ensure your data is backed-up and your AV software is uptodate. Lorrae -----Original Message----- From: Tom & Lorrae Johnson [mailto:taj@uq.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2002 4:53 PM To: - Cross Flood Descendants; & German List Subject: List Admin warning Hi folks Another round of virus' are circulating and some of us do not have our Anti Virus (AV) software uptodate. The virus' cannot come directly from rootsweb, one of us opens the email and activates it, and the virus then is sent (unknowingly) to everyone in the address book, and so on. I have had some from trusted members of our lists, as well as several from folks on other lists, including TAS and P-J lists - (I am not subscribed to these lists). Please update your AV software now and protect yourself and other list members. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

Hi folks Another round of virus' are circulating and some of us do not have our Anti Virus (AV) software uptodate. The virus' cannot come directly from rootsweb, one of us opens the email and activates it, and the virus then is sent (unknowingly) to everyone in the address book, and so on. I have had some from trusted members of our lists, as well as several from folks on other lists, including TAS and P-J lists - (I am not subscribed to these lists). Please update your AV software now and protect yourself and other list members. Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

John, It is fairly easy to get the .paf extension recognised but that may not be the problem. If you go into 'Windows Explorer, Tools, Folder Options, FileTypes tab' you can scroll down and look for .paf. I assume from what you say it is not there. It is easy to add it but to do so you need to name a program for the open function which will be PAF. Normally when PAF is installed it will have done all that behind the scenes so it looks like your PAF install hasn't worked properly, if at all. I suggest going to 'Settings, Control Panel, Add/remove programs' and if PAF is in the list then click on it to remove it. Then do a fresh clean install. Yoo may want to download the latest version (5.2) first rather than continuing with an older version. After the install check that folder c:\Program Files\FamilySearch\PAF5 looks okay and move your .paf file into it if that is where you usually store such files. Start up PAF and check the 'Tools, Preferences, Folders tab' to see where it wants .paf files to be or amend accordingly. If you're still not getting anywhere may I suggest you email me more system details - off-list or it may get boring for everyone else! Tom -----Original Message----- From: js4815 [mailto:js4815@itconnect.net.au] Sent: 28 September 2002 09:20 To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: paf files HELP can any one help me ? I have just had a catostrophic failure of my O/S which has entailed a complete refurbishment of my sysyem from the ground up so to speak, but I thought that I would be safe with my family history as I had only about the day before made a back up and put it to C D, must have had a premonition , The only thing wrong is that I (cannot so far) play it back to reinstall it, as windows does not recognise the paf ext, and I cannot see that ext in folder options, and so far havent been able to open it, john spiers

Hi all another small request - SURNAMES should always be in block capitals - makes the emails so much quicker to scan for familiar names. Never type all the email in capitals nor all in lower case. SUBJECT line - make it interesting, short and precise names, dates and place are often great but not always appropriate. When busy people have many emails to read, they scan the subject looking for the ones of interest, and skipping the others. Yes, I know it is not nice that we do not read every one of your email, but most of us just scan though them looking for two things - "can this email help me and my research", and "can I help this person" Thank you all for keeping this list so active. Lorrae Johnson List Admin

-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Thomas [mailto:wendythomas@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2002 9:22 AM To: Tom & Lorrae Johnson Hullo Jane, I have Mina Resina BEITZEL married to Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav MULLER, 6 April 1910. Would Mina Resina be part of your family? Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav MULLER is a first cousin to both my grandparents. Cheerio, Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: kaybarry [mailto:kaybarry@tpg.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 8:48 PM > To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [Qld -SE-German] BEITZEL - DRAHEIM > > > Jane > > Iam interested in Beitzel-Draheim as I'm a descendent, my mother was Edna > Beitzel. > > Regards Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Schy" <janeb@satcom.net.au> > To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:02 AM > Subject: [Qld -SE-German] BEITZEL - DRAHEIM > > >> Dear Listers >> >> I have come across some information on August BEITZEL and J.W. DRAHEIM >> written in 1911. >> >> Please email me offline if you are interested. >> >> Jane

thank you Elizabeth I have put you suggestion into action ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" <aliens@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: paf files HELP > Dear John, > > Subscribe to the PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > > Ask the list for help there are lots of experts to assist you or contact me > off line and I will give you a name to contact at the LDS centre as he can > help you with PAF. > > Elizabeth > > At 06:20 PM 28/09/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >can any one help me ? I have just had a catostrophic failure of my O/S > >which has entailed a complete refurbishment of my sysyem from the ground > >up so to speak, but I thought that I would be safe with my family history > >as I had only about the day before made a back up and put it to C D, must > >have had a premonition , The only thing wrong is that I (cannot so far) > >play it back to reinstall it, as windows does not recognise the paf ext, > >and I cannot see that ext in folder options, and so far havent been able > >to open it, > >john spiers > > > > > > ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== > A List for the research for the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear John, Subscribe to the PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Ask the list for help there are lots of experts to assist you or contact me off line and I will give you a name to contact at the LDS centre as he can help you with PAF. Elizabeth At 06:20 PM 28/09/2002 +1000, you wrote: >can any one help me ? I have just had a catostrophic failure of my O/S >which has entailed a complete refurbishment of my sysyem from the ground >up so to speak, but I thought that I would be safe with my family history >as I had only about the day before made a back up and put it to C D, must >have had a premonition , The only thing wrong is that I (cannot so far) >play it back to reinstall it, as windows does not recognise the paf ext, >and I cannot see that ext in folder options, and so far havent been able >to open it, >john spiers >

Have you tried downloading PAF again and then importing the saved information into it? Elaine At 06:20 PM 28/09/2002 +1000, you wrote: >can any one help me ? I have just had a catostrophic failure of my O/S >which has entailed a complete refurbishment of my sysyem from the ground >up so to speak, but I thought that I would be safe with my family history >as I had only about the day before made a back up and put it to C D, must >have had a premonition , The only thing wrong is that I (cannot so far) >play it back to reinstall it, as windows does not recognise the paf ext, >and I cannot see that ext in folder options, and so far havent been able >to open it, >john spiers > > >==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== >A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to >South East Queensland, Australia. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

sorry I cant help BUT I have seen this query before and it seems that the people on the 'gen newbie' list deal with this stuff soo they may be able to help. with MY program I have to load my software..........and go INTO the new empty software package and then insert CD....go to file and a drop down says 'restore' and form there I can reload my saved CD stuff.......it HAS to be through the software package. don't know if this helps or confuses but good luck cheers Carol Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "js4815" <js4815@itconnect.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: paf files HELP > can any one help me ? I have just had a catostrophic failure of my O/S which has entailed a complete refurbishment of my sysyem from the ground up so to speak, but I thought that I would be safe with my family history as I had only about the day before made a back up and put it to C D, must have had a premonition , The only thing wrong is that I (cannot so far) play it back to reinstall it, as windows does not recognise the paf ext, and I cannot see that ext in folder options, and so far havent been able to open it, > john spiers > > > ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== > A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

-----Original Message----- From: kaybarry [mailto:kaybarry@tpg.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 8:48 PM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [Qld -SE-German] BEITZEL - DRAHEIM Jane Iam interested in Beitzel-Draheim as I'm a descendent, my mother was Edna Beitzel. Regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Schy" <janeb@satcom.net.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: [Qld -SE-German] BEITZEL - DRAHEIM > Dear Listers > > I have come across some information on August BEITZEL and J.W. DRAHEIM > written in 1911. > > Please email me offline if you are interested. > > Jane > > > ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== > A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

-----Original Message----- From: Chris Sichter [mailto:csichter@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 6:11 AM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} German Station Hello All, Just a bit more on German Station. >From "Under The Southern Cross" History of the Lutheran Church in Australia by A.Brauer 1956. "The Lutheran Church was not established in Queensland till the year 1856, when the first congregation was organised at Zions Hill (October 28)." "The Gossner Missionaries" "The group of missionaries and mission helpers that arrived in Moreton Bay in March 1838, were called Gossner missionaries because they were gathered or trained by the well known Pastor Gossner, who established his missionary training seminary in Berlin." "The Gossner mission party, consisting of three missionaries, C.Eipper, C W Schmidt and M Schneider (who died at the quarantine station in sydney) and ten missionary helpers, sailed from Greenock in Scotland on September 13, 1837 and arrived at Brisbane on March 30, 1838" "The first Pastor registered in Queenslandas a Lutheran Clergyman by the Regsitrar General was C F A Schirmeister, who organised the well known Andreas Congregation in Brisbane (Wickham Tce Brisbane) and from 1858 to 1861 he was the only one." "We must add however, that at least one of the Gossner mission helpers, Leopold Zillmann, is mentioned not many yaers later as an exceptionally active member of the Lutheran Church in Brisbane" "Although Lutherans were to be found in different parts of the state at an earlier date, it seems that no congregation was organised before 1856. This was the congregation at Zions Hill about seven miles north of Brisbane near the present day Nundah; but it appears to have only been a short lease of life. The Saint Andreas (Saint Andrews) congregation, however, organised in 1858 in Brisbane by Pastor Schirmeister, still exists. In 1860 a congregation was formed at Ipswich"

can any one help me ? I have just had a catostrophic failure of my O/S which has entailed a complete refurbishment of my sysyem from the ground up so to speak, but I thought that I would be safe with my family history as I had only about the day before made a back up and put it to C D, must have had a premonition , The only thing wrong is that I (cannot so far) play it back to reinstall it, as windows does not recognise the paf ext, and I cannot see that ext in folder options, and so far havent been able to open it, john spiers

Dear Patricia, I have just gone to your site on the Lammershagen 1878- Free Nominated passengers- surname KAINP is actually KAMP, KARUP is also KAMP They are all the one family. I have seen those names also in Pennie Mannderson book. It shows how easy discrepancies creep in. Eunice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin & Patricia Poole" <rppoole@gil.com.au> To: <AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: [Qld -SE-German] Shipping Lists. > Dear List, > > I have the Passenger Lists for the following ships on our web page at > www.home.gil.com.au/~rppoole > Wandrahm arrived Moreton Bay, January 1866. > Johann Cesar arrived Moreton Bay, February 1866. > Gauntlett arrived Brisbane, January 1877. > Humboldt arrived at Brisbane on the 10th of October 1877. > Indus arrived at Maryborough on the 26th February 1876. > Indus arrived at Rockhampton on the 2nd June 1877. > Lammershagen arrived in Brisbane on the 6th August 1878. > > > I also have the passenger list for the La Rochelle, arriving at Cape > Moreton, December 1865. Which I will be putting on our web page soon. > > Patricia. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== > A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/2002

Hello all, I saw Lorraes message re spelling variation. In searching for FLEGLER here are a few of the spelling variations FLAKEIAR FLAKELAR FLAKELER FLAKLER FLEKLER FLAKELAV FLAKLAR FLAKLER-FLAKELAR FLAKLERFLAKELAR FLAGLAR So the message is to always keep an open mind re the spelling of the surname that you are researching. Regards Judith matthews@tpg.com.au

For shipping movements and passenger lists, also check out this site http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ Margaret (researching SCHMIDT and BUHK - Logan Reserve and Beaudesert) -----Original Message----- From: Robin & Patricia Poole [mailto:rppoole@gil.com.au] Sent: Monday, 23 September 2002 6:51 AM To: AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Qld -SE-German] Shipping Lists. Dear List, I have the Passenger Lists for the following ships on our web page at www.home.gil.com.au/~rppoole Wandrahm arrived Moreton Bay, January 1866. Johann Cesar arrived Moreton Bay, February 1866. Gauntlett arrived Brisbane, January 1877. Humboldt arrived at Brisbane on the 10th of October 1877. Indus arrived at Maryborough on the 26th February 1876. Indus arrived at Rockhampton on the 2nd June 1877. Lammershagen arrived in Brisbane on the 6th August 1878. I also have the passenger list for the La Rochelle, arriving at Cape Moreton, December 1865. Which I will be putting on our web page soon. Patricia. ==== AUS-QLD-SE-Germans Mailing List ==== A List for the research of the descendants of the Germans who migrated to South East Queensland, Australia. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237